First PS4 PC

[HoganKevin8997]

38 minutes ago, HoganKevin8997 said:

Sony created there own measurement system, isn't that convienant to them that most other modern cpus and gpus can't measure themselves to accurately..  Its all marketing BS

floating point vectors, cuda cores, and cell processors and teraflops sounds like zesty advertisement bs to me over the years of console gaming... I like consoles but Sony got stupid with that crap... and who can question them except for a few...

[HoganKevin8997]

11 hours ago, Egad said:

You have some interesting claims, I'd love to clarify.  Also I feel kind of badm like I'm triggering some kind of compulsion loop here or something.

 

 

 

 

First you are claiming that a GT 1030 beats any Polaris 11 GPU arch?  So we take a computer, plug in a GT 1030, and runs some benchmarks, then remove the GT 1030, plug in the RX470, and run the benchmarks again.  You are stating that the GT 1030 benchmarks will exceed the RX470 benchmarks.

 

Because that's frankly total garbage.  The RX470 was typically recommend over the GTX 1050Ti given its performance edge.  The GTX 1050Ti and GT 1030 are both Pascal cards and the GTX 1050Ti was two increments ahead of the GT 1030 in nVidia's lineup, you're arguing the sky isn't blue at this point.

 

 

 

 

PS4 shipped with a HD7870 that had two units disabled due to power and cooling concerns.

PS4 Pro shipped with a downclocked RX 480, which is Polaris 11.  So when comparing GPU abilities, to call it comparable to the PS4 Pro, it needs to slide in between the RX470 and RX480, the two Polaris 11 cards.

 

Sure some other things were done to glue them onto the overall Neo and Livermore chips, but that's what the graphic components were.

 

There is a bunch of other stuff going on here.  At some level you seem to want to claim whatever lets you win the argument.  Like your comments about Microsoft Office to me all of a sudden and your comments about emulation to steelo.  First I'd point you back at the fact I agree that a Haswell + GT 1030 is better for CPU heavy tasks.  However people are responding to your claims the GT 1030 is superior graphically.  There is no situation when playing a 3D gaming title that the GT 1030 trumps any Polaris 11 part, be it the RX470, the RX480, or the Polaris 11 part in the Pro.

 

Second as for emulation, Pascal doesn't have a true hardware scheduler for async compute which hurts it with regard to running Vulkan and DX12 titles.  See for example Maxwell and Pascal cards poor showing in the recently Doom Eternal benchmarks.  At the end of the day when the PS4 emulator does mature, you're going to be trying to play PS4 games on something that lacks hardware level async (and 99.99% chance the emulator is going to be written to use Vulkan), has a GPU that only enjoys a slight edge over the PS4's cut down HD 7870 and is outclassed by the downclocked in the PS4 Pro, and won't be emulating anything.  Since the rule is you need to bring significantly more computing to the table than the console had so as to deal with the emulation overhead.  Even if all the instruction sets line up, you're still running the PlayStation OS on top of Windows or Linux to come degree.

 

If it's your hobby cool, all my builds are hobbiest and don't make perfect sense.  But misleading claims about the capabilities of a machine you've stated you want to try to sell others is not cool.

 

 

 

 

I wanted to put out there that the system i put together inside this ps4 is very good. 

 

Plus i didn't use a ps4 pro case...

I used the ps4 case original.

The original ps4 could not boost clock...

If i built inside a ps4 pro case i could use a larger gpu...

Cause there is extra room in the case. 

The graphics cards you mentioned are dedicated gpus... The ps4 jaguar apu does not perform as well because it was custom made for low power applications... I was not comparing the the gt 1030 to a rx 480 or an rx 470 or any of those.  The jaguar, i agrue is not like those cards core to core performance wise,  its much weaker then then either of those. 

 

In the bench mark test ran on geek bench 4 my system wins every time.  Those cards  you mentioned are better than a jaguar by far...That is not an accurate comparison..Jaguar gpu is not a polaris 11 , its just like a polaris 11 if it is a one at all.  Its a Custom chip...

