RX 570 at 109 quid, worth it?

[leon12321]

I don't know whether I should...

- Wait for the RX 570 to continue to drop in price,

- Forget about the 109 quid RX 570 and go for the RX 580 for 124.88 quid,

- Or just go for the RX 570 8GB for 127 quid (however I'm not planning to play at 1440p or 4k so I'm happy to stick with my 4GB VRAM)?

 

RX 570 - https://www.cclonline.com/product/231987/GV-RX570GAMING-4GD/Graphics-Cards/Gigabyte-Radeon-RX-570-Gaming-4G-4GB-Graphics-Card-Dual-link-DVI-D/HDMI/Display-Port/VGA3804/

 

RX 580 - https://www.amazon.co.uk/ASUS-DUAL-RX580-O4G-Radeon-Express-Graphics/dp/B071NS93PH

 

RX 570 8GB - https://www.amazon.co.uk/XFX-Radeon-1286MHz-Graphics-RX-570P8DFD6/dp/B077VX31FZ/ref=sr_1_1?keywords=rx+570+8gb&qid=1577830647&s=computers&sr=1-1

 

PC BUILD: https://uk.pcpartpicker.com/user/leon12321/saved/8PnZf7

 

 

[Jurrunio]

RX 570 4GB will do, extra budget goes to getting a 2x8GB 3000MHz+ kit.

[Jumballi]

it's a great value, but most games today want more. my recommendation is to keep on keeping on and save up into the 200+ range, rumor has it that there are some new cards being announced at ces.

[leon12321]

2 minutes ago, Jurrunio said:

RX 570 4GB will do, extra budget goes to getting a 2x8GB 3000MHz+ kit.

I don't need a 16 GB kit as I won't be doing much multitasking or leaving applications open. 

 

By the time work loads in university for instance, that's when I might have to upgrade but I have the spare 2 DIMM slots if I need upgrading. 

[leon12321]

3 minutes ago, Jumballi said:

it's a great value, but most games today want more. my recommendation is to keep on keeping on and save up into the 200+ range, rumor has it that there are some new cards being announced at ces.

Like what games?

[Jumballi]

3 minutes ago, leon12321 said:

Like what games?

just newer triple A titles like RDR2 or sekiro, for older titles it'll be fine

 

[Jurrunio]

5 minutes ago, leon12321 said:

I don't need a 16 GB kit as I won't be doing much multitasking or leaving applications open. 

I crack 8GB easily with just browsing and gaming , besides a 16GB kit is just 53 pounds, so 15 pounds more than the 8GB kit. Really makes the lower capacity one look bad in value.

 

[Jumballi]

10 minutes ago, leon12321 said:

I don't need a 16 GB kit as I won't be doing much multitasking or leaving applications open. 

 

By the time work loads in university for instance, that's when I might have to upgrade but I have the spare 2 DIMM slots if I need upgrading. 

8gb is definitely not enough, you're shooting yourself in the foot at that point

[leon12321]

2 minutes ago, Jurrunio said:

I crack 8GB easily with just browsing and gaming , besides a 16GB kit is just 53 pounds, so 15 pounds more than the 8GB kit. Really makes the lower capacity one look bad in value.

 

Hm, if it was only 53 pounds, I'd buy it immediately.

 

You probably got that price from pcpartpicker but unfortunately it's not 53 pounds. It's now 77 pounds which is why I'm buying the 8GB kit. The Amazon equivalent is 67.14 pounds so still no luck. 

[leon12321]

Just now, Jumballi said:

8gb is definitely not enough, you're shooting yourself in the foot at that point

I'm using 8GB right now.

[mariushm]

I sold a 4GB RX 470 for equivalent of 45 GBP in my country's currency last week.

Have a RX 570 4 GB listed for 62 GBP (in local currency) and theres too many, everyone offers 55 gbp or less.

 

Hit eBay UK and find a used RX 580 for under 100 gbp, they're fairly safe buys.

 

If you go local you'll probably get better prices as ebay takes something like 10% in fees so sellers on ebay include that in price.

