Did EVGA stop making motherboards?

[StrawberryShortCakes]

I used to wish I could afford the EVGA Z97 Stinger - Wi-Fi, 

Now I can't find any EVGA AM4 boards. 

Did EVGA quit the motherboard game? 

[Zando_]

Nope. They only make Intel platform ones, haven't made anything for the AM platform since uh... AM2+ or something like that, damn good while ago. 

[Mateyyy]

They only do boards for Intel, mostly high-end models, or at least those are the ones that are actually noteworthy (particularly the Dark series).

[svmlegacy]

2 minutes ago, StrawberryShortCakes said:

I used to wish I could afford the EVGA Z97 Stinger - Wi-Fi, 

Now I can't find any EVGA AM4 boards. 

Did EVGA quit the motherboard game? 

https://www.evga.com/products/productlist.aspx?type=1

[Zando_]

1 minute ago, BlueScope819 said:

Any idea why that might be?

I haven't looked to hard into it, I think it was a falling out with AMD over some AIB and such policies back in the day, plus EVGA has a pretty heavy OC/bench records focus and the Ryzen platform doesn't do the OC part that well, and FX OCed to stupid numbers but performed terribly. 

[StrawberryShortCakes]

3 minutes ago, Zando Bob said:

Nope. They only make Intel platform ones, haven't made anything for the AM platform since uh... AM2+ or something like that, damn good while ago. 

Their stingers were the coolest looking

2 minutes ago, Mateyyy said:

They only do boards for Intel, particularly high-end models.

Aw. 

2 minutes ago, svmlegacy said:

https://www.evga.com/products/productlist.aspx?type=1

Get that H shit away from me. 

EVGA...... AM4 me need.... "Stinger"!!!! 

. 

[mariushm]

3 minutes ago, BlueScope819 said:

Any idea why that might be?

Probably because of poor offerings from AMD at that time (fx series processors and others) compared to Intel, and being exclusive Intel gives some companies discounts and preferential treatment, so it was probably more profitable for evga to be lntel only

[Zando_]

4 minutes ago, mariushm said:

Probably because of poor offerings from AMD at that time (fx series processors and others) compared to Intel, and being exclusive Intel gives some companies discounts and preferential treatment, so it was probably more profitable for evga to be lntel only

^^ Yep. After some more forum sniffing, EVGA is an Intel and Nvidia partner, and it wouldn't be financially viable to dump those partnerships to make AMD stuff. A lot of the hardcore EVGA guys are also hardcore Intel/Nvidia people too, so they wouldn't really be appealing to the people buying their stuff either. That + the rumors I mentioned earlier, that AMD snubbed them or something at some point. So a combo of already being a partner with other companies + possibly disliking AMD anyways + AMD's offerings really don't fit EVGA's ethos. 

[StrawberryShortCakes]

3 minutes ago, Zando Bob said:

I haven't looked to hard into it, I think it was a falling out with AMD over some AIB and such policies back in the day, plus EVGA has a pretty heavy OC/bench records focus and the Ryzen platform doesn't do the OC part that well, and FX OCed to stupid numbers but performed terribly. 

My sister's friend "Brandon Wong" the guy that oced my system for me used to have a FX series cpu. 

It was an FX-8350 I think, I was shocked when he said it hit 4.8ghz tho he said his pc was overpowering his air conditioning in his room. 

[StrawberryShortCakes]

8 minutes ago, Zando Bob said:

^^ Yep. After some more forum sniffing, EVGA is an Intel and Nvidia partner, and it wouldn't be financially viable to dump those partnerships to make AMD stuff. A lot of the hardcore EVGA guys are also hardcore Intel/Nvidia people too, so they wouldn't really be appealing to the people buying their stuff either. That + the rumors I mentioned earlier, that AMD snubbed them or something at some point. So a combo of already being a partner with other companies + possibly disliking AMD anyways + AMD's offerings really don't fit EVGA's ethos. 

I see, *hides in a corner digging a hole* *chants a curse*  burn intel burn, burn nvidia burn * puts on plastic horns on head *

 

[Zando_]

1 minute ago, StrawberryShortCakes said:

My sister's friend "Brandon Wong" the guy that oced my system for me used to have a FX series cpu. 

It was an FX-8350 I think, I was shocked when he said it hit 4.8ghz tho he said his pc was overpowering his air conditioning in his room. 

Yeah, they set a world record with an FX chip too, 8.4GHz on liquid helium. They clocked insanely well, but also got blasted by a cheap locked i5 in games so yeah ouch. EVGA sets themselves up as the more premium XOC/Gamer brand, and AMD stuff hasn't done that as well as Intel and Nvidia have. Zen 2 finally competes on the CPU end performance wise, but they don't clock all that well, and at the top end are still behind Intel in games. AMD's GPUs just... don't even compete at all in the high end. The highest they got was to the level of a 1080 Ti, but then the 2080 stomped that, and the 2070 Super and 2080 Super that came later stomped it further. AMD does price/performance stuff a lot better, but that's not really EVGA's market. 

