Ryzen 6 1600 AF or Ryzen 5 2600X?? HELP!!

[iMxmo]

What's up everyone, hope you're having a nice day. I'm having some trouble picking my CPU. Here is my build so far.

I need some asssitance on whether to get the 1600AF 85 USD on amazon, or the 2600X which is 99.99 on Micro center

[Fasauceome]

for only $100, the 2600X is a sweet deal. $15 extra for an actually notable clock speed difference, would be worth it to me. Boost speed of 3.7 vs 4.2.

[NiyuMiya]

I would go for 2600X especially for such a slight difference in price, in terms of performance, you'll prodably not see a difference especially in Gaming. 

If you're gonna plan to Stream, Edit Some Videos, or else... I would go for 2600X again... that slight difference may pay off. 

Pretty weird dilemma if you would ask me. 

 

[iMxmo]

2 minutes ago, NiyuMiya said:

I would go for 2600X especially for such a slight difference in price, in terms of performance, you'll prodably not see a difference especially in Gaming. 

If you're gonna plan to Stream, Edit Some Videos, or else... I would go for 2600X again... that slight difference may pay off. 

Pretty weird dilemma if you would ask me. 

 

 

5 minutes ago, Fasauceome said:

for only $100, the 2600X is a sweet deal. $15 extra for an actually notable clock speed difference, would be worth it to me. Boost speed of 3.7 vs 4.2.

Yeah, it's pretty weird but good for me I guess lol! Anyways thanks for the input!

[TheDankKoosh]

49 minutes ago, iCypticx said:

What's up everyone, hope you're having a nice day. I'm having some trouble picking my CPU. Here is my build so far.

I need some asssitance on whether to get the 1600AF 85 USD on amazon, or the 2600X which is 99.99 on Micro center

DO NOT GET THE B450 STEEL LEGEND the VRM on that board is pretty bad.

I highly suggest getting the Asrock pro4 instead, it'll handle the 2600x perfectly well. Another thing that I'd change is that ssd for the 480gb L5 lite 3D since it has a DRAM cache which I consider essential on an SSD, and if you can spare the money, a switch to a 1660 super will keep this build 1080p ultra ready for a few years.

[MadAnt250]

2 hours ago, iCypticx said:

I need some asssitance on whether to get the 1600AF 85 USD on amazon, or the 2600X which is 99.99 on Micro center

The 2600X for 100 bucks is a great deal, as someone who has the same CPU I would definitely recommend it at that price. Also, you can save $20 if you bundle the CPU and motherboard together from Micro Center.

[JoostinOnline]

54 minutes ago, TheDankKoosh said:

DO NOT GET THE B450 STEEL LEGEND the VRM on that board is pretty bad.

Source?

[TheDankKoosh]

13 minutes ago, JoostinOnline said:

Source?

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1d9_E3h8bLp-TXr-0zTJFqqVxdCR9daIVNyMatydkpFA/edit#gid=611478281

[iMxmo]

1 hour ago, TheDankKoosh said:

DO NOT GET THE B450 STEEL LEGEND the VRM on that board is pretty bad.

I highly suggest getting the Asrock pro4 instead, it'll handle the 2600x perfectly well. Another thing that I'd change is that ssd for the 480gb L5 lite 3D since it has a DRAM cache which I consider essential on an SSD, and if you can spare the money, a switch to a 1660 super will keep this build 1080p ultra ready for a few years.

I dont know much about mobos, what exactly does a bad VRM do? Does it mess with temps and stuff?

[TheDankKoosh]

12 minutes ago, iCypticx said:

I dont know much about mobos, what exactly does a bad VRM do? Does it mess with temps and stuff?

The VRM comprises the power delivery components on a motherboard, the best VRMs will use japanese capacitors and really nice power stages, while cheaper boards will use regular mosfets and chinese capacitors. The B450 steel legend uses a pretty bad configuration of mosfets so it ends up being a worse choice compared to the pro4, despite having less phases (more phases are usually considered to have better voltage stability properties)

[iMxmo]

5 minutes ago, TheDankKoosh said:

The VRM comprises the power delivery components on a motherboard, the best VRMs will use japanese capacitors and really nice power stages, while cheaper boards will use regular mosfets and chinese capacitors. The B450 steel legend uses a pretty bad configuration of mosfets so it ends up being a worse choice compared to the pro4, despite having less phases (more phases are usually considered to have better voltage stability properties)

oh okay, thanks ig

[toasty99]

Some really misleading advice in here. First off, the Ryzen 2600x is faster "out of the box" than a 1600AF. The actual processor itself is otherwise identical other than the clockspeeds. You can hop into the BIOS and in 30 seconds have a 1600AF running 2600x speeds or faster. 