 

 

examples (make offers for 5-15% less, can't hurt, esp if seller has more than 1)

 

95 XFX Radeon RX 580 GTS XXX Edition OC+ 4 GB GDDR5 3xDP - HDMI - DVI-D | eBay

99 AMD Radeon RX580 4GB GPU ASUS DUAL-RX580-O4G | eBay

 

95 (5 avail) Sapphire AMD Radeon RX 570 4GB NITRO+ Graphics Card 689742895046 | eBay

89 (5 avail) Asus Radeon RX570 Strix 4GB GDDR5 OC Gaming Edition AMD 4712900710274 | eBay

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[leon12321]

Just now, mariushm said:

I sold a 4GB RX 470 for equivalent of 45 GBP in my country's currency last week.

Have a RX 570 4 GB listed for 62 GBP (in local currency) and theres too many, everyone offers 55 gbp or less.

 

Hit eBay UK and find a used RX 580 for under 100 gbp, they're fairly safe buys.

 

examples (make offers for 5-15% less, can't hurt, esp if seller has more than 1)

 

95 XFX Radeon RX 580 GTS XXX Edition OC+ 4 GB GDDR5 3xDP - HDMI - DVI-D | eBay

99 AMD Radeon RX580 4GB GPU ASUS DUAL-RX580-O4G | eBay

 

95 (5 avail) Sapphire AMD Radeon RX 570 4GB NITRO+ Graphics Card 689742895046 | eBay

89 (5 avail) Asus Radeon RX570 Strix 4GB GDDR5 OC Gaming Edition AMD 4712900710274 | eBay

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Hm sorry, I'm not interested in used parts, had really bad experiences with used parts from EBAY. I'm still really content with the price of the RX 570 right now and 124 quid is fine as well for the RX 580.

[leon12321]

7 minutes ago, Jumballi said:

8gb is definitely not enough, you're shooting yourself in the foot at that point

Looks fine to me... 

[cesh me inside b0z]

10 minutes ago, leon12321 said:

Looks fine to me... 

Most people posting that 8GB is not enough don't understand that Windows uses more RAM the more RAM you give it, so will look like 8GB is not enough if you are using a 16GB kit. People used to and still do this with Vram also, where it is just cached, not used.

[mariushm]

8 GB is enough is you have a SSD and you don't mind the SSD being trashed with swap file writes.

 

Yes, Windows will use the free memory available to cache files and various things. In the case of a game like Tomb Raider, it will cache level data (textures background music etc) and the game will also cache more stuff if it detects there's enough memory.

If there's less memory, the game may have to constantly retrieve textures and content from the drive to put it in ram before it's transferred into the video card, and will have to delete content often to make room for content needed for the next level (or next area of the game)

 

With a SSD, these "loading" periods are less noticeable but Windows may write to page file more often and you'll eat into the SSDs endurance, which fortunately is big enough these days ( a TB or so of writes per day for 3-5 years of SSD life)

 

As for video cards, let's say a video card has 4 GB of memory , the game may use only 2-3 GB of active data to render the frames in one location and the rest of 1 GB or so would be textures and data that were previously used and may show up again (like the textures of the walls of a cave for example, or textures of items you find in crates). If you don't have enough ram and use ultra high quality settings, you end up with very little room to cache textures and stuff in the video card, so the game will constantly have to throw up textures from the video card ram and "upload" the needed textures into the video card as needed - in order to do this upload process, the content needs to be put in computer ram first, you can't transfer directly from ssd into the video card.

 

[leon12321]

7 minutes ago, F77 said:

Most people posting that 8GB is not enough don't understand that Windows uses more RAM the more RAM you give it, so will look like 8GB is not enough if you are using a 16GB kit. People used to and still do this with Vram also, where it is just cached, not used.

Couldn't have said it better myself, thank you.

[cesh me inside b0z]

1 minute ago, mariushm said:

8 GB is enough is you have a SSD and you don't mind the SSD being trashed with swap file writes.

 

Yes, Windows will use the free memory available to cache files and various things. In the case of a game like Tomb Raider, it will cache level data (textures background music etc) and the game will also cache more stuff if it detects there's enough memory.

If there's less memory, the game may have to constantly retrieve textures and content from the drive to put it in ram before it's transferred into the video card, and will have to delete content often to make room for content needed for the next level (or next area of the game)

 

With a SSD, these "loading" periods are less noticeable but Windows may write to page file more often and you'll eat into the SSDs endurance, which fortunately is big enough these days ( a TB or so of writes per day for 3-5 years of SSD life)

 

I have a HDD build and never used all my 8GB, 5900RPM laptop HDD, 500GB. Stop please.

