How long until miners drive the price of the 750Ti through the roof?

[s3ns3]

Mining historically used more power than gaming. The ASUS 750 Ti cost the same as every other 750 Ti in Canada and $5 more in the US. 

it doesn`t matter. the 750 Ti stock uses 66 W in furmark but that doesn`t matter. even if you go with asus you need to oc the card very hard to pass 75W. so you don`t if you want longevity. an oc on cards with no power connector is enough and will not pass 75W because it can`t

[jscho]

who pays for windows?

 

I pay for Windows.

 

 

One can only hope.

Though, I kind of hope they turn out to be better, and everyone gives up buying AMD cards. I have a feeling I'm going AMD with my next build because it'll be heavily based around StarCitizen and Mantle.

 

Well, CIG are going to have Star Citizen support Mantle, but I doubt that they'd leave the greens in the dust, Chris wouldn't do that. I'll be going Nvidia for my next upgrade. Whilst AMD have Mantle, Nvidia are leading the charge in performance. I'm super excited to see what they have planned for Maxwell and even Volta next year. Hopefully DirectX will be better in the future as well.

[KamiKatze]

Woooooow. finally mining is atractive again in germany. Dat damn electricity costs made it unprofitable to mine but with 750 Tis.... hmmmmm. nah, not gonna bother with it, 750 Tis suck.

[TheDigitalRealm]

A 750 Ti may get 300 kH but an older 7950 will push 650 kH and can be found for about £20 more in the UK. Double the performance for another £20. Anyone want mine?

[legopc]

and it will generate less heat and the stock ones dont take up a lot of space so you could put my gpus in one rig 

[UltimateDave]

So I read a post in another thread, did a little looking and apparently the 750Ti can get 300 kh/s.

At first glance you're probably thinking that it's not that great.

But consider this. The card uses only 60 watts. This means you can get a much cheaper power supply. It's also cheaper than the 270.

Most 270's are ~$259. (some much higher)

The 750Ti's are ~$149.

So we'll say for an easier comparison that you can get 2 750Ti's for the price of 1 270.

 

Set up a rig.

 

6x 270s cost ~$1800 and consume 900w. 2700 kh/s.

For the same price you can get 12x 750Tis, consume 720w, and get a 3600 kh/s.

 

I know not everyone will set up a rig like this, but lets face it. Some will. That's why NewEgg sells bundles.

 

We'll use a Doge calculator as an example with $0.10 kw/h.

 

The 270s earn you ~$12.51/day

The 750Tis earn you ~$17.83/day

That's about an extra $165/month from the 750Ti's.

That extra can add another card to the array, per month, and you're only out of pocket $54.72 instead of $64.80 for power. Free pint at the bar.

 

Now, if I did all my calculations correctly and it holds true, do you think this means that miners are going to scoop up the 750Ti?

If I was going to do a mining build, this is the way I'd go.

Even worse, if the higher end Maxwell cards perform much, much better when it comes to mining and have a lower TDP, I think we'll see prices sky rocket.

 

What are your guys thoughts?

 

EDIT: I should probably note that I didn't mean thoughts on the 750Ti as a mining card, but rather if you think it'll cause a price increase with Maxwell cards.

I figured I'd flesh it out a bit since if I just put the fact that the 750Ti got 300 kh/s everyone would say how that sucks compared to AMD, not thinking it fully through.

I know you got that number from me and my very unresearched reddit source, don't go scooping them up just yet. Wait for some people to share what kh/s they get with it. That reddit post could be completely wrong

[UltimateDave]

Power consumption is the main reason they're better.

Cheaper components, lower overhead. If power is expensive where you live, this is an excellent way to get into it. If it's cheap, it's not as much of a difference.

In Europe for example where it's 0.30 kw/h this makes perfect sense.

 

Plus Aus get's molested pricing wise anyway.

molested indeed...

[Kyl3]

I got money on next tuesday, that's when they will inflate.

[RuecanOnRails]

In order to compare GPU's don't use an abstract, and always changing "potential" profits.  Compare them by calculating the hashrate per dollar.  This makes comparing sales easier by placing all GPU's from low to high end on an equal and balanced playing field.

