Cutting corners.

[Qwertydop]

Hello! I've made a pc part list to upgrade my pc and i'm over my budget. My budget is 480$ and my total is 520$. Any suggestions? 

PCPartPicker Part List

Type	Item	Price
CPU	AMD Ryzen 3 3200G 3.6 GHz Quad-Core Processor	$99.99 @ B&H
Motherboard	ASRock B450M PRO4 Micro ATX AM4 Motherboard	$82.99 @ Newegg
Memory	G.Skill Aegis 16 GB (2 x 8 GB) DDR4-2133 CL15 Memory	$51.99 @ Newegg
Storage	Mushkin Enhanced Helix-L 250 GB M.2-2280 NVME Solid State Drive	$39.99 @ Newegg
Storage	Western Digital Caviar Blue 1 TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive	$37.19 @ Amazon
Video Card	Gigabyte GeForce GTX 1650 SUPER 4 GB OC Video Card	$159.99 @ Best Buy
Power Supply	Thermaltake Smart 500 W 80+ Certified ATX Power Supply	$47.99 @ Amazon
	Prices include shipping, taxes, rebates, and discounts
	Total	$520.13
	Generated by PCPartPicker 2020-08-23 10:58 EDT-0400

 

 

[WereCatf]

4 minutes ago, Qwertydop said:

Any suggestions?

Why are you buying a CPU with an iGPU and also a separate GPU? That's a waste of money.

[OU812]

Could just buy one 8 gig stick of ram and add the second later on when you have the money. Could ditch the NVME.

[Mateyyy]

What do you plan on doing with the system? Gaming, streaming, video editing, etc.?

[Qwertydop]

Just now, Mateyyy said:

What do you plan on doing with the system? Gaming, streaming, video editing, etc.?

gaming

 

 

[Mateyyy]

2 minutes ago, Qwertydop said:

gaming

PCPartPicker Part List

Type	Item	Price
CPU	AMD Ryzen 3 3100 3.6 GHz Quad-Core Processor	$104.99 @ Newegg
Motherboard	ASRock B450M PRO4 Micro ATX AM4 Motherboard	$82.99 @ Newegg
Memory	OLOy 16 GB (2 x 8 GB) DDR4-3200 CL16 Memory	$52.99 @ Newegg
Storage	Western Digital Blue 500 GB 2.5" Solid State Drive	$56.95 @ Amazon
Power Supply	SeaSonic S12III 550 W 80+ Bronze Certified ATX Power Supply	$64.98 @ Newegg
	Prices include shipping, taxes, rebates, and discounts
	Total	$362.90
	Generated by PCPartPicker 2020-08-23 11:07 EDT-0400

^ And toss in a used RX 580 or GTX 1060 6GB. Or, if you want to go with only new parts, RX 570.

 

The 3100 is only $5 more than the 3200G and it's a better CPU (you don't need the iGPU anyway), this 3200MHz CL16 kit is $1 more, the SSD you picked is DRAM-less and the PSU you picked is trash, hence the differences in the list above.

[Qwertydop]

Just now, Mateyyy said:

PCPartPicker Part List

Type	Item	Price
CPU	AMD Ryzen 3 3100 3.6 GHz Quad-Core Processor	$104.99 @ Newegg
Motherboard	ASRock B450M PRO4 Micro ATX AM4 Motherboard	$82.99 @ Newegg
Memory	OLOy 16 GB (2 x 8 GB) DDR4-3200 CL16 Memory	$52.99 @ Newegg
Storage	Western Digital Blue 500 GB 2.5" Solid State Drive	$56.95 @ Amazon
Power Supply	SeaSonic S12III 550 W 80+ Bronze Certified ATX Power Supply	$64.98 @ Newegg
	Prices include shipping, taxes, rebates, and discounts
	Total	$362.90
	Generated by PCPartPicker 2020-08-23 11:07 EDT-0400

And toss in a used RX 580 or GTX 1060 6GB. Or, if you want to go with only new parts, RX 570.

The 3100 is only $5 more than the 3200G and it's a better CPU (you don't need the iGPU anyway), this 3200MHz CL16 kit is $1 more, the SSD you picked is DRAM-less and the PSU you picked is trash, hence the differences in the list above.

ok thx

[dfsgsfa]

3200g > 3100x, faster but no igpu, same cost

2133mhz > 3000 aegis ram, not worth cut corner here

ssd > mx500 sata, yes its $10 more but it has dram, also avoid qlc ssd, a good sata deive is better than m.2 dramless / qlc

gtx1650 > USED rx570, same perf but it only costs $70 or less

[Mateyyy]

1 minute ago, dfsgsfa said:

gtx1650 > USED rx570, same perf but it only costs $70 or less

To be fair, OP did pick a 1650 Super, not a 1650. But regardless, fitting a $160 GPU in there is kind of tight without dumping on the motherboard/PSU/storage/etc.

 

2 minutes ago, Alex Ushigome said:

Unless you're planning to upgrade parts in the future, you don't need a 550W PSU. The 3200G is rated for 65w, and 1650S is 100w, and these are their max. 

https://pcpartpicker.com/product/Zbkj4D/thermaltake-smart-series-430-w-80-certified-atx-power-supply-ps-spd-0430npcwus-w

The Thermaltake Smart is trash and should be avoided when there are actually half decent units out there for just slightly more.