 

My cpu is better and in combination with my low end graphics card my system will still perform better at most if not all computing task... Especially if i were to upgrade my cpu to the devils canyon intel core i7-4790K  4.0 to 4.4ghz then its over...

 

Even with a lessor gpu the processing power of the system would be miles and miles ahead of the ps4 and ps4 pro giving an overall better system for gaming and regular everyday computing... When i built this pc i didn't care to emulate the ps4 , i set out to build a better pc in sonys house...

 

 

 

 

[HoganKevin8997]

You are arguing the gpu in the ps4 pro or ps4 is better but what difference would it make overall in comparison to my pc i put inside the ps4.  My hardware is much better and its not even maxed out. 

[HoganKevin8997]

at least it looks like a ps4 from 1 side view

[HoganKevin8997]

On 3/30/2020 at 2:24 PM, HoganKevin8997 said:

Thanks did you build one are those your specs above, Yeah the paint isn't that good. 

How would keep the components cool in that small space in there?  How would you get the hot air out of the case?  After puting a pc inside it?  its less than 4 cm of space inside the case.  Or less than 4cm of height.  My cpu is were the big fan is and my power supply is where the little fan is.  The other item is a step up converter 12-24volts for a industrial noctua fan.  Let me guess liquid , where the hell would you put it.  How  much would that bill run? 

[HoganKevin8997]

On 3/31/2020 at 3:13 PM, steelo said:

Plastic is flammable, isnt it? As far as beating ps4 specs...you're not going to do that with a gt 1030...if Im not mistaken, the closest comparable gpu is a rx 480...anyways, its pointless to argue...you've had several comments that this system looks to be unsafe. We arent trying to knock you down, just open your eyes that this thing can potentially be a safety hazard.

I challenge you to go to home depot or a local hardware store and buy a piece of lexan plexi glass.  Take a heat gun and attempt to melt it.  Or a 800 Degree soldering iron.  You will find that it will not catch fire.  In fact its resistant to heat surprisingly well.  It tough to even drill through that material some times.  Ps4 plastic on the other had isn't as strong.  Its soft plastic.  Buy my components are mounted to the lexan plexi glass or poly carbonate sheet.  That stuff is really strong stuff.  hard to break and even hard to melt.  Catching it on fire would be highly unlikely. 

[steelo]

53 minutes ago, HoganKevin8997 said:

I challenge you to go to home depot or a local hardware store and buy a piece of lexan plexi glass.  Take a heat gun and attempt to melt it.  Or a 800 Degree soldering iron.  You will find that it will not catch fire.  In fact its resistant to heat surprisingly well.  It tough to even drill through that material some times.  Ps4 plastic on the other had isn't as strong.  Its soft plastic.  Buy my components are mounted to the lexan plexi glass or poly carbonate sheet.  That stuff is really strong stuff.  hard to break and even hard to melt.  Catching it on fire would be highly unlikely. 

Even so, do you want to risk melting this soft plastic as a result of it making contact with a heat sink? Do you think Sony and Microsoft knowingly design products where heatsinks make contact with plastic because they 'know' that it 'probably' won't catch fire...

[HoganKevin8997]

On 3/31/2020 at 3:13 PM, steelo said:

Plastic is flammable, isnt it? As far as beating ps4 specs...you're not going to do that with a gt 1030...if Im not mistaken, the closest comparable gpu is a rx 480...anyways, its pointless to argue...you've had several comments that this system looks to be unsafe. We arent trying to knock you down, just open your eyes that this thing can potentially be a safety hazard.

They use poly carbonate material to create bullet proof glass... The lexan sheets are a thinner weaker version but it is the same material.  It has a high melting point.  Its not like regular plastic.  All my pc components are on stand offs made of metal threaded into poly carbonate sheet.  My pc components are screwed down to stand offs that are threaded or screwed into poly carbonate sheet.  It won't catch fire.  Plus i have a a dual filter protection circuit of switches and emi and rf filters on the pc power supply and a surge protector that also has a emi filter on it.  The system is safe.