 

Some people think if you buy the better stock CPU you get a better binning which means the CPU will overclock better. In this case there is also a 65 watt TDP on a 16000AF vs 95 watt on the 2600x so the 1600AF has to be binned nearly as well to stay at 65 watts making this such a minor advantage if at all it's not worth pursuing. 

 

The 1600AF is $15 cheaper so buy it not the 2600x. 

 

When it comes to motherboards just buy the cheapest b450 board with 4 ram slots. On a budget build like this quality isn't a big deal. Though you can get better boards than the one listed for less money so don't buy that. 

 

This is a much higher quality ASRock board for less money. https://www.amazon.com/ASRock-MicroATX-Motherboard-B450M-PRO4/dp/B07FVYKFXF/ref=mp_s_a_1_3?keywords=asrock+b450m+pro4&qid=1585427516&sprefix=asrock+&sr=8-3

[iMxmo]

6 minutes ago, toasty99 said:

Some really misleading advice in here. First off, the Ryzen 2600x is faster "out of the box" than a 1600AF. The actual processor itself is otherwise identical other than the clockspeeds. You can hop into the BIOS and in 30 seconds have a 1600AF running 2600x speeds or faster. 

 

Some people think if you buy the better stock CPU you get a better binning which means the CPU will overclock better. In this case there is also a 65 watt TDP on a 16000AF vs 95 watt on the 2600x so the 1600AF has to be binned nearly as well to stay at 65 watts making this such a minor advantage if at all it's not worth pursuing. 

 

The 1600AF is $15 cheaper so buy it not the 2600x. 

 

When it comes to motherboards just buy the cheapest b450 board with 4 ram slots. On a budget build like this quality isn't a big deal. Though you can get better boards than the one listed for less money so don't buy that. 

 

This is a much higher quality ASRock board for less money. https://www.amazon.com/ASRock-MicroATX-Motherboard-B450M-PRO4/dp/B07FVYKFXF/ref=mp_s_a_1_3?keywords=asrock+b450m+pro4&qid=1585427516&sprefix=asrock+&sr=8-3

Won't the 2600x overclock higher? To 4.6ghz if I'm correct. Also I chose the 2600x anyways since I can buy it with my other parts from the same website

[TheDankKoosh]

2 minutes ago, toasty99 said:

Some really misleading advice in here. First off, the Ryzen 2600x is faster "out of the box" than a 1600AF. The actual processor itself is otherwise identical other than the clockspeeds. You can hop into the BIOS and in 30 seconds have a 1600AF running 2600x speeds or faster. 

 

Some people think if you buy the better stock CPU you get a better binning which means the CPU will overclock better. In this case there is also a 65 watt TDP on a 16000AF vs 95 watt on the 2600x so the 1600AF has to be binned nearly as well to stay at 65 watts making this such a minor advantage if at all it's not worth pursuing. 

 

The 1600AF is $15 cheaper so buy it not the 2600x. 

 

When it comes to motherboards just buy the cheapest b450 board with 4 ram slots. On a budget build like this quality isn't a big deal. Though you can get better boards than the one listed for less money so don't buy that. 

The 2600x is most definitely going to be a better bin than the 1600af 100% of the time, look at my sig and you'll know the pain that I've experienced when trying to oc this thing.

[toasty99]

5 minutes ago, TheDankKoosh said:

The 2600x is most definitely going to be a better bin than the 1600af 100% of the time, look at my sig and you'll know the pain that I've experienced when trying to oc this thing.

You sure yours is an AF? That's worse than my old 1600 did on the stock cooler. 

[TheDankKoosh]

20 minutes ago, toasty99 said:

You sure yours is an AF? That's worse than my old 1600 did on the stock cooler. 

i am defintely positive that this is a 1600af

[JoostinOnline]

9 hours ago, TheDankKoosh said:

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1d9_E3h8bLp-TXr-0zTJFqqVxdCR9daIVNyMatydkpFA/edit#gid=611478281

It recommends minor airflow if you're overclocking a high end CPU.  It's fine for a 2600X.  It's decent for a B450 motherboard.  I've built three systems with it.  Not outstanding, but it's fine if you aren't doing major overclocking on an 8+ core CPU.

[TheDankKoosh]

14 hours ago, JoostinOnline said:

It recommends minor airflow if you're overclocking a high end CPU.  It's fine for a 2600X.  It's decent for a B450 motherboard.  I've built three systems with it.  Not outstanding, but it's fine if you aren't doing major overclocking on an 8+ core CPU.

