Is intel still better for a gaming pc in 2019

[Ah2004]

the title tells everything but if it is intel can anyone help me build a mini itx pc build for around 1200 dollars max 1300 

 

cpu - any intel or amd i dont know

cpu cooler - the black skinny noctua one

motherboard - all thats necessary is Bluetooth and wifi 

storage - m.2 ssd and a 2tb hdd

Gpu - guide me i am looking towards nividia it would be awesome if can throw in a 2060 super

case - i dont know but i want it to be compact

psu - dont really care which one 

 

this is my first build(like for real this time.. its like actually happening)

i know llt comunity is awesome so plz help me have a good experence oh just incase your wondering i wanna game and do autocad

THX for the help in advance

 

my current computer

http://www.barebonekit.net/gateway-nv54-15-6-intel-t4200-laptop_i_ltpgatnvms22730.aspx

 

[Fasauceome]

mini ITX you say?

PCPartPicker Part List

Type	Item	Price
CPU	AMD Ryzen 5 3600 3.6 GHz 6-Core Processor	$194.79 @ OutletPC
Motherboard	Gigabyte X570 I AORUS PRO WIFI Mini ITX AM4 Motherboard	$219.39 @ OutletPC
Memory	GeIL EVO SPEAR 16 GB (2 x 8 GB) DDR4-3200 Memory	$62.99 @ Newegg
Storage	Intel 660p Series 1.02 TB M.2-2280 NVME Solid State Drive	$94.00 @ B&H
Video Card	PowerColor Radeon RX 5700 XT 8 GB Red Dragon Video Card	$409.99 @ Amazon
Case	Silverstone SG13 Mini ITX Tower Case	$57.99 @ B&H
Power Supply	Corsair SF 600 W 80+ Platinum Certified Fully Modular SFX Power Supply	$139.99 @ Corsair
Case Fan	Corsair Air Series AF120 Red 52.19 CFM 120 mm Fan	$10.89 @ OutletPC
	Prices include shipping, taxes, rebates, and discounts
	Total (before mail-in rebates)	$1210.03
	Mail-in rebates	-$20.00
	Total	$1190.03
	Generated by PCPartPicker 2019-10-27 22:38 EDT-0400

 

[Gegger]

intel cpus are still better at gaming, but the price-to-performance of AMD is much better

 

also i'd go with fasauceome's build

[SleepingGiant]

15 minutes ago, Fasauceome said:

mini ITX you say?

PCPartPicker Part List

Type	Item	Price
CPU	AMD Ryzen 5 3600 3.6 GHz 6-Core Processor	$194.79 @ OutletPC
Motherboard	Gigabyte X570 I AORUS PRO WIFI Mini ITX AM4 Motherboard	$219.39 @ OutletPC
Memory	GeIL EVO SPEAR 16 GB (2 x 8 GB) DDR4-3200 Memory	$62.99 @ Newegg
Storage	Intel 660p Series 1.02 TB M.2-2280 NVME Solid State Drive	$94.00 @ B&H
Video Card	PowerColor Radeon RX 5700 XT 8 GB Red Dragon Video Card	$409.99 @ Amazon
Case	Silverstone SG13 Mini ITX Tower Case	$57.99 @ B&H
Power Supply	Corsair SF 600 W 80+ Platinum Certified Fully Modular SFX Power Supply	$139.99 @ Corsair
Case Fan	Corsair Air Series AF120 Red 52.19 CFM 120 mm Fan	$10.89 @ OutletPC
	Prices include shipping, taxes, rebates, and discounts
	Total (before mail-in rebates)	$1210.03
	Mail-in rebates	-$20.00
	Total	$1190.03
	Generated by PCPartPicker 2019-10-27 22:38 EDT-0400

 

This is actually nice. 

Go for this.

[Turtle Rig]

22 minutes ago, Fasauceome said:

mini ITX you say?