[dfsgsfa]

3 minutes ago, Mateyyy said:

To be fair, OP did pick a 1650 Super, not a 1650. But regardless

in gpu world, +/- 20% perf translates to very little fps gain

i have rx570 which gives 50 fps on high settings for most aaa games, +20% is just 60 fps in this case , which can also be acheived by lower a few settings

[Chris Pratt]

11 minutes ago, Alex Ushigome said:

Unless you're planning to upgrade parts in the future, you don't need a 550W PSU. The 3200G is rated for 65w, and 1650S is 100w, and these are their max. 

 

https://pcpartpicker.com/product/Zbkj4D/thermaltake-smart-series-430-w-80-certified-atx-power-supply-ps-spd-0430npcwus-w

That's not necessarily true. TDP has nothing to do with power consumption. The 3200G actually does skew pretty close to its rated TDP at 68W give or take, but the 1650 super can draw 180W under load. TDP is a rough metric for cooling requirements (and not very good at that even), but tells you virtually nothing about power requirements.

[Mateyyy]

9 minutes ago, dfsgsfa said:

in gpu world, +/- 20% perf translates to very little fps gain

i have rx570 which gives 50 fps on high settings for most aaa games, +20% is just 60 fps in this case , which can also be acheived by lower a few settings

Well to me 60FPS would be acceptable, 50FPS not so much. 

20% is a massive difference when we're talking about low to mid-range GPUs, and the RX 570 is not in the same class as the 1650 Super, 580 or 5500XT.

 

10 minutes ago, Alex Ushigome said:

I sent it before reloading the page, so I didn't see the comment. But yes, it's better to get a decent PSU, but they only really need a low power one, so they could cut a few dollars off and get the same Seasonic, lower wattage?

I went with the 550W S12III simply because that's the cheapest decent PSU available. Normally at that price point I'd go for something else but you've got to work with what's available locally for OP at the minute, and stock is still not what it used to be like in the PSU market.

[Intergalacticbits]

The thing that jumps out at me is your trying to cut the price by $40.00 and you M.2 is about that $40.00

Just me but I would upgrade that later especially if you really want to keep your CPU choice.

Some people still say that for the most part 8GB of memory is still just fine for most game play.

Also I think the tech youtubers have been saying that memory prices are about to fall soon.

So I don't know maybe in a month or so you can get the 16GB even cheaper?

 

Also Linus did say on one of his videos that you can get the fattydove ssd for $20.00  

Just trying to be funny. My budget limitations bum me out at times too.

 

Though really you could probably get the fattydove. Linus said on that video that it was good for the money.

[dfsgsfa]

11 minutes ago, Mateyyy said:

50FPS not so much. 

20% is a massive difference when we're talking about low to mid-range GPUs, and the RX 570 is not in the same class as the 1650 Super, 580 or 5500XT.

this is just a rough example for easy calculation

in fact i have vsync on all the way, with mixed settings

here is the review of 1650 super, in short avg 17 game fps is rx570 ~ 62 fps vs 1650s ~69 fps 

i consider both cards as same tier, 11% diff only

 

 

 

[Mateyyy]

18 minutes ago, dfsgsfa said:

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So there's no point in buying an RX 580 when the 570 is "the same tier"?

[dfsgsfa]

8 minutes ago, Mateyyy said:

no point in buying an RX 580 when the 570 is "the same tier"?

if op can find one for a good price, why not

but since op has tight budget, i find used 570 vs 580is like $70 vs $100

for $30 more, not worth it.

 

and finally , yes imo they are still the same tier, as said before the gap can easily can compensate by a few graphic setting tweaks,

not to mention overclock can further closen up the gap 

for my rx570, i oc from 1340 to 1425mhz giving ~10% more fps

[Mateyyy]

4 minutes ago, dfsgsfa said:

if op can find one for a good price, why not

but since op has tight budget, i find used 570 vs 580is like $70 vs $100

for $30 more, not worth it.

I really don't get your logic. 

So there's no point in buying the 580 instead of the 570, because the 570 is cheaper so the fact that it's slower doesn't matter? Then why buy a 1660 when the 580 is cheaper? Or why buy a 1660 Super when the 1660 is cheaper? Or why buy a 2070 Super when a 2060 Super is cheaper? So on and so forth.

 

If the 580 fits the budget, there is zero reason to go with a 570 instead.

4 minutes ago, dfsgsfa said:

and finally , yes imo they are still the same tier, as said before the gap can easily can compensate by a few graphic setting tweaks,

not to mention overclock can further closen up the gap 

for my rx570, i oc from 1340 to 1425mhz giving ~10% more fps

And you can tweak the settings and overclock the better GPU too, and it'll still be faster. 

[dfsgsfa]

7 minutes ago, Mateyyy said:

the 580 instead of the 570, because the 570 is cheaper so the fact that it's slower doesn't matter?

have you heard of cost per frame? this is really the case here, rx570 wins here  especially when the perf diff is this small. after all this all depends on how cheap op can find them

in tight budget , its really more important to spare any extra penny on other better upgrade, worth it or not? again all depends on buyer ,OP

[Mateyyy]

Just now, dfsgsfa said:

in tight budget , its really more important to spare any extra penny on other better upgrade, worth it or not? again all depends on buyer ,OP

OP's after gaming performance. Spending money on a fancier case or an aftermarket CPU cooler isn't going to bring any extra frames - a better GPU will.