1080 ti or 20 series upgrade path?

[Snowarch]

stuck at driver 418 nvidia, so 30 series cards aren't an option.

 

i figure when the 30 series comes out, 20 and 1080 ti will get cheaper.

 

currently have a p104 getting a 2060 score in opengl heaven benchmark, 1080p fullscreen ultra preset, and 60-ish fps in shadow of the tombraider highest preset + aa. 

 

the p104's stock speed is 1887mhz, but it overclocks stable to 2100mhz. 5005 vram speed stock.

 

since i'm on linux, and no games get the rtx ported and wine likely doesn't support the rtx, i'm on the fence.

20 series, unless its the 2080 ti, have less shader cores aka non rtx ones, but i hear they are faster vram so i din't know if itll outspeed in non-rtx games. 

 

so whats a better upgrade path? there could be a lot im wrong about, and the 20 series is better only on direct x, but worse for linux or something else. i can use driver 430 for non-steam games. only steam itself is bugged on that  driver. 

 

 

 

[Shimejii]

honestly the 2000 series was a major dissapointment. Barely improved much upon pascal. Hopefully the 3000 series brings a lot more changes.

[igormp]

12 minutes ago, Snowarch said:

20 series, unless its the 2080 ti, have less shader cores aka non rtx ones

Where did you get that from? All turing cards have more shading units than their previous pascal equivalent.

 

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so whats a better upgrade path? there could be a lot im wrong about, and the 20 series is better only on direct x, but worse for linux or something else. i can use driver 430 for non-steam games. only steam itself is bugged on that  driver. 

I'm a linux user and use my 2060S without any problems. I'm on driver 440.82 and steam works just fine.

[drkstorm1]

If your at 1080p those cards overkill imo. Don't know about rtx and lynix but personally rtx don't excite me at least current gen. Really most of the scenes i've seen comparing rtx vs non i liked the image from the non better:/

I'd consider a 5700xt unless you can score a good deal on a used 1080ti. Saw some used 1080ti for < 500 us$ on ebay recently.

[D13H4RD]

You shouldn't really buy the RTX 20 series for its headline feature; RTX. While it is getting better, it is still a significant performance deficit and game support is still limited. RTX 30 is rumored to be a major improvement in this arena, so if you're after RT, you should probs wait. DLSS 2.0 is probably the biggest "must have" feature Turing has right now, but it has the same issue of limited implementation. It's a fantastic feature but it's under-implemented (it didn't help that DLSS 1.0 was over-promised at launch and really under-delivered).

 

With all that said, the 1080 Ti has been holding in value quite well, about the same price as some of the lower-priced 2070 Super SKUs second hand. They're roughly identical in performance though the 1080 Ti may perform better in titles that take full advantage of its large shader count, though the 2070 Super has the advantage of it being brand-new with out-of-the-box warranty.

 

Turing has better raw compute performance especially when Tensor is utilized (though the 1080 Ti's raw floating point operation on its CUDA cores is better), so that may factor into your decision for Linux.

[Snowarch]

@igormp

 

sadly, i am not skilled to disable x during that part of nvidia's installer from website, so the ppa is limited to 418. 430 from ppa is missing the 32 bit librearies of opengl, so steam can't launch, even tho 64 bit librearies work as minecraft does, and gog games using wine direct x to opengl work on 430.

 

because of this driver limitation, i cannot even use a 30 series card when it comes. 

 

@D13H4RD

and yes i've seen sub 500$ 1080 tis as well. the 1080 ti has more shader cores than the 2080 normal, but due to the driver limitation 30 is not an option, just waiting so itll make the others cheaper.

 

 

with the shadow of the tombraider not getting ported raytrace or sli features, its unlikely linux will get the feature native to games as of now, but that could change by the time 30 comes so is it worth the 2080 ti or 1080 ti upgrade path? the reason i bring up the driver limitation is the dlss may not be on 418.

 

and is 2.1ghz a good oc speed for a p104 with msi armor cooler, and max stress temps below 70 degrees? i'd overclock higher, but any more freezes my entire pc, despite the temps. must be a weak chip or prime limitation. 

 

 

 

[Xkillerpn]

If you want something cheap with warraty and that performs very well get a 5700xt nitro+ or red devil

[Snowarch]

my current card is close to a 1070 right now. i think. anyone have a normal one to compare opengl, 1080p benchmark with? id ask in a benchmarking thread, but most everyone leaves the renderer on direct x so its not comparable. 

[Nena Trinity]

Doesn't AMD have the better open sauce drivers? 5700xt not supported on Linux yet or is its drivers even worse than its state on the Windows side? 

[Snowarch]

i've never owned an amd gpu, so wouldn't know. gwe overclock utility + nvidia x settings are what i use. also its the installer that is hard if installing from non-ppa for most current drivers. using them is easy.

just looked. 5700xt is about same price as 1080 ti.