PCPartPicker Part List

Type	Item	Price
CPU	AMD Ryzen 5 3600 3.6 GHz 6-Core Processor	$194.79 @ OutletPC
Motherboard	Gigabyte X570 I AORUS PRO WIFI Mini ITX AM4 Motherboard	$219.39 @ OutletPC
Memory	GeIL EVO SPEAR 16 GB (2 x 8 GB) DDR4-3200 Memory	$62.99 @ Newegg
Storage	Intel 660p Series 1.02 TB M.2-2280 NVME Solid State Drive	$94.00 @ B&H
Video Card	PowerColor Radeon RX 5700 XT 8 GB Red Dragon Video Card	$409.99 @ Amazon
Case	Silverstone SG13 Mini ITX Tower Case	$57.99 @ B&H
Power Supply	Corsair SF 600 W 80+ Platinum Certified Fully Modular SFX Power Supply	$139.99 @ Corsair
Case Fan	Corsair Air Series AF120 Red 52.19 CFM 120 mm Fan	$10.89 @ OutletPC
	Prices include shipping, taxes, rebates, and discounts
	Total (before mail-in rebates)	$1210.03
	Mail-in rebates	-$20.00
	Total	$1190.03
	Generated by PCPartPicker 2019-10-27 22:38 EDT-0400

 

Nooo you did it again Fasauceome lol.  The 2700x is 200.  I dont thionk a 6 core 3600 can beat a 8 core 2018 top CPU.  I would def do x470 board and a 2700x ........  2 more cores 4 threads and AMDs top dog of 2018 consumer.  Sorry had to step in Fasau guru man.  If Im wrong feel free to point it out.

[Herman Mcpootis]

35 minutes ago, Ah2004 said:

the title tells everything but if it is intel can anyone help me build a mini itx pc build for around 1200 dollars max 1300 

which country? need os/monitor/peripherals?

[Fasauceome]

2 minutes ago, Turtle Rig said:

Nooo you did it again Fasauceome lol.  The 2700x is 200.  I dont thionk a 6 core 3600 can beat a 8 core 2018 top CPU.  I would def do x470 board and a 2700x ........  2 more cores 4 threads and AMDs top dog of 2018 consumer.  Sorry had to step in Fasau guru man.  If Im wrong feel free to point it out.

for gaming, I'd rather have the 3600, but if OP needs 8 cores for some other workload it would make sense, OP didn't really specify

 

[Turtle Rig]

1 minute ago, Fasauceome said:

for gaming, I'd rather have the 3600, but if OP needs 8 cores for some other workload it would make sense, OP didn't really specify

 

As usual well said chief.  Your right about what you said.  Now that I remember the 8700k is solid as heck for gaming and near the 9900k and its 6 core so ya makes sense.  But if he uses Premiere or CAD or other designer software then I recommend the x470 and 2700x   ...... Gaming will be just fine as well.  A 2080 Ti would fly on this CPU.  Not same frame rate as 9900k but close enough. 

[SnowyMus]

42 minutes ago, Ah2004 said:

the title tells everything but if it is intel can anyone help me build a mini itx pc build for around 1200 dollars max 1300 

 

cpu - any intel or amd i dont know

cpu cooler - the black skinny noctua one

motherboard - all thats necessary is Bluetooth and wifi 

storage - m.2 ssd and a 2tb hdd

Gpu - guide me i am looking towards nividia it would be awesome if can throw in a 2060 super

case - i dont know but i want it to be compact

psu - dont really care which one 

 

this is my first build(like for real this time.. its like actually happening)

i know llt comunity is awesome so plz help me have a good experence oh just incase your wondering i wanna game and do autocad

THX for the help in advance

 

my current computer

http://www.barebonekit.net/gateway-nv54-15-6-intel-t4200-laptop_i_ltpgatnvms22730.aspx

 

To answer the question in the topic name, that depends.

 

If you're on a budget (which, according to your post, you are), the AMD Ryzen 5 3600 basically reigns supreme at its current price point for gaming, and the AMD Ryzen 7 2700X as an 8C / 16T is the best option for productivity at its price point (if buying new).