Why choose it over the pro4 then? They're the same price with very similar features, why choose something worse for the same price? Also, minor airflow means a fan pointing directly at the board at low speeds, not the kind of airflow you'll be getting through a case.

[JoostinOnline]

4 hours ago, TheDankKoosh said:

Why choose it over the pro4 then? They're the same price with very similar features, why choose something worse for the same price? Also, minor airflow means a fan pointing directly at the board at low speeds, not the kind of airflow you'll be getting through a case.

Because some people care more about aesthetics than overclocking a high end CPU. The Steel Series has built in RGB, and a good enough VRM for a modest overclock. Most people don't even overclock at all. I'm also aware of what minor airflow means, but again, that's if you're overclocking a high end CPU, which the 1600 or 2600X isn't.

[TheDankKoosh]

1 hour ago, JoostinOnline said:

Because some people care more about aesthetics than overclocking a high end CPU. The Steel Series has built in RGB, and a good enough VRM for a modest overclock. Most people don't even overclock at all. I'm also aware of what minor airflow means, but again, that's if you're overclocking a high end CPU, which the 1600 or 2600X isn't.

I wouldn't call the 2600x or 1600af high end, but they definitely can draw more than that 75A rating that's given in the spreadsheet since zen+ has more power leakage on the 12nm process compared to 14nm and 7nm respectively, I still don't know why you are so adamant about the steel legend even though it is an objectively worse product at the same price.

[JoostinOnline]

19 minutes ago, TheDankKoosh said:

I wouldn't call the 2600x or 1600af high end, but they definitely can draw more than that 75A rating that's given in the spreadsheet since zen+ has more power leakage on the 12nm process compared to 14nm and 7nm respectively, I still don't know why you are so adamant about the steel legend even though it is an objectively worse product at the same price.

It's not objectively worse. It's subjectively worse. That's the point I'm trying to make. You made it sound like a ticking time bomb, which it isn't.

 

@iCypticx It really depends on if you care more about looks or performance. It won't make any difference at stock speeds, but if you want to overclock it might, so keep that in mind. I don't want to pressure you either way. It's your decision, and there isn't a wrong answer so long as you're happy. If you don't like RGB or don't want a windowed case, there's absolutely no reason not to get the B350 one, as the Steel Series only real advantage is aesthetic.

[GreyestGoat]

The 2600X is objectively better, for the small difference, it is worth it.

[Fasauceome]

On 3/28/2020 at 3:29 PM, toasty99 said:

Some really misleading advice in here. First off, the Ryzen 2600x is faster "out of the box" than a 1600AF. The actual processor itself is otherwise identical other than the clockspeeds. You can hop into the BIOS and in 30 seconds have a 1600AF running 2600x speeds or faster. 

 

Some people think if you buy the better stock CPU you get a better binning which means the CPU will overclock better. In this case there is also a 65 watt TDP on a 16000AF vs 95 watt on the 2600x so the 1600AF has to be binned nearly as well to stay at 65 watts making this such a minor advantage if at all it's not worth pursuing. 

 

The 1600AF is $15 cheaper so buy it not the 2600x. 

 

 

You're not hopping in the BIOS and doing a 500MHz OC on a Ryzen processor with the stock cooler, just not gonna happen. The 2600X is $15 worth of clock speeds basically. 

 

Yeah if you spend money on a better cooler and a better board with better power delivery you'll have a chance and getting a .5GHz OC but by that point why bother, when the 2600X does the same thing without tweaking.

[GreyestGoat]

47 minutes ago, TheDankKoosh said:

I wouldn't call the 2600x or 1600af high end, but they definitely can draw more than that 75A rating that's given in the spreadsheet since zen+ has more power leakage on the 12nm process compared to 14nm and 7nm respectively, I still don't know why you are so adamant about the steel legend even though it is an objectively worse product at the same price.

The Aurus Elite seems bad on there yet is recommended by Buildzoid and has zero problems overclocking my 2600X to it's max.

[TheDankKoosh]

On 3/28/2020 at 4:36 PM, iCypticx said:

Won't the 2600x overclock higher? To 4.6ghz if I'm correct. Also I chose the 2600x anyways since I can buy it with my other parts from the same website

The 2600x will definitely not do 4.6ghz, 4.3 is around the max for zen+ unless you get a top 5% chip, typical chips do 4.2 on all cores, where as you're not even guaranteed 4.1 on a 1600af. For $15 extra I'd go for the 2600x and a b450 pro4