Msi boards?

[Bruh1]

Did MSI stop producing mother boards or something? Why is the b450 tomahawk max out of stock from every single online shop in my country(France)? One store has it and they're selling it for 60 euros more , what a scam. 

[SavageNeo]

1 minute ago, Bruh1 said:

Did MSI stop producing mother boards or something? Why is the b450 tomahawk max out of stock from every single online shop in my country(France)? One store has it and they're selling it for 60 euros more , what a scam. 

60 euros is very good deal

[nox_]

Shortages related to the corona virus obviously.

[iBabySlapper]

People are slurping up PC parts these days because corona/quarantine.

[iBabySlapper]

Wait, 60 EUR for a B450 Tom max is pretty cheap. What are you talking about.

 

EDIT

Didn't read your post properly, lol silly me.

Edited April 13, 2020 by ibabyslapper

[Bruh1]

My bad I didn't clarify enough , 60 euros more than usual price which is 110-120.

[IndiaAssassin]

sites are not delivering because of the covid19 outbreak

 

[Bruh1]

1 minute ago, IndiaAssassin said:

sites are not delivering because of the covid19 outbreak

 

Yea but I heard that there are many factories in China already re-opening I thought MSI would be one. Not sure if the factory is in Taiwan or China.

[thedangerine]

That is probably the most popular amd board by a large margin so it makes since that it is sold out

[Bruh1]

1 minute ago, thedangerine said:

That is probably the most popular amd board by a large margin so it makes since that it is sold out

yea for sure , offers best features for the price and support for 3rd gen Ryzen. what a shame , should I wait for it to restock or is there any other option for similar price?

[thedangerine]

2 minutes ago, Bruh1 said:

yea for sure , offers best features for the price and support for 3rd gen Ryzen. what a shame , should I wait for it to restock or is there any other option for similar price?

Depends on how pricing and availability are in france, right now in the US the Asus B450 TUF Plus Gaming is very similar in price to the tomahawk

[Bruh1]

5 minutes ago, thedangerine said:

Depends on how pricing and availability are in france, right now in the US the Asus B450 TUF Plus Gaming is very similar in price to the tomahawk

it doesn't support 3rd gen Ryzen and its capped at 3000 mhz ram speed as far as I can tell

[mariushm]

It supports 3rd generation Ryzen and by now all motherboards bought new in stores should come with bios that supports Ryzen 3.

 

These MSI boards have pretty much the same VRM and overclocking ability as the Tomohawk model.

 

MSI B450 Gaming Plus

MSI B450M Gaming Plus

MSI B450M Mortar  ( Max or Titanium)

 

MSI B450-A Pro is maybe a tiny bit less good than the above, but unless you overclock a 12 core Ryzen it literally makes no difference.

 

You can buy either model, with or withotu Max ... Max just means the motherboard comes with a bigger size bios chip, and has a more graphical more colorful bios menu.  The ones without Max have a more text and more grayscale bios, as it uses less color in images to shrink the bios size and fit in the bios chip.

 

ALSO, all the models above have bios flashback, which means you can place the bios file on a usb stick, plug the stick into a particular usb port and press a button on the back and even without a processor in the socket, the bios will be updated within around one minute.

So nothing to worry about, even if the board comes with ancient bios version, you just put the latest bios on the stick and press a button.

 

Other good models to buy

Asrock B450 Pro4  and B450M Pro4 (and varieties, stuff after pro4 like -F which just refers to integrated graphics connectors)

Asrock B450 Fatality Gaming K4 (just as good as the above two)

 

These don't support bios flashback, but the first bios that supports Ryzen 3rd gen was made available in May last year, so unless the boards set on shelves for almost a year, you'll be fine.

 

 

[SavageNeo]

13 minutes ago, Bruh1 said:

it doesn't support 3rd gen Ryzen and its capped at 3000 mhz ram speed as far as I can tell

asus x570 prime-P is pretty nice for 150 dollars. 

[thedangerine]

3 minutes ago, mariushm said:

It supports 3rd generation Ryzen and by now all motherboards bought new in stores should come with bios that supports Ryzen 3.

 

These MSI boards have pretty much the same VRM and overclocking ability as the Tomohawk model.

 

MSI B450 Gaming Plus

MSI B450M Gaming Plus

MSI B450M Mortar  ( Max or Titanium)

 

MSI B450-A Pro is maybe a tiny bit less good than the above, but unless you overclock a 12 core Ryzen it literally makes no difference.

 

You can buy either model, with or withotu Max ... Max just means the motherboard comes with a bigger size bios chip, and has a more graphical more colorful bios menu.  The ones without Max have a more text and more grayscale bios, as it uses less color in images to shrink the bios size and fit in the bios chip.

 

ALSO, all the models above have bios flashback, which means you can place the bios file on a usb stick, plug the stick into a particular usb port and press a button on the back and even without a processor in the socket, the bios will be updated within around one minute.

So nothing to worry about, even if the board comes with ancient bios version, you just put the latest bios on the stick and press a button.

 

Other good models to buy

Asrock B450 Pro4  and B450M Pro4 (and varieties, stuff after pro4 like -F which just refers to integrated graphics connectors)

Asrock B450 Fatality Gaming K4 (just as good as the above two)

 

These don't support bios flashback, but the first bios that supports Ryzen 3rd gen was made available in May last year, so unless the boards set on shelves for almost a year, you'll be fine.

