When should you replace an aio?

[Jordie]

I'm using a h100i from 2012 roughly. A friend suggested I should look at replacing it but I want to know is there any point? My temps are decent and I'm only running a r5 3600. Do aios have a maximum time period that I should be using them for?

 

Thanks for your advice 

[Boomwebsearch]

1 minute ago, Jordie said:

I'm using a h100i from 2012 roughly. A friend suggested I should look at replacing it but I want to know is there any point? My temps are decent and I'm only running a r5 3600. Do aios have a maximum time period that I should be using them for?

 

Thanks for your advice 

 

Unless the pump fails or is not able to push as much liquid as quickly as it used to (starting to fail) and you notice that your temperatures are high, there is no need to replace the AIO unless you want an upgrade or something along those lines. If the fans are noisy and/or are failing, you could swap them out with different/better fans of the same size (measured in millimeters) and depending on the radiator of the AIO model.

[dizmo]

Generally a good time to replace it is when the warranty expires; companies put a lot of testing into failure rates, and you can gather that they'll warranty them for as long as they are good. After that, they start to experience more problems, and they don't want to be replacing those units.

[nick name]

Has that AIO been in use since 2012?

[Boomwebsearch]

2 minutes ago, dizmo said:

Generally a good time to replace it is when the warranty expires; companies put a lot of testing into failure rates, and you can gather that they'll warranty them for as long as they are good. After that, they start to experience more problems, and they don't want to be replacing those units.

 

This is only for components in more mission critical systems, and for that air-cooling would be far more reliable since less points of possible failure. For the average consumer's computer, unless they need an upgrade, the only component that I would suggest changing out by the warranty expiration would be storage media (ex. HDDs and SSDs). Otherwise, why would you want to replace something that meets your needs and works fine?

[Jordie]

12 minutes ago, nick name said:

Has that AIO been in use since 2012?

Ye pretty much lol. I didn't use it for about 2 weeks when I got my 3600 as I was waiting got the am4 bracket to be delivered. Other than that I've been using it with 2 sp120 fans since I bought it in 2012. Also to note it's only held in by like 3 screws as they were lost at some point during a house move.

[dizmo]

23 minutes ago, Boomwebsearch said:

This is only for components in more mission critical systems, and for that air-cooling would be far more reliable since less points of possible failure. For the average consumer's computer, unless they need an upgrade, the only component that I would suggest changing out by the warranty expiration would be storage media (ex. HDDs and SSDs). Otherwise, why would you want to replace something that meets your needs and works fine?

What are you talking about?

Anyone who has a computer is not going to want it to die due to an AIO failure.

Storage is fine for many, many years after the warranty expires. There's no moving parts, and the cost for a company to replace it is tiny, so they're not as worried about it.

An AIO or PSU failing can destroy an entire system. Storage does not.

[nick name]

43 minutes ago, Jordie said:

Ye pretty much lol. I didn't use it for about 2 weeks when I got my 3600 as I was waiting got the am4 bracket to be delivered. Other than that I've been using it with 2 sp120 fans since I bought it in 2012. Also to note it's only held in by like 3 screws as they were lost at some point during a house move.

You'd probably see better performance out of a new AIO.  There has to have been some permeation -- that cooler isn't as full of fluid now as when you bought it.  

[Jordie]

1 minute ago, nick name said:

You'd probably see better performance out of a new AIO.  There has to have been some permeation -- that cooler isn't as full of fluid now as when you bought it.  

thats what my friend said. ill keep my eye out for any decent cooler deals. Thanks to everybody for their replys =]

[nick name]

The EVGA CLC 280 is still a good deal.  And that new Liquid Freezer II is better at the same price.  

 

 

[Jordie]

16 minutes ago, nick name said:

The EVGA CLC 280 is still a good deal.  And that new Liquid Freezer II is better at the same price.  

 

 

the arctic is only 80 pound in the uk where the evga is showing as 130 on amazon =o That arctic cooler looks really good tho so thanks for the sugestion

[nick name]

5 minutes ago, Jordie said:

the arctic is only 80 pound in the uk where the evga is showing as 130 on amazon =o That arctic cooler looks really good tho so thanks for the sugestion

Definitely grab that Artic then.  How much is the 360 over there?

[Boomwebsearch]

2 hours ago, dizmo said:

What are you talking about?

Anyone who has a computer is not going to want it to die due to an AIO failure.

Storage is fine for many, many years after the warranty expires. There's no moving parts, and the cost for a company to replace it is tiny, so they're not as worried about it.

An AIO or PSU failing can destroy an entire system. Storage does not.