 

Divide the average estimated hashrate by the cost of the GPU.  Cheapest 750Ti I found in Canada was $170; This gives a decent ratio of 1.76K/hash per Canadian Dollar, assuming the 300 K/hash estimate is accurate and true of the majority of card, not just the rare high performing card.

 

In comparison a 280X which has a good estimate of 730K/hash can be found for $425.  Calculating out to 1.71K/hash, this is a fairly modest estimate as some cards have been known to achieve upwards of 750 - 800 K/hash.

 

 

At first glance, it appears you may have found a very good deal, but PCI slots come at a premium for mining rigs.  If you have a small miner or current computer you want to add an extra card at low costs, this might not be a bad choice.  As a mining standpoint, the potentially cheaper K/hash and very minor energy savings may not be worth the cost of extra hardware to achieve equal hashrates on larger miners at the same cost.

[Mac]

I use a 6950, bought it specially for mining, £90.

[-iSynthesis]

Aftermarket 750 Ti have PCI-E connector.

Not all do, for example the msi one doesnt

[-iSynthesis]

A 750 Ti may get 300 kH but an older 7950 will push 650 kH and can be found for about £20 more in the UK. Double the performance for another £20. Anyone want mine?

20 for a 7950??? havent seen any 7950 go that low! Only seen a 7970 for 9€(ram didnt work)

[dizmo]

Well, CIG are going to have Star Citizen support Mantle, but I doubt that they'd leave the greens in the dust, Chris wouldn't do that. I'll be going Nvidia for my next upgrade. Whilst AMD have Mantle, Nvidia are leading the charge in performance. I'm super excited to see what they have planned for Maxwell and even Volta next year. Hopefully DirectX will be better in the future as well.

True but if everything holds true to claims Mantle will blow Nvidia's offerings out of the water when it comes to a game like Star Citizen. It will be a lot closer to what the Starswarm demo is like, than a game like BF4 where the improvement is there but not massive. 

 

I know you got that number from me and my very unresearched reddit source, don't go scooping them up just yet. Wait for some people to share what kh/s they get with it. That reddit post could be completely wrong

Haha, yeah I looked it up after you mentioned it.

 

In order to compare GPU's don't use an abstract, and always changing "potential" profits.  Compare them by calculating the hashrate per dollar.  This makes comparing sales easier by placing all GPU's from low to high end on an equal and balanced playing field.

 

Divide the average estimated hashrate by the cost of the GPU.  Cheapest 750Ti I found in Canada was $170; This gives a decent ratio of 1.76K/hash per Canadian Dollar, assuming the 300 K/hash estimate is accurate and true of the majority of card, not just the rare high performing card.

 

In comparison a 280X which has a good estimate of 730K/hash can be found for $425.  Calculating out to 1.71K/hash, this is a fairly modest estimate as some cards have been known to achieve upwards of 750 - 800 K/hash.

 

 

At first glance, it appears you may have found a very good deal, but PCI slots come at a premium for mining rigs.  If you have a small miner or current computer you want to add an extra card at low costs, this might not be a bad choice.  As a mining standpoint, the potentially cheaper K/hash and very minor energy savings may not be worth the cost of extra hardware to achieve equal hashrates on larger miners at the same cost.

That does make a huge amount of sense, however it also fails to factor in the cost of electricity, which can be a huge deciding factor in some areas.

 

I think you guys kind of missed the point. It wasn't if I was going to use these as a mining card, but rather if the numbers hold true, if it will drive up the price of 750Ti's and more importantly the higher end card to come as they would undoubtedly provide substantially better performance.

I included numbers because people would likely look at the hash only, not the power consumed.

I suppose I should have put a ton of bolded if's in there, but it was quite late.

[TheDigitalRealm]

20 for a 7950??? havent seen any 7950 go that low! Only seen a 7970 for 9€(ram didnt work)

Pretty sure you just misread my comment. I said £20 MORE than a GTX 750 Ti.

[dizmo]

Pretty sure you just misread my comment. I said £20 MORE than a GTX 750 Ti.

Prices aren't like that everywhere though, especially in North America.

[Osmium]

I'm not too worried about the 750Ti, but I am worried about the rest of the Maxwell cards when they come out. If they all perform as well as the 750Ti, then they might all shoot up in price like AMD cards did. 