 

 

Forgot about the mortar, if I remember correctly Buildzoid gave it a good review due to its vrm being really good for the price point

[mariushm]

2 minutes ago, thedangerine said:

Forgot about the mortar, if I remember correctly Buildzoid gave it a good review due to its vrm being really good for the price point

It's literally the same VRM ... 4 phases , each with  2x 4C029N and 2x 4C024N mosfets.

The minor differences between models are in the shape of the heatsink and maybe some bios options available or not between models. 

Tomohawk models was just the most sent to reviewers and reviewed ... the Mortar being mATX was sent less to reviewers because some reviewers are stupid and point out that it has only 4 sata ports (but fail to mention that 2 sata ports on the boards with 6 sata ports get disabled when you use a m.2 drive anyway) or that being mATX you get fewer expansion slots.

 

 

[Bruh1]

8 minutes ago, mariushm said:

It supports 3rd generation Ryzen and by now all motherboards bought new in stores should come with bios that supports Ryzen 3.

 

These MSI boards have pretty much the same VRM and overclocking ability as the Tomohawk model.

 

MSI B450 Gaming Plus

MSI B450M Gaming Plus

MSI B450M Mortar  ( Max or Titanium)

 

MSI B450-A Pro is maybe a tiny bit less good than the above, but unless you overclock a 12 core Ryzen it literally makes no difference.

 

You can buy either model, with or withotu Max ... Max just means the motherboard comes with a bigger size bios chip, and has a more graphical more colorful bios menu.  The ones without Max have a more text and more grayscale bios, as it uses less color in images to shrink the bios size and fit in the bios chip.

 

ALSO, all the models above have bios flashback, which means you can place the bios file on a usb stick, plug the stick into a particular usb port and press a button on the back and even without a processor in the socket, the bios will be updated within around one minute.

So nothing to worry about, even if the board comes with ancient bios version, you just put the latest bios on the stick and press a button.

 

Other good models to buy

Asrock B450 Pro4  and B450M Pro4 (and varieties, stuff after pro4 like -F which just refers to integrated graphics connectors)

Asrock B450 Fatality Gaming K4 (just as good as the above two)

 

These don't support bios flashback, but the first bios that supports Ryzen 3rd gen was made available in May last year, so unless the boards set on shelves for almost a year, you'll be fine.

 

 

the MSI B450-A Pro Max sounds decent enough , I found it on amazon for 110 euros and it supprots 3rd gen Ryzen and up to 4000 Mhz ram , might go for it. thanks for the suggestions

[Bruh1]

15 minutes ago, mariushm said:

It's literally the same VRM ... 4 phases , each with  2x 4C029N and 2x 4C024N mosfets.

The minor differences between models are in the shape of the heatsink and maybe some bios options available or not between models. 

Tomohawk models was just the most sent to reviewers and reviewed ... the Mortar being mATX was sent less to reviewers because some reviewers are stupid and point out that it has only 4 sata ports (but fail to mention that 2 sata ports on the boards with 6 sata ports get disabled when you use a m.2 drive anyway) or that being mATX you get fewer expansion slots.

 

 

I'm looking at these boards whats the difference between the B450 Tomahawk max and the B450-A Pro Max , cause as far as I can tell its just the same board with some design difference? 

Edit: I'm looking a bit more at it I can see that the difference is in the heat sinks next to the cpu are a bit beefier on the tomahawk max and it also has an RGB light strip? I don't care about RGB so yea... correct me if i'm wrong

[Vejnemojnen]

can't go wrong with either of the recommended ones. The mortar is incredible, will look for a vrm torture test result.. 

 

 

[Vejnemojnen]

1 hour ago, Bruh1 said:

 

 

Ryzen 9 3900 @1.3Volts, Prime95 torture for 15 mins. The Mortar Max is an excellent board, but you won't make a bad choice with neither A-Pro MAX, nor Tomahawk MAX. : )

[Bruh1]

1 minute ago, Vejnemojnen said:

 

Ryzen 9 3900 @1.3Volts, Prime95 torture for 15 mins. The Mortar Max is an excellent board, but you won't make a bad choice with neither A-Pro MAX, nor Tomahawk MAX. : )

hmm , I was planning on going for the A-Pro max since its the only one available and cheaper than others.... but it has 0 RGB support? so It wont support my RGB fans im buying for the case? I mean I don't care that much but it would've been a nice feature to have  

[Bruh1]

5 minutes ago, Vejnemojnen said:

 

Ryzen 9 3900 @1.3Volts, Prime95 torture for 15 mins. The Mortar Max is an excellent board, but you won't make a bad choice with neither A-Pro MAX, nor Tomahawk MAX. : )

b450m mortar max is some how cheaper?? 107 euros vs 115 on the A-pro max , and the mortar supports 3rd gen Ryzen , 4133 Mhz ram , It looks like the best option I got, do you know if it supports RGB case fans?

[iBabySlapper]

6 hours ago, Bruh1 said:

Yea but I heard that there are many factories in China already re-opening I thought MSI would be one. Not sure if the factory is in Taiwan or China.

Yeah, but you need to remember that manufacturing is only part of the whole chain. It takes like 3 months for a boat from Shenzhen or Taiwan to make it to a EU port like Rotterdam or Antwerp.

[Dubious]

2 hours ago, ibabyslapper said:

Yeah, but you need to remember that manufacturing is only part of the whole chain. It takes like 3 months for a boat from Shenzhen or Taiwan to make it to a EU port like Rotterdam or Antwerp.

In what century? 

It takes about 1 month

[iBabySlapper]

19 minutes ago, Dubious said:

In what century? 

It takes about 1 month

That's if it gets on a boat straight away, sometimes it's waiting on the asphalt due to bureaucracy for bloody ages.