[StrawberryShortCakes]

11 minutes ago, Zando Bob said:

^^ Yep. After some more forum sniffing, EVGA is an Intel and Nvidia partner, and it wouldn't be financially viable to dump those partnerships to make AMD stuff. A lot of the hardcore EVGA guys are also hardcore Intel/Nvidia people too, so they wouldn't really be appealing to the people buying their stuff either. That + the rumors I mentioned earlier, that AMD snubbed them or something at some point. So a combo of already being a partner with other companies + possibly disliking AMD anyways + AMD's offerings really don't fit EVGA's ethos. 

Well no more EVGA stuff then oh well. 

[Zando_]

Just now, StrawberryShortCakes said:

Well no more EVGA stuff then oh well. 

If you stick with AMD stuff then yeah. 

 

[StrawberryShortCakes]

2 minutes ago, Zando Bob said:

Yeah, they set a world record with an FX chip too, 8.4GHz on liquid helium. They clocked insanely well, but also got blasted by a cheap locked i5 in games so yeah ouch. EVGA sets themselves up as the more premium XOC/Gamer brand, and AMD stuff hasn't done that as well as Intel and Nvidia have. Zen 2 finally competes on the CPU end performance wise, but they don't clock all that well, and at the top end are still behind Intel in games. AMD's GPUs just... don't even compete at all in the high end. The highest they got was to the level of a 1080 Ti, but then the 2080 stomped that, and the 2070 Super and 2080 Super that came later stomped it further. AMD does price/performance stuff a lot better, but that's not really EVGA's market. 

But, but, but.... AMD smacks intel around in server stuff "EPYC" and AMD's GPU's open the master race to new comers at a better price to performance. 

[gloop]

6 minutes ago, StrawberryShortCakes said:

But, but, but.... AMD smacks intel around in server stuff "EPYC" and AMD's GPU's open the master race to new comers at a better price to performance. 

Not sure are you meaning to talk about Threadripper here as I think Intel is still the main CPU manufacturer in the server spaces. 
 

As for the GPUs, while they may have good P/P, if you want the best performance and the best overclocking then it’s nVidia. 

[Zando_]

Just now, StrawberryShortCakes said:

But, but, but.... AMD smacks intel around in server stuff "EPYC" and AMD's GPU's open the master race to new comers at a better price to performance. 

EVGA doesn't make server stuff. And again they have an emphasis on OC + performance. AMD GPUs don't exist at the top end, highest they have out right now is the 5700XT, which is a bit behind a 2070 Super. Nvidia has the 2080, 2080 Super, and 2080 Ti on top of that. Big Navi is supposed to compete with a 2080 Ti, but even if that comes to desktop cards (currently it's in the Xbox Series X and probably the PS5 too AFAIK), by the time it's out the Nvidia 3000 series or whatever they decide to name them will be released. It'll be the RVII over again lol. RVII could match or beat a 1080 Ti, but they released it just as Nvidia dropped the 2000 series, and basically obliterated any claim to a top spec card AMD had, literally as it launched. Before all the driver clusterfuckery (which has pushed me completely away from AMD cards) they were fun (I've had a 570, 480, Vega FE, and Radeon VII), but they haven't competed on the high end and don't fit the market EVGA shoots for. 

So again, given that they're partners with Intel and Nvidia, it wouldn't make sense to drop that for a product that performs worse in stuff EVGA shoots for, while also being a platform a lot of their fans really dislike. 

[StrawberryShortCakes]

2 minutes ago, gloop said:

Not sure are you meaning to talk about Threadripper here as I think Intel is still the main CPU manufacturer in the server spaces. 
 

As for the GPUs, while they may have good P/P, if you want the best performance and the best overclocking then it’s nVidia. 

Yup threadripper,

I guess but because of AMD my computer club gained a member and was able to build an $800sgd ($450)usd system and play his new favorite game (command and conquer remastered) 

[aisle9]

51 minutes ago, BlueScope819 said:

Any idea why that might be?

They probably weren't selling enough of them to justify the expense.

[StrawberryShortCakes]

5 minutes ago, Zando Bob said:

EVGA doesn't make server stuff. And again they have an emphasis on OC + performance. AMD GPUs don't exist at the top end, highest they have out right now is the 5700XT, which is a bit behind a 2070 Super. Nvidia has the 2080, 2080 Super, and 2080 Ti on top of that. Big Navi is supposed to compete with a 2080 Ti, but even if that comes to desktop cards (currently it's in the Xbox Series X and probably the PS5 too AFAIK), by the time it's out the Nvidia 3000 series or whatever they decide to name them will be released. It'll be the RVII over again lol. RVII could match or beat a 1080 Ti, but they released it just as Nvidia dropped the 2000 series, and basically obliterated any claim to a top spec card AMD had, literally as it launched. Before all the driver clusterfuckery (which has pushed me completely away from AMD cards) they were fun (I've had a 570, 480, Vega FE, and Radeon VII), but they haven't competed on the high end and don't fit the market EVGA shoots for. 