 

This isn't to say that Intel doesn't have options, though. The Intel Core i5-9400F is a considerably cheaper although considerably slower alternative to the AMD Ryzen 5 3600, and the Intel Core i5-9600K is a faster, more expensive part than the AMD Ryzen 5 3600, though that CPU has even more costs through having to buy a cooler and, if you want to overclock, a more expensive motherboard. Generally, AMD is the better value here, though.

 

If money is no object, then the Intel Core i9-9900K and Intel Core i9-9900KF are the best gaming CPUs you can get. You pay a lot, but you get a lot of FPS. Even so, if you wanted to use your PC for more than just gaming such as streaming, the AMD Ryzen 9 3900X can sometimes be a better option.

 

Just now, Turtle Rig said:

Nooo you did it again Fasauceome lol.  The 2700x is 200.  I dont thionk a 6 core 3600 can beat a 8 core 2018 top CPU.  I would def do x470 board and a 2700x ........  2 more cores 4 threads and AMDs top dog of 2018 consumer.  Sorry had to step in Fasau guru man.  If Im wrong feel free to point it out.

I suppose this depends, too.

 

Does the OP want faster gaming or faster productivity? The AMD Ryzen 5 3600 can do productivity well, but it's better at gaming, while the AMD Ryzen 7 2700X can do gaming well, but it's better at productivity.

 

For what I personally do, having more cores that are still pretty fast helps me a lot more than just having cores that are faster. I think for what the OP is doing, this is probably the better option.

 

As for getting an X470 board, that mostly depends on what features the OP needs.

[Ah2004]

18 hours ago, Kavawuvi said:

To answer the question in the topic name, that depends.

 

If you're on a budget (which, according to your post, you are), the AMD Ryzen 5 3600 basically reigns supreme at its current price point for gaming, and the AMD Ryzen 7 2700X as an 8C / 16T is the best option for productivity at its price point (if buying new).

 

This isn't to say that Intel doesn't have options, though. The Intel Core i5-9400F is a considerably cheaper although considerably slower alternative to the AMD Ryzen 5 3600, and the Intel Core i5-9600K is a faster, more expensive part than the AMD Ryzen 5 3600, though that CPU has even more costs through having to buy a cooler and, if you want to overclock, a more expensive motherboard. Generally, AMD is the better value here, though.

 

If money is no object, then the Intel Core i9-9900K and Intel Core i9-9900KF are the best gaming CPUs you can get. You pay a lot, but you get a lot of FPS. Even so, if you wanted to use your PC for more than just gaming such as streaming, the AMD Ryzen 9 3900X can sometimes be a better option.

 

I suppose this depends, too.

 

Does the OP want faster gaming or faster productivity? The AMD Ryzen 5 3600 can do productivity well, but it's better at gaming, while the AMD Ryzen 7 2700X can do gaming well, but it's better at productivity.

 

For what I personally do, having more cores that are still pretty fast helps me a lot more than just having cores that are faster. I think for what the OP is doing, this is probably the better option.

 

As for getting an X470 board, that mostly depends on what features the OP needs.

i think i can throw in a ryzen 72700x instead of the ryzen 5 3600? and i was wondering is there like a competitor to the rx5700xt on the green side?

[SnowyMus]

10 minutes ago, Ah2004 said:

i think i can throw in a ryzen 72700x instead of the ryzen 5 3600? and i was wondering is there like a competitor to the rx5700xt on the green side?

In terms of price, the RX 5700 XT is $400 and so is the RTX 2060 Super, but the RX 5700 XT is, on average, a bit better.

 

In terms of performance, the RTX 2070 does cost $100 more, but it's a bit faster.

 

In terms of value, you can still find an RTX 2060 (non Super) for around $350. It's not as fast as the Super (thus not as fast as the RX 5700 XT), but then again, you could get the RX 5700 (non-XT) for around the same price, too.