 

People are having eggs about the 750ti but it is the stupid sibling of Maxwell that everyone wishes never exists. High end Maxwell will destroy the 750ti for mining and it probably will not need a lot of power. AMD mining rigs might be obsolete in one generation. I don't know about anyone else but this scares me.

[piplupgao]

The 750 Ti has a TDP of 60W but in reality uses more power that that. You will also need to take into account the cost of another motherboard, CPU, PSU, HDD, Windows license.

LINUX!!!

[TheDigitalRealm]

True but if everything holds true to claims Mantle will blow Nvidia's offerings out of the water when it comes to a game like Star Citizen. It will be a lot closer to what the Starswarm demo is like, than a game like BF4 where the improvement is there but not massive

It won't. People keep saying this, but it won't. Don't you think Nvidia will take into account what mantle performance will be like when they release the 800 series? If there is a situation where AMD's top offering is faster Nvidia will just release a 880 Ti like they did with the 290X-780 scenario.

Also, you underestimate how much of a difference G-Sync makes. It's freaking awesome. It means that you don't need 60fps anymore. 30fps looks as smooth as 60fps does now. Assuming one invests in both an 880 and a G-Sync monitor, I would wager it to be a better experience than what Mantle does. In an ideal world of course, these two companies would open up their technologies to one another.

[Oshino Shinobu]

People are having eggs about the 750ti but it is the stupid sibling of Maxwell that everyone wishes never exists. High end Maxwell will destroy the 750ti for mining and it probably will not need a lot of power. AMD mining rigs might be obsolete in one generation. I don't know about anyone else but this scares me.

I'm kind of hoping that the rest of the Maxwell cards don't do well when mining and that the 750/ti is just a one off. Or maybe the tables will turn again and AMD will become the price to performance leaders again. 

[Pelop17]

So I read a post in another thread, did a little looking and apparently the 750Ti can get 300 kh/s.

At first glance you're probably thinking that it's not that great.

But consider this. The card uses only 60 watts. This means you can get a much cheaper power supply. It's also cheaper than the 270.

Most 270's are ~$259. (some much higher)

The 750Ti's are ~$149.

So we'll say for an easier comparison that you can get 2 750Ti's for the price of 1 270.

 

Set up a rig.

 

6x 270s cost ~$1800 and consume 900w. 2700 kh/s.

For the same price you can get 12x 750Tis, consume 720w, and get a 3600 kh/s.

 

I know not everyone will set up a rig like this, but lets face it. Some will. That's why NewEgg sells bundles.

 

We'll use a Doge calculator as an example with $0.10 kw/h.

 

The 270s earn you ~$12.51/day

The 750Tis earn you ~$17.83/day

That's about an extra $165/month from the 750Ti's.

That extra can add another card to the array, per month, and you're only out of pocket $54.72 instead of $64.80 for power. Free pint at the bar.

 

Now, if I did all my calculations correctly and it holds true, do you think this means that miners are going to scoop up the 750Ti?

If I was going to do a mining build, this is the way I'd go.

Even worse, if the higher end Maxwell cards perform much, much better when it comes to mining and have a lower TDP, I think we'll see prices sky rocket.

 

What are your guys thoughts?

 

EDIT: I should probably note that I didn't mean thoughts on the 750Ti as a mining card, but rather if you think it'll cause a price increase with Maxwell cards.

I figured I'd flesh it out a bit since if I just put the fact that the 750Ti got 300 kh/s everyone would say how that sucks compared to AMD, not thinking it fully through.

http://www.amazon.co.uk/MSI-OC-1059MHz-DL-DVI-D-Graphics/dp/B00I5ZYI5A/ref=sr_1_3?s=computers&ie=UTF8&qid=1392834022&sr=1-3&keywords=750+ti

 

is it this card correct ( maxwell )??\

[Osmium]

I'm kind of hoping that the rest of the Maxwell cards don't do well when mining and that the 750/ti is just a one off. Or maybe the tables will turn again and AMD will become the price to performance leaders again. 

