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I got a "Upgrade" but it doesn't feel like one

So my old in my old PC I had a AMD Ryzen 5 1600 Six-Core Processor 16 GB of Ram and one GTX1070ti.

My new PC has a Intel i5-9400F 6 core 2.91 GHz with 64 gb of ram and two GTX 1070ti...

 

So a game I play a lot is Sea of Thieves and when I would stream it I would get 100+ FPS and only 50% CPU usage...

Now when I play almost any game its maxed out at 100% and I stutter down to 70fps a lot and even low 40's... While my GPU Usage is all the way down at 30-40%

 

Is my "new" CPU bottle-necking my performance even more now?

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The 9400F is a slower CPU than the 1600, especially for streaming since it doesn't have SMT. You didn't upgrade, you downgraded.

 

Why did you even want to change if you were getting great performance? You weren't being bottlenecked at all...

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The 9400F is weaker than the 1600,it has half the threads that the 1600 has and runs at lower clock speed.

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Like said, the 1600 outperforms the 9400F, so that's why it's pinned.

 

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Any of the i5 X400 models have historically been quite bad. The 7400 my brother had was an utter disappointment with low clocks, the 8400's only saving grace was 2 extra cores and the ability to upgrade to an i7, and the 9400F just doesn't stand out as useful in any way.

 

The CPU would have been an upgrade, if you exclusively play counter strike, but aside from that it's markedly worse.

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I've heard it said that many games don't support two cards well if at all.

That seems like a crazy amount of memory in your system too.  People always used to say that there is a sweet spot for how much memory and after that your just slowing your system down to some degree.

 

I don't know it those two things still hold true now but they were the first things that came to my mind.

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16 minutes ago, Sauron said:

The 9400F is a slower CPU than the 1600, especially for streaming since it doesn't have SMT. You didn't upgrade, you downgraded.

 

Why did you even want to change if you were getting great performance? You weren't being bottlenecked at all...

My dad got new stuff for me for Christmas and the benchmarks online said that the 9700f was faster.

 

I got a mpg z390 gaming plus Motherboard

Any recommendations on CPU upgrades that my motherboard can support?

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1 minute ago, Jayhawk2024 said:

My dad got new stuff for me for Christmas and the benchmarks online said that the 9700f was faster.

But the 9700F is not what you have...

2 minutes ago, Jayhawk2024 said:

I got a mpg z390 gaming plus Motherboard

Any recommendations on CPU upgrades that my motherboard can support?

I would recommend to go back to the 1600.

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6 minutes ago, Vishera said:

But the 9700F is not what you have...

I would recommend to go back to the 1600.

I meant to say 9400 sorry.

 

What about i7 9700F?

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12 minutes ago, Jayhawk2024 said:

I meant to say 9400 sorry.

 

What about i7 9700F?

Do you still have the 1600 system?...

Also why buy a Z motherboard if you don't even have a K series chip?

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8 hours ago, Vishera said:

lower clock speed

But the 9400f can be turbo to 4.3 GHz right? sorry but im not that knowledgeable...

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44 minutes ago, adidharmapotato1 said:

But the 9400f can be turbo to 4.3 GHz right? sorry but im not that knowledgeable...

I tried going up to 4 GHz and my PC didn't even turn on and I had too clear the cmos

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11 hours ago, Jayhawk2024 said:

My dad got new stuff for me for Christmas and the benchmarks online said that the 9700f was faster.

What benchmarks? I doubt any of them measured streaming performance.

11 hours ago, Jayhawk2024 said:

What about i7 9700F?

That would definitely be better than the i5 but also quite a bit more expensive. If you can I'd just recommend returning the "upgrades" and going back to the 1600.

2 hours ago, adidharmapotato1 said:

But the 9400f can be turbo to 4.3 GHz right? sorry but im not that knowledgeable...

Max turbo doesn't apply to all cores at the same time, a lower base clock speed still matters.

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Just a list of my personal scores for some products, in no particular order, with brief comments. I just got the idea to do them so they aren't many for now :)

Don't take these as complete reviews or final truths - they are just my personal impressions on products I may or may not have used, summed up in a couple of sentences and a rough score. All scores take into account the unit's price and time of release, heavily so, therefore don't expect absolute performance to be reflected here.