So again, given that they're partners with Intel and Nvidia, it wouldn't make sense to drop that for a product that performs worse in stuff EVGA shoots for, while also being a platform a lot of their fans really dislike. 

Actually I get the feeling AMD is waiting for the RTX 3000s I get the feeling they are acting "duhoh big navi can only do this" then when nvidia reveals their hand and "oh big navi has a new bios update.... Oh look now it can do that." 5600xt all over again..... 

 

 

[Zando_]

Just now, StrawberryShortCakes said:

Actually I get the feeling AMD is waiting for the RTX 3000s I get the feeling they are acting "duhoh big navi can only do this" then when nvidia reveals their hand and "oh big navi has a new bios update.... Oh look now it can do that." 5600xt all over again..... 

Which is bad. The 5600 XT thing was dumb, not to the level of clusterfuckery the motherboard situation is at now (jesus trying to sort out what board with what BIOS version supports what CPU and what BIOS version can be downgraded if other CPUs need to be supported or which ones you're stuck with if you board ships with it is not easy at all). If they do that with big navi, it'll be a flop. Impressions are made the instant the NDA lifts and benches start pouring in. If they drop a BIOS update that makes it match a 3080 Ti a month later, too late. Most people already watched the benches, saw Big Navi get blasted, and bought the Nvidia card. Even people that didn't buy a card yet are likely to discount the GPU based off its launch benches since those are the most well known ones. 

For AMD to succeed in the high end GPU space, they need to 1) release a card that, at launch, competes with Nvidia's current 1st or 2nd best card, matching or beating them at the same or a lower price. And 2), get a grip on drivers, it's really fuckin rough when you pay $700 for a card only to have it crippled by constant blackscreens (I got them with my RVII long after they were "fixed"). Competing on features would help a lot too, as of yet they don't have a good answer to ray-tracing (and a lot of the ray-tracing titles are using Nvidia's RTX tech, not an open standard) or Nvidia's NVENC encoders. Their version of DLSS is pretty competitive in some scenarios, but AFAIK DLSS 2.0 still beats it by a good bit. And Boost or whatever (the dropping the res when you move the mouse one) isn't really that practical and feels like it was just thrown in. Which compounds the issue because it feels like they threw in a bunch of half-assed features to try and compete with the RTX lineup, at the expense of actual stable drivers. 

AMD GPUs so far sit in the "hey they're funky but the pure fps/$ is insane" category, and the Radeon team has a lot of work to do if they want to compete in the high end for gaming. Vega cards have been pretty damn good for a lot of prosumers, but usually only specific use cases and softwares, and according to a friend who actually works with 3D stuff and machine learning, Nvidia is solidly in the lead support-wise there too. 

AMD's Radeon team needs to pull an FX vs Ryzen revive but with the GPUs. They're getting closer, but they're still in the funky Zen/Zen+ stage with a lot of teething issues. There's a smaller community that hardcore loves their current cards, but they really aren't too appealing in the mainstream unless you're on a tight budget. 

 

1 minute ago, BlueScope819 said:

Yeah there doesn't seem to be many leaks surrounding Big Navi but I think it would be fun if they just embraced the leaks for once and took a cell phone shot of the cooler or whatever just to drum up interest

That would be a solid tactic for sure. Leaks do help if people already lean towards your side, they'll likely wait longer before making a purchase, just to see if you deliver. But it's also risky, since if you don't deliver on that hype you get what happened with Vega. 

[StrawberryShortCakes]

4 minutes ago, BlueScope819 said:

Yeah there doesn't seem to be many leaks surrounding Big Navi but I think it would be fun if they just embraced the leaks for once and took a cell phone shot of the cooler or whatever just to drum up interest

If only they would, maybe then nvidia would take AMD a little bit more seriously. 

[Mateyyy]

15 minutes ago, StrawberryShortCakes said:

Actually I get the feeling AMD is waiting for the RTX 3000s I get the feeling they are acting "duhoh big navi can only do this" then when nvidia reveals their hand and "oh big navi has a new bios update.... Oh look now it can do that." 5600xt all over again..... 

Either that or drop the prices before launch, like what happened with the RX 5700 series.

 

This is why I also think the whole "350W TDP" rumours are bogus - Nvidia is handily beating AMD's 7nm on 12nm, both in terms of performance and in terms of power efficiency. I just don't see Radeon suddenly revolutionising their architecture to beat or even be on par with Nvidia's 7nm top end.

[StrawberryShortCakes]

1 minute ago, Mateyyy said:

Either that or drop the prices before launch, like what happened with the RX 5700 series.

 

This is why I also think the whole "350W TDP" rumours are bogus - Nvidia is handily beating AMD's 7nm on 12nm, both in terms of performance and in terms of power efficiency. I just don't see Radeon suddenly revolutionising their architecture to beat or even be on par with Nvidia's 7nm top end.

Agreed, but still I am a cheap bastard lol. RX5700 one bios flash later weee free rx 5700xt.