     There are many reasons I don't see AMD being as good as Nvidia next generation. Maxwell's focus is Power efficiency and the 750ti shows they mean business. The way maxwell is supposed to work is it adds extra modules to regulate the workloads of the CUDA cores so the cores themselves don't have to regulate themselves thus reducing power consumption and boosting performance per clock. The 750ti has proven itself to be a formidable miner and it crushes everything AMD has on power consumption.

     What makes a good mining card is hash per power drawn. That is why the 280x is better than the 290, it is more power efficient. So if AMD increases performance by lets say 30% which is a stretch but only improves power consumption by 5% Nvidia will dominate them in performance/power drawn even though AMD is still much better at mining.

 

     That is only from a technological standpoint but in terms of market competition I think Nvidia wants nothing more than to be able to charge a lot for their cards because they are better in the long term than AMD's in mining. Nvidia is not oblivious of the inflated prices for AMD and I am sure they want in on that action.

 

     It looks bad to me

[Suika]

To get the max hashrate, you will need the latest version of CudaMiner which is only available for Windows.

Then run a demo of Windows. If it's a dedicated mining rig, you won't need the additional features of a fully licensed copy.

[kinkywink]

We should all be thankful that we don't live in Brazil, where importing a video card costs $1600. $750 for the card, $850 in duty, tariffs and taxes.

But yes, that's also bad. Though look where you live. I'd pay more to live there. Your minimum wage is also $13.75 which is not too shabby at all.

Adopt me

Haha yeah min wage is pretty damn good i must admit and sorry man full house :L

[Oshino Shinobu]

     There are many reasons I don't see AMD being as good as Nvidia next generation. Maxwell's focus is Power efficiency and the 750ti shows they mean business. The way maxwell is supposed to work is it adds extra modules to regulate the workloads of the CUDA cores so the cores themselves don't have to regulate themselves thus reducing power consumption and boosting performance per clock. The 750ti has proven itself to be a formidable miner and it crushes everything AMD has on power consumption.

     What makes a good mining card is hash per power drawn. That is why the 280x is better than the 290, it is more power efficient. So if AMD increases performance by lets say 30% which is a stretch but only improves power consumption by 5% Nvidia will dominate them in performance/power drawn even though AMD is still much better at mining.

 

     That is only from a technological standpoint but in terms of market competition I think Nvidia wants nothing more than to be able to charge a lot for their cards because they are better in the long term than AMD's in mining. Nvidia is not oblivious of the inflated prices for AMD and I am sure they want in on that action.

 

     It looks bad to me

I have to agree that it looks like the next set of cards are going to be more expensive because of miners, both for AMD and Nvidia. Good job I'm buying my new cards now and shouldn't have to worry for a while 

[dizmo]

It won't. People keep saying this, but it won't. Don't you think Nvidia will take into account what mantle performance will be like when they release the 800 series? If there is a situation where AMD's top offering is faster Nvidia will just release a 880 Ti like they did with the 290X-780 scenario.

Also, you underestimate how much of a difference G-Sync makes. It's freaking awesome. It means that you don't need 60fps anymore. 30fps looks as smooth as 60fps does now. Assuming one invests in both an 880 and a G-Sync monitor, I would wager it to be a better experience than what Mantle does. In an ideal world of course, these two companies would open up their technologies to one another.

You really can't say that, as the game isn't out and benchmarks aren't available. Linus had a good point, that in Star Citizen there are hundreds of AI in a battle at once, and this is where Mantle shines. For all you know, it could be a massive, massive improvement over DX. Or not. We don't know. It's a very moot point to argue.

I don't think Nvidia will target Mantle directly, at least not with it's next generation. It's too soon after Mantle's release. Think about it, why would you throw everything into a card to beat an API that is only used in a few games? You don't. You look at the big picture, where AMD still falls slightly behind.

 

GSync sounds great, it does. However right now the hardware just isn't there. The only GSync monitor I'd even consider, is the ROG one and at $2,000 for a pair of displays? No thanks. I'd rather have IPS monitors for a lot less. Though I will hold off total judgement until some really in depth reviews are done on their 8bit TN panel.

 

Haha yeah min wage is pretty damn good i must admit and sorry man full house :L

Your climate is pretty sweet, I don't mind staying in the yard. I can bring my own tarpaulin.