 

This is just talking about performance, though. RX 5700 XT does not have features like DLSS or RTX raytracing. It also consumes more power than an RTX 2060.

[Ah2004]

1 minute ago, Kavawuvi said:

In terms of price, the RX 5700 XT is $400 and so is the RTX 2060 Super, but the RX 5700 XT is, on average, a bit better.

 

In terms of performance, the RTX 2070 does cost $100 more, but it's a bit faster.

 

In terms of value, you can still find an RTX 2060 (non Super) for around $350. It's not as fast as the Super (thus not as fast as the RX 5700 XT), but then again, you could get the RX 5700 (non-XT) for around the same price, too.

 

This is just talking about performance, though. RX 5700 XT does not have features like DLSS or RTX raytracing. It also consumes more power than an RTX 2060.

i want the 2060 super is there any way to make the 1500 come down to like 1300 hehe

 

PCPartPicker Part List

Type	Item	Price
CPU	AMD Ryzen 7 2700X 3.7 GHz 8-Core Processor	$254.94 @ Amazon Canada
CPU Cooler	Noctua NH-L9i chromax.black 33.84 CFM CPU Cooler	$69.95 @ Amazon Canada
Motherboard	Asus ROG Strix B450-I Gaming Mini ITX AM4 Motherboard	$203.50 @ Vuugo
Memory	Crucial Ballistix Sport LT 16 GB (2 x 8 GB) DDR4-3200 Memory	$100.99 @ Amazon Canada
Storage	Crucial MX500 250 GB M.2-2280 Solid State Drive	$63.86 @ shopRBC
Storage	Seagate Barracuda Compute 2 TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive	$64.95 @ Vuugo
Video Card	NVIDIA GeForce RTX 2060 SUPER 8 GB Video Card	$613.05 @ Amazon Canada
Case	NZXT H210 Mini ITX Tower Case	$109.99 @ Canada Computers
Power Supply	Corsair CXM 550 W 80+ Bronze Certified Semi-modular ATX Power Supply	$84.75 @ Vuugo
	Prices include shipping, taxes, rebates, and discounts
	Total	$1565.98
	Generated by PCPartPicker 2019-10-28 17:59 EDT-0400

 

[Ah2004]

Just now, Ah2004 said:

i want the 2060 super is there any way to make the 1500 come down to like 1300 hehe

 

PCPartPicker Part List

Type	Item	Price
CPU	AMD Ryzen 7 2700X 3.7 GHz 8-Core Processor	$254.94 @ Amazon Canada
CPU Cooler	Noctua NH-L9i chromax.black 33.84 CFM CPU Cooler	$69.95 @ Amazon Canada
Motherboard	Asus ROG Strix B450-I Gaming Mini ITX AM4 Motherboard	$203.50 @ Vuugo
Memory	Crucial Ballistix Sport LT 16 GB (2 x 8 GB) DDR4-3200 Memory	$100.99 @ Amazon Canada
Storage	Crucial MX500 250 GB M.2-2280 Solid State Drive	$63.86 @ shopRBC
Storage	Seagate Barracuda Compute 2 TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive	$64.95 @ Vuugo
Video Card	NVIDIA GeForce RTX 2060 SUPER 8 GB Video Card	$613.05 @ Amazon Canada
Case	NZXT H210 Mini ITX Tower Case	$109.99 @ Canada Computers
Power Supply	Corsair CXM 550 W 80+ Bronze Certified Semi-modular ATX Power Supply	$84.75 @ Vuugo
	Prices include shipping, taxes, rebates, and discounts
	Total	$1565.98
	Generated by PCPartPicker 2019-10-28 17:59 EDT-0400

 

oh and is there like a better case that kinda unique i want something different from the usual stuff? and is the motherboard overpriced? faster ram? i suck at building pcs

[C17H23NO2]

Oh wow, has there been an increase in price? I know it's a "super"-Card but i got my Asus RTX2060 Dual OC thingy for 320€ (355$) ... Holy Jesus.