 

-Lenovo Thinkpad X220 - [8/10]

Spoiler

A durable and reliable machine that is relatively lightweight, has all the hardware it needs to never feel sluggish and has a great IPS matte screen. Downsides are mostly due to its age, most notably the screen resolution of 1366x768 and usb 2.0 ports.

 

-Apple Macbook (2015) - [Garbage -/10]

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From my perspective, this product has no redeeming factors given its price and the competition. It is underpowered, overpriced, impractical due to its single port and is made redundant even by Apple's own iPad pro line.

 

-OnePlus X - [7/10]

Spoiler

A good phone for the price. It does everything I (and most people) need without being sluggish and has no particularly bad flaws. The lack of recent software updates and relatively barebones feature kit (most notably the lack of 5GHz wifi, biometric sensors and backlight for the capacitive buttons) prevent it from being exceptional.

 

-Microsoft Surface Book 2 - [Garbage - -/10]

Spoiler

Overpriced and rushed, offers nothing notable compared to the competition, doesn't come with an adequate charger despite the premium price. Worse than the Macbook for not even offering the small plus sides of having macOS. Buy a Razer Blade if you want high performance in a (relatively) light package.

 

-Intel Core i7 2600/k - [9/10]

Spoiler

Quite possibly Intel's best product launch ever. It had all the bleeding edge features of the time, it came with a very significant performance improvement over its predecessor and it had a soldered heatspreader, allowing for efficient cooling and great overclocking. Even the "locked" version could be overclocked through the multiplier within (quite reasonable) limits.

 

-Apple iPad Pro - [5/10]

Spoiler

A pretty good product, sunk by its price (plus the extra cost of the physical keyboard and the pencil). Buy it if you don't mind the Apple tax and are looking for a very light office machine with an excellent digitizer. Particularly good for rich students. Bad for cheap tinkerers like myself.

 

 

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Also SLI is bad for gaming

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12 hours ago, Jayhawk2024 said:

So my old in my old PC I had a AMD Ryzen 5 1600 Six-Core Processor 16 GB of Ram and one GTX1070ti.

My new PC has a Intel i5-9400F 6 core 2.91 GHz with 64 gb of ram and two GTX 1070ti...

 

So a game I play a lot is Sea of Thieves and when I would stream it I would get 100+ FPS and only 50% CPU usage...

Now when I play almost any game its maxed out at 100% and I stutter down to 70fps a lot and even low 40's... While my GPU Usage is all the way down at 30-40%

 

Is my "new" CPU bottle-necking my performance even more now?

As others have said, that wasn't an upgrade. If you still have the old system and want an actual upgrade, just get a Ryzen 5 3600X. Also get rid of one of the 1070 Ti's, as SLI is basically dead. Almost every game will only use one card, and games that use both often run into problems.

 

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Part of the problem you are seeing is that you “upgraded” based on a gaming benchmark and not taking into account streaming that you do.
 

Only way to “fix” your problem would be to upgrade the intel CPU to something compatible with more threads and higher clock speeds

OR

Go back to the old Ryzen system and have better than current performance, or upgrade the cpu to a newer generation with as many ore more threads As the 1600 (>=12).

 

The SLI gpu setup isn’t a good solution either, as SLI is not well supported in modern times. A faster more powerful single card is a better choice. An option would be to just use the one 1070ti and sell the other, or sell both and get a better single card.


20/20 hindsight:

- Seems like just upgrading the Ryzen CPU to a newer model 6/12 or even 8/16 core/threads would have been the better choice, and then selling the 1070ti and using that money and the money saved on the downgrade to buy a 2080super.

- Spent too much money on ram, should have used it towards a better CPU in the intel system.

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18 hours ago, adidharmapotato1 said:

But the 9400f can be turbo to 4.3 GHz right? sorry but im not that knowledgeable...

Max Turbo speeds are never a guarantee for said speeds,and neither apply to all core speeds.

The Ryzen 5 1600 has a base clock of 3.2GHz and considering the higher IPC of Ryzen it's signficantly better than the 2.9GHz i5 9400F.

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