Hard Disk Drives have moving parts, only SSDs don't contain moving parts (although they can still fail usually being due to the flash controller chips going bad), the user's data is not replaceable unless it was backed up beforehand, some users would rather have every component in their entire system fail at once rather than their drive failing and losing their data. Data recovery services are extremely expensive and your data being recovered is never guaranteed, better to get a new storage drive/s after a few years (especially hard drives) since they slow down over time and if you are working on something that didn't get backed up yet to the cloud or another separate drive, you may lose any un-backed up data on the drive/s. The drives themselves are fairly inexpensive, although the value of your data is likely many times more than that, some drive manufacturers even offer data recovery services within their warranties on drives. The PSU failing could definitely destroy the entire system, good PSUs will have safeguards in place to not destroy your hardware when it fails, although if something fails (especially on the DC side), there isn't much that could be done to prevent potential component/data damage. However, if the AIO pump and/or fans fail, it is not going to destroy your entire system. Your CPU would eventually heat up so much that it would cause a system shutdown, then you know that the pump has likely failed and you need a new AIO. If you CPU gets high on temperature one time to cause a shutdown, and you replace the cooler, there is no damage going to be done to the CPU (only long-term high temps can be an issue). The only way that the AIO could cause any damage to other components was if it were to lead, leaking with modern AIOs are extremely rare, and it would be much more likely that the fan/s and/or pump would fail sooner. 

[dizmo]

@Boomwebsearch Ok, where to begin...

 

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some users would rather have every component in their entire system fail at once rather than their drive failing and losing their data.

That's a completely illogical stance to take, for numerous reasons:

• It costs significantly more to replace an entire system, than to replace storage.
• Some people wanting something does not mean that it's the right course to take. Some people want to end social distancing, even though it's proven to work.

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better to get a new storage drive/s after a few years

Or, you know, just back up your data properly.

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since they slow down over time and if you are working on something that didn't get backed up yet to the cloud or another separate drive, you may lose any un-backed up data on the drive/s.

The problem you listed is as true for new drives as it is for old drives. That doesn't change on age, and regardless of age, the solution to that is the same; proper back ups. Drives don't really slow down that much over time.

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). The only way that the AIO could cause any damage to other components was if it were to lead, leaking with modern AIOs are extremely rare, and it would be much more likely that the fan/s and/or pump would fail sooner. 

Yet still a very real possibility, and that increases once you leave the period under warranty.

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Hard Disk Drives have moving parts

Annnnnnd what, AIOs don't? If your logic is that you should replace the HDD because it has moving parts, then it most certainly would apply to an AIO.

[Jordie]

5 hours ago, nick name said:

Definitely grab that Artic then.  How much is the 360 over there?

https://www.scan.co.uk/products/arctic-liquid-freezer-ii-360-all-in-one-hydro-cpu-cooler-3x120mm-pwm-fan-aluminium-copper?gclid=Cj0KCQjwtLT1BRD9ARIsAMH3BtUwup7IdzlwchfErUrcrZkeJ2sqJdPG5k-MAiLAocwiXnn5ZxZEqzkaAlNsEALw_wcB 90 pound. I have a 650d dont think this would fit. I kinda want to get s new case anyway so maybe this gives me an excuse 

[nick name]

17 minutes ago, Jordie said:

https://www.scan.co.uk/products/arctic-liquid-freezer-ii-360-all-in-one-hydro-cpu-cooler-3x120mm-pwm-fan-aluminium-copper?gclid=Cj0KCQjwtLT1BRD9ARIsAMH3BtUwup7IdzlwchfErUrcrZkeJ2sqJdPG5k-MAiLAocwiXnn5ZxZEqzkaAlNsEALw_wcB 90 pound. I have a 650d dont think this would fit. I kinda want to get s new case anyway so maybe this gives me an excuse 

Do it.  Satisfy that want for a new case.  

[Hoss81]

6 hours ago, nick name said:

The EVGA CLC 280 is still a good deal.  And that new Liquid Freezer II is better at the same price.  

 

 

Unfortunately these are becoming impossible to find in stock in the US.  

[-rascal-]

@Jordie

 

The liquid inside the AIO, especially the older designed AIOs, will eventually -- but very slowly -- evaporate / dry out of the system.

It evaporates out of the tubing.

That said, this is usually over the course of number of years for it to be a problem.

[Jordie]

1 minute ago, -rascal- said:

@Jordie

 

The liquid inside the AIO, especially the older designed AIOs, will eventually -- but very slowly -- evaporate / dry out of the system.

That said, this is usually over the course of number of years for it to be a problem.

So I've had this cooler for 8 years almost lol. Time to upgrade? My idle temps do look a bit high tbh, around 45-50 degrees but then in games it only goes to like 55-60c