[SnowyMus]

4 hours ago, Ah2004 said:

i want the 2060 super is there any way to make the 1500 come down to like 1300 hehe

 

PCPartPicker Part List

Type	Item	Price
CPU	AMD Ryzen 7 2700X 3.7 GHz 8-Core Processor	$254.94 @ Amazon Canada
CPU Cooler	Noctua NH-L9i chromax.black 33.84 CFM CPU Cooler	$69.95 @ Amazon Canada
Motherboard	Asus ROG Strix B450-I Gaming Mini ITX AM4 Motherboard	$203.50 @ Vuugo
Memory	Crucial Ballistix Sport LT 16 GB (2 x 8 GB) DDR4-3200 Memory	$100.99 @ Amazon Canada
Storage	Crucial MX500 250 GB M.2-2280 Solid State Drive	$63.86 @ shopRBC
Storage	Seagate Barracuda Compute 2 TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive	$64.95 @ Vuugo
Video Card	NVIDIA GeForce RTX 2060 SUPER 8 GB Video Card	$613.05 @ Amazon Canada
Case	NZXT H210 Mini ITX Tower Case	$109.99 @ Canada Computers
Power Supply	Corsair CXM 550 W 80+ Bronze Certified Semi-modular ATX Power Supply	$84.75 @ Vuugo
	Prices include shipping, taxes, rebates, and discounts
	Total	$1565.98
	Generated by PCPartPicker 2019-10-28 17:59 EDT-0400

 

 

I've done what I can to drop the price without significantly affecting performance. Here are the changes:

• CPU cooler was removed - The Ryzen 7 2700X's stock cooler (Wraith Prism) should fit in the case you chose. It's not the greatest air cooler in the world, so don't expect to pull off any overclocking world records with it, but it's a lot better than Intel's stock coolers.
• RAM was downgraded from 3200 MHz to 3000 MHz - This should be fine for your needs, and you're free to overclock it back to 3200 MHz if you need to. If so, I recommend using a tool like https://www.memtest86.com/ to help you test for stability.
• Storage was downgraded from M.2 to SATA III - SATA III SSDs may be bandwidth-limited, but the 860 EVO should still be very fast and responsive even so.
• GPU was swapped for a board partner card - This was a much better deal.
• PSU was swapped for the non-modular version - The CX 550 has the same specifications as the CXM 550. It's just non-modular, so the cables will come permanently attached to the PSU. As a result, it'll be a little cheaper at the cost of convenience. The case you chose appears to have a shroud for the PSU, so you probably won't need to worry about excess cables floating around in your case.

PCPartPicker Part List

CPU: AMD Ryzen 7 2700X 3.7 GHz 8-Core Processor  ($254.94 @ Amazon Canada) 
Motherboard: Asus ROG Strix B450-I Gaming Mini ITX AM4 Motherboard  ($203.50 @ Vuugo) 
Memory: *Team Vulcan 16 GB (2 x 8 GB) DDR4-3000 Memory  ($82.99 @ Newegg Canada) 
Storage: Samsung 860 Evo 250 GB 2.5" Solid State Drive  ($50.95 @ shopRBC) 
Storage: Seagate Barracuda Compute 2 TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive  ($64.95 @ Vuugo) 
Video Card: EVGA GeForce RTX 2060 SUPER 8 GB SC ULTRA GAMING Video Card  ($548.99 @ PC-Canada) 
Case: NZXT H210 Mini ITX Tower Case  ($109.99 @ Canada Computers) 
Power Supply: Corsair CX (2017) 550 W 80+ Bronze Certified ATX Power Supply  ($69.99 @ Canada Computers) 
Total: $1386.30
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
*Lowest price parts chosen from parametric criteria
Generated by PCPartPicker 2019-10-28 21:49 EDT-0400

[Mister Woof]

Gotta say, the 3700x and the 5700xt combo seems to be the VIP this year.

