Planning for First custom loop

[W-L]

4 minutes ago, DominicNikon said:

oh ok. i was wondering because the oc edition has an extra heatsink where the g1 gaming has a thermal pad attached to the cooler

That will need to be removed, the water block will have a thermal pad and section that will make contact instead.

[LIGISTX]

On 1/2/2020 at 8:11 AM, DominicNikon said:

Thank you! what engineering did you do? I'm going into Aerospace Engineering

I just found out i can do a 420mm on top of my case

I started as mechanical and ended up as industrial with a BS and MS in it. Worked out well.

[DominicNikon]

6 hours ago, W-L said:

That will need to be removed

Ok, thank you. would you trust chinese off brands for the water blocks like the one you sent me from ebay? Since i couldn't find any used ones at the moment 

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19 minutes ago, DominicNikon said:

Ok, thank you. would you trust chinese off brands for the water blocks like the one you sent me from ebay? Since i couldn't find any used ones at the moment 

Bykski and Barrow are very large in Asia and getting more common here also in North America, I've installed and used blocks and components from both manufacture's and in terms of quality they hold up to name brands. The main thing you may lack is some customer support or spare parts if things need replacing

[DominicNikon]

On 1/4/2020 at 7:06 PM, W-L said:

Bykski and Barrow are very large in Asia and getting more common here also in North America, I've installed and used blocks and components from both manufacture's and in terms of quality they hold up to name brands. The main thing you may lack is some customer support or spare parts if things need replacing

ok, thank you. also have you heard of hardware labs black ice radiators? they seem to have significantly higher heat output then ekwb or corsair radiators, one of their 480mm rads has 2400 watts of heat output

http://hardwarelabs.com/nemesis/gtr/gtr-480/

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24 minutes ago, DominicNikon said:

ok, thank you. also have you heard of hardware labs black ice radiators? they seem to have significantly higher heat output then ekwb or corsair radiators, one of their 480mm rads has 2400 watts of heat output

http://hardwarelabs.com/nemesis/gtr/gtr-480/

I wouldn’t worry about heat capacity as that mainly depends on fans and surface area or essentially fin density. The higher the FPI the more cooling potential but harder the fans need to work to push air through the fin array. 

 

For mostly silent build a thinner rad or one that is thicker but a slightly lower FPI will be more suited for that situation.

[DominicNikon]

14 minutes ago, W-L said:

I wouldn’t worry about heat capacity as that mainly depends on fans and surface area or essentially fin density. The higher the FPI the more cooling potential but harder the fans need to work to push air through the fin array. 

 

For mostly silent build a thinner rad or one that is thicker but a slightly lower FPI will be more suited for that situation.

so would there be any benefit in the black ice radiators since they have such higher heat output? An employee at microcenter said that black ice radiators would be the best way to go because of there heat output.  i also decided im changing out my case since im doing a full build just reusing gpus

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1 hour ago, DominicNikon said:

so would there be any benefit in the black ice radiators since they have such higher heat output? An employee at microcenter said that black ice radiators would be the best way to go because of there heat output.  i also decided im changing out my case since im doing a full build just reusing gpus

There is no standardized way to measure it so it doesn't mean much as each manufacture essentially will put a number to their method of testing. It's best to choose one that suits your build requirements by balancing, silence, cooling potential bearing in mind the fans and size limitations of your case. 

 

The hardwarelabs radiators are a good quality rad though that I would recommend. 

[DominicNikon]

35 minutes ago, W-L said:

The hardwarelabs radiators are a good quality rad though that I would recommend. 

ok, sounds good. i decided to change my build because i'm going to college next year and before i go i'm going to build a dream build since i still live with my parents and can save money. 

The build is going to be a ryzen 9 3900 and im keeping my two 980s but i plan on getting the phanteks luxe 2 full tower case and doing a 480mm 53mm thick black ice radiator in the front and a 360mm black ice radiator on the top for a total of 3100 watts of cooling power, EKWB puts the estimated liquid temperature at  23C. 

 

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2 minutes ago, DominicNikon said:

ok, sounds good. i decided to change my build because i'm going to college next year and before i go i'm going to build a dream build since i still live with my parents and can save money. 

The build is going to be a ryzen 9 3900 and im keeping my two 980s but i plan on getting the phanteks luxe 2 full tower case and doing a 480mm 53mm thick black ice radiator in the front and a 360mm black ice radiator on the top for a total of 3100 watts of cooling power, EKWB puts the estimated liquid temperature at  23C. 

 

A 480mm and 360mm rad would be more than enough for a single CPU and dual GPU and still provide you silent cooling at load. 