@Nena360

[Nena Trinity]

6 minutes ago, Snowarch said:

i've never owned an amd gpu, so wouldn't know. gwe overclock utility + nvidia x settings are what i use. also its the installer that is hard if installing from non-ppa for most current drivers. using them is easy.

just looked. 5700xt is about same price as 1080 ti.

@Nena360

I havnt used Linux since Ubuntu fucked up with iommu making my motherboard incompatible with latest Ubuntu... Tried Android x86 Vega 64 was flawless there not sure that transelate to Ubuntu or anything based on it...

[Haro]

Just now, Nena360 said:

Android x86

Android on x86 

That's a thing ?

[Nena Trinity]

3 minutes ago, TofuHaroto said:

Android on x86 

That's a thing ?

It's unstable and beta, works best with desktop my laptop hav been getting bootloop and had to re install 3 times now... Mainly bugs when closing the screen or it going to sleep dunno why.

[Haro]

Just now, Nena360 said:

It's unstable and beta, works best with desktop my laptop hav been getting bootloop and had to re install 3 times now... Mainly bugs when closing the screen or it going to sleep dunno why.

Yea that's what I would expect out of an x86 version of android

[Nena Trinity]

46 minutes ago, TofuHaroto said:

Yea that's what I would expect out of an x86 version of android

If it just worked it would be my fave Linux distro tough.

[igormp]

3 hours ago, Snowarch said:

@igormp

 

sadly, i am not skilled to disable x during that part of nvidia's installer from website, so the ppa is limited to 418. 430 from ppa is missing the 32 bit librearies of opengl, so steam can't launch, even tho 64 bit librearies work as minecraft does, and gog games using wine direct x to opengl work on 430.

 

because of this driver limitation, i cannot even use a 30 series card when it comes. 

I installed mine straight from the official repos of my distro though, no need to download anything from nvidia's website, and everything works just fine.

 

2 hours ago, Snowarch said:

i've never owned an amd gpu, so wouldn't know. gwe overclock utility + nvidia x settings are what i use. also its the installer that is hard if installing from non-ppa for most current drivers. using them is easy.

just looked. 5700xt is about same price as 1080 ti.

AMD has AMDGPU drivers which are already built in into the kernel.

 

3 hours ago, Snowarch said:

my current card is close to a 1070 right now. i think. anyone have a normal one to compare opengl, 1080p benchmark with? id ask in a benchmarking thread, but most everyone leaves the renderer on direct x so its not comparable. 

Have my 2060S for reference (heavily throttled by temps and the CPU).

[Snowarch]

9 hours ago, igormp said:

I installed mine straight from the official repos of my distro though, no need to download anything from nvidia's website, and everything works just fine.

 

AMD has AMDGPU drivers which are already built in into the kernel.

 

Have my 2060S for reference (heavily throttled by temps and the CPU).

ohh that explains it. using ubuntu 16.04, and you're on arch which being rolling release, would force you to get latest drivers withour web installer. ppa doesn't want to give 440 from distro.

 

my pc has 4.0 clock instead of 4.2, speed, but same 6 cores as well, i don't understand how your cpu is throttleing the 2060. your score is about 219 points lower than mine, with an overclock. maybe a little more since i changed resolution. will screenshot later.

[Snowarch]

11 hours ago, Nena360 said:

If it just worked it would be my fave Linux distro tough.

Android x86 works well in a virtual box vm, anbox works well on ubuntu 16.04  with arm script, but you need a strong gpu, but it gave my laptop wifi issues. android studio ran no apps once emu started

[igormp]

32 minutes ago, Snowarch said:

ohh that explains it. using ubuntu 16.04, and you're on arch which being rolling release, would force you to get latest drivers withour web installer. ppa doesn't want to give 440 from distro.

 

my pc has 4.0 clock instead of 4.2, speed, but same 6 cores as well, i don't understand how your cpu is throttleing the 2060. your score is about 219 points lower than mine, with an overclock. maybe a little more since i changed resolution. will screenshot later.

My CPU is way worse than yours, making it so my GPU kept around 80% usage at that low resolution that Heaven didn't let me change for some reason.

[Snowarch]

2 hours ago, igormp said:

My CPU is way worse than yours, making it so my GPU kept around 80% usage at that low resolution that Heaven didn't let me change for some reason.

i think to change resolution, need to change ultra to custom.

 

and for the gpu throttle, can you use a custom fancurve? need to set mine at 55% minimum, and 100% over 70 degrees. it usually doesn't reach 70.

[Snowarch]

1. @igormp
   
   heres my bench at that resolution with overclock
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and the oc itself

[igormp]

13 hours ago, Snowarch said:

i think to change resolution, need to change ultra to custom.

Oh, I see.

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and for the gpu throttle, can you use a custom fancurve? need to set mine at 55% minimum, and 100% over 70 degrees. it usually doesn't reach 70.

My fan was at 100% already, the cooling of that gpu is just crap.