[Jurrunio]

29 minutes ago, leon12321 said:

Hm, if it was only 53 pounds, I'd buy it immediately.

 

You probably got that price from pcpartpicker but unfortunately it's not 53 pounds. It's now 77 pounds which is why I'm buying the 8GB kit. The Amazon equivalent is 67.14 pounds so still no luck. 

Then where are you looking at?

 

And are you targeting Corsair Vengeance LPX specifically? That will also lead to increased price.

[mariushm]

Just now, F77 said:

I have a HDD build and never used all my 8GB, 5900RPM laptop HDD, 500GB. Stop please.

You're one of millions of people, your unique example doesn't make something true or applicable to everything.

 

Also, you're not saying anything about resolution used, graphical quality, technical properties of the video card (you may have 4 GB on the video card but if it's an old gpu chip that forces the game to use old shaders and low quality textures, those 4 GB on video card will never be filled, which in turns makes the game not use a lot of RAM)

 

ex a game may detect a R9 370 and default to 1024x1024 textures because they determined the performance tanks with bigger textures, so even if you set the "preset" to high quality, you'd get 1024x1024 textures. Or, some effect like volumetric fog, or fancy hair is disabled by default because it causes too high drop in performance.

 

In contrast,  if you have a RX 580, the game may say "oh, this gpu chip is powerful enough to work with 2048x2048 textures when the "high quality" preset is selected ... the difference is these textures use several times more memory.

[cesh me inside b0z]

1 minute ago, mariushm said:

You're one of millions of people, your unique example doesn't make something true or applicable to everything.

 

Also, you're not saying anything about resolution used, graphical quality, technical properties of the video card (you may have 4 GB on the video card but if it's an old gpu chip that forces the game to use old shaders and low quality textures, those 4 GB on video card will never be filled, which in turns makes the game not use a lot of RAM)

 

ex a game may detect a R9 370 and default to 1024x1024 textures because they determined the performance tanks with bigger textures, so even if you set the "preset" to high quality, you'd get 1024x1024 textures. Or, some effect like volumetric fog, or fancy hair is disabled by default because it causes too high drop in performance.

 

In contrast,  if you have a RX 580, the game may say "oh, this gpu chip is powerful enough to work with 2048x2048 textures when the "high quality" preset is selected ... the difference is these textures use several times more memory.

You are making up scenario's to back your claim.

 

 

Video memory, that is not system RAM.

[leon12321]

3 minutes ago, Jurrunio said:

Then where are you looking at?

 

And are you targeting Corsair Vengeance LPX specifically? That will also lead to increased price.

All branded 16GB 3000MHz RAM are <60 quid at every retailer.

[mariushm]

You have GSkill Aegis 1x8 GB 3000 Mhz CL16 for 24 gbp : https://www.amazon.co.uk/dp/B01HFR9TPC

 

buy 2 for 48 GBP ... the Ryzen 1st gen will not handle well more than 3200 mhz anyway. Or just buy one stick now and a 2nd one later when you have more money. Yes, performance will suffer with only 1 stick but you won't die for a few weeks with just 1 stick.

 

edit... noticed it's 29 gbp now on amazon uk, seems the pcpartpicker isn't updated.

 

There's a 2x8 3000 Team Vulcan for 50 gbp ... est. arrival on the 9th : https://www.overclockers.co.uk/team-group-vulcan-t-force-16gb-2x8gb-ddr4-pc4-24000c16-3000mhz-dual-channel-kit-grey-tlgd416g30-my-087-tg.html

 

 

[Jurrunio]

6 minutes ago, F77 said:

You are making up scenario's to back your claim.

Is it something you can face when playing the game? If yes, then it's valid.

[KaitouX]

16GB G.SKILL Ripjaws 4 CL15 3000MHz for £55

https://www.amazon.co.uk/dp/B011SMRX9E

 

Getting more memory is always better.

[leon12321]

4 minutes ago, KaitouX said:

G.SKILL Ripjaws 4 CL15 3000MHz for £55

https://www.amazon.co.uk/dp/B011SMRX9E

 

Getting more memory is always better.

Oh NICE, tysm.