 

If I was building right now, I'd totally buy those two together.

[GamerDude]

5 hours ago, Kavawuvi said:

In terms of price, the RX 5700 XT is $400 and so is the RTX 2060 Super, but the RX 5700 XT is, on average, a bit better.

 

In terms of performance, the RTX 2070 does cost $100 more, but it's a bit faster.

 

In terms of value, you can still find an RTX 2060 (non Super) for around $350. It's not as fast as the Super (thus not as fast as the RX 5700 XT), but then again, you could get the RX 5700 (non-XT) for around the same price, too.

 

This is just talking about performance, though. RX 5700 XT does not have features like DLSS or RTX raytracing. It also consumes more power than an RTX 2060.

Wait, I'd thought that the 5700XT was closer to the RTX2070 Super in term of sheer performance, and is a fair bit better than the RTX2060 Super (unless it''s a specific nVidia optimized game), am I wrong? From what I've gathered, the 5700XT competes with the RTX2070 Super, NOT the RTX2060 Super , whichI think is the 5700 is its natural competitor. 

[SnowyMus]

2 hours ago, GamerDude said:

Wait, I'd thought that the 5700XT was closer to the RTX2070 Super in term of sheer performance

It is. I suppose I could have worded it more to say that, but I felt this was enough.

7 hours ago, Kavawuvi said:

In terms of performance, the RTX 2070 does cost $100 more, but it's a bit faster.

 

Quote

is a fair bit better than the RTX2060 Super (unless it''s a specific nVidia optimized game), am I wrong?

Yes. I even said that.

7 hours ago, Kavawuvi said:

In terms of price, the RX 5700 XT is $400 and so is the RTX 2060 Super, but the RX 5700 XT is, on average, a bit better.

 

Quote

the 5700XT competes with the RTX2070 Super, NOT the RTX2060 Super , whichI think is the 5700 is its natural competitor. 

Correct. I suppose I implied that, too.

7 hours ago, Kavawuvi said:

In terms of value, you can still find an RTX 2060 (non Super) for around $350. It's not as fast as the Super (thus not as fast as the RX 5700 XT), but then again, you could get the RX 5700 (non-XT) for around the same price, too.

 

Basically, the OP wanted options from Nvidia (which I assumed cards that were around the price). These cards were the options:

• RTX 2070 Super - A little faster but a lot more expensive, but you at least get RTX features
• RTX 2060 Super - Around the same price, somewhat worse performance, but you get RTX features
• RTX 2060 NON-Super - A bit slower, but you can get it for approximately $50 cheaper (I mentioned the RX 5700 non-XT as the equivalent card) and it has RTX features

In my opinion, if you care not about RTX features but only raw performance in games that use conventional 3D rasterization, then the RX 5700 XT is the best buy out of all of these cards.

 

The RTX 2070 Super is faster, sure, but not by nearly enough to warrant forking over an extra $100, and while it does draw less power than a 5700 XT, $100 is more than enough for a better power supply.

 

The RTX 2060 Super, on the other hand, is slower but costs the same. If you need NVIDIA-specific features, then it is worth getting. It also draws less power. However, if you care only about performance, then it just isn't worth it over the 5700 XT.

 

The RTX 2060 non-Super is a cheaper, slower alternative to the RTX 2060 Super, and it's fairly good. If you're on a budget, it might be something worth considering. But, as I said, the RX 5700 non-XT is also worth considering if you're on a budget.

 

Also, yes, you might find some meme NVIDIA "the way it's meant to be played" game somewhere where the RX 5700 XT will be slower, but most people generally get a PC to run multiple games. I looked at the benchmarks of various reviewers to come up with an idea of what performance you'd typically see between these cards, and that was my conclusion.

[seagate_surfer]

I like Intel CPUs and AMD CPUs, I never thought that AMD was bad, but I always preferred Intel, however, for the first time with the most recent release, you can go in any direction since both are very good at it.