[DominicNikon]

10 minutes ago, W-L said:

A 480mm and 360mm rad would be more than enough for a single CPU and dual GPU and still provide you silent cooling at load. 

That's good. in terms of radiators how does black ice achieve such higher cooling power? a black ice 480mm 53mm thick gets 2400 watts when an ekwb 480mm 60mm thick gets 957 watts, so the black ice radiator has 1,443 watts higher cooling power at 1000rpm fan speed

[bowrilla]

1 hour ago, DominicNikon said:

ok, sounds good. i decided to change my build because i'm going to college next year and before i go i'm going to build a dream build since i still live with my parents and can save money. 

The build is going to be a ryzen 9 3900 and im keeping my two 980s but i plan on getting the phanteks luxe 2 full tower case and doing a 480mm 53mm thick black ice radiator in the front and a 360mm black ice radiator on the top for a total of 3100 watts of cooling power, EKWB puts the estimated liquid temperature at  23C. 

 

You sure you want such a huge case when you go to college and most likely live in a dorm? A 480 rad would be more than sufficient to cool your build, probably with a little higher water temps in the higher 20 lower 30 ballpark (under load). You can still run that thing quietly on low fan revs, the coolant temps will go a bit up but you're still fine. Even a 360 rad would work. Make sure to get good fans. The EKWB ones aren't good so you're better off with either Noctua Redux, beQuiet Silent Wings 3 or beQuiet Pure Wings 2. Decent pressure, pretty quiet, good RPM range (especially the beQuiet ones).  

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4 hours ago, DominicNikon said:

That's good. in terms of radiators how does black ice achieve such higher cooling power? a black ice 480mm 53mm thick gets 2400 watts when an ekwb 480mm 60mm thick gets 957 watts, so the black ice radiator has 1,443 watts higher cooling power at 1000rpm fan speed

This is due to the double row or split fin array giving it more surface area for possible cooling on the black ice unit. Doing so also makes it more difficult for fans to push or pull the air through the rad as it increases it's restriction. 

 

However as said testing is not standardized so the numbers really aren't compared with each other, unless you take the exact same parameters to test with both rads.

 

[DominicNikon]

12 hours ago, bowrilla said:

EKWB ones aren't good so you're better off with either Noctua Redux, beQuiet Silent Wings 3 or beQuiet Pure Wings 2

i did not know that. what do you think of these fans? they have 3.95mmh20 static pressure

https://noctua.at/en/nf-f12-industrialppc-2000-pwm/specification

[DominicNikon]

9 hours ago, W-L said:

Doing so also makes it more difficult for fans to push or pull the air through the rad as it increases it's restriction. 

is 3.95mmh20 enough static pressure for those radiators?

https://noctua.at/en/nf-f12-industrialppc-2000-pwm/specification

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8 minutes ago, DominicNikon said:

is 3.95mmh20 enough static pressure for those radiators?

https://noctua.at/en/nf-f12-industrialppc-2000-pwm/specification

Those are very good pressure fans, but personally I don't recommend them if you want a silent build because the IPPC fans even when turned down are still audible. You would better to get the regular NF-F12 in chromax black or NF-A12 units if dead silence was what you are aiming for. 

[DominicNikon]

26 minutes ago, W-L said:

NF-F12

would the 2.61mm h20 be enough static pressure for a 53mm thick black ice radiator?

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16 minutes ago, DominicNikon said:

would the 2.61mm h20 be enough static pressure for a 53mm thick black ice radiator?

Long as the fan is a pressure optimized fan it will be good, and 2.63mmh20 is respectable.

[bowrilla]

3 hours ago, DominicNikon said:

is 3.95mmh20 enough static pressure for those radiators?

https://noctua.at/en/nf-f12-industrialppc-2000-pwm/specification

They're great but LOUD!

 

The maximum static pressure is only some indicator. You are not running your fans at max speed. Ever. No matter the load. You'll probably dial them in at around 500-700rpm and leave them there for good. Higher radiator fan rpms will not directly transfer into lower CPU temps. The limiting factor here is the heat transfer between your block and the CPU. As long as the fans are optimized for pressure and as long as you can dial them down well, they'll be fine. There's no point in hunting for the most pressure you can get. Go for a good balance between pressure and noise levels. The Noctua Redux ones are pretty nice, the Chromax are good (iirc), personally after having tested a few in my system, I'd always go with the Silen Wings 3 or Pure Wings 2. I will switch out my Industrial PPC 140cm 2000rpm PWM ones on my radiator when I redo the loop. That's for sure.