amd X470 VS X570

[FokkenClown]

Hi There guys

 

I currently have a Ryzen 5 1600x and want to upgrade it to a R5 3600x or R7 3700x, depends on what the prices will be on black friday. but for now i am gonna buy the motherboard.
My question is is worth it going for X570 over X470?
My option for X570 is the Gigabyte X570 Gaming X coming in at $230 or should i rather go for one of the following x470

MSI X470 GAMING PRO coming in at $192 or the

ASUS PRIME X470-PRO coming in at $202

I have a 16gb kit of Trident Z Royal 3000mhz ram and a Cooler master Masterliquid ML360R RGG for cooling.

Running a 2tb nvme storage. with a few other sata ssd's.
i currently have a 650w power supply but going to get a 1000w with the new cpu as i will then be upgrading my gpu from a Zotac 1070 AMP EXTREME to a 2060 SUPER or 2070 SUPER. 

I am just not sure what motherboard in that price range will work best for me as i wish to overclock the cpu aswell. Currently on my B350 board overclocking is not working out for me and my ram is only running @ 2800mhz.

Think the motherboard i have is faulty.

 

[Master Disaster]

X570 will cost you more and offer you nothing that X470 doesn't also provide. The only benefit is PCIe 4.0 which nothing you have uses anyway.

 

Stick with X470 and put the savings towards a better CPU.

[mariushm]

x570 gaming x is not a great choice, the heatsink on the VRM is kinda weak, same for the mosfets.

It's fine to combine with a 3600x or 3700x and overclock it a bit but it's not great.

 

See https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1d9_E3h8bLp-TXr-0zTJFqqVxdCR9daIVNyMatydkpFA/htmlview?sle=true#gid=639584818

You want at least 3 green checkmarks in the middle.

 

Out of the budget x570 boards Gigabyte x570 Aorus Elite (w/ WiFi or not) has a very good VRM and very good heatsink.

The other good and cheap x570 board is Asus TUF Gaming x570 plus.

There's a Hardware Unboxed video testing a bunch of budget boards, here it is:

 

 

The VRM on x470 boards wasn't that great in general... x470 was more expensive mostly because it allows splitting the x16 into 2x8 slots and you pay for the SLI license and so on... they're not necessarily better

 

MSI X470 GAMING PRO coming in at $192 - this one's just OK, not great. No BIOS flashback feature, so if you happen to buy a box that sat on shelves for some time, you won't be able to boot with the 3xxx CPUs until you update the bios using older generations of processors.

ASUS PRIME X470-PRO would be a bit better, worth the extra 10$

But overall, it doesn't really make sense to buy these x470 boards.

I'd suggest looking into B450 boards from MSI, they have some great models : b450 gaming plus, b450m gaming plus, b450 tomahawk,  b450-a pro , b450i gaming plus AC if you don't mind ITX formats.

[SpookyCitrus]

Don't waste money on the 3600x, the 3600 can be easily overclocked to match the performance of the 3600x for less.

[Master Disaster]

3 minutes ago, SpookyCitrus said:

Don't waste money on the 3600x, the 3600 can be easily overclocked to match the performance of the 3600x for less.

This old fallacy...

 

The 3600X can be overclocked to match the performance of the 3700X.

 

Everyone said I was stupid for buying a 3800X, now AGESA has been fixed my 3800X boosts up to 4.4GHz all core and can do 4.6Ghz on a single core boost. Show me a 3700X that can match that?

[Jurrunio]

44 minutes ago, FokkenClown said:

My question is is worth it going for X570 over X470?

how bad if your current board?

 

but if even the Asus X570-P is too expensive, might as well go with good B450 and X470.

 

58 minutes ago, FokkenClown said:

MSI X470 GAMING PRO coming in at $192 or the

ASUS PRIME X470-PRO coming in at $202

Gaming Pro's made of the same material as the B450 ATX boards from MSI, with heatsink as good as only the A-pro.

Prime X470 Pro suffer from terrible VRM thermals due to bad heatsink even tho the powerstages under the heatsink are decent

 

I'd buy neither

 

59 minutes ago, FokkenClown said:

R5 3600x

worth $20 at best on top of the 3600, for its frequency advantage

 

36 minutes ago, SpookyCitrus said:

3600 can be easily overclocked to match the performance of the 3600x

this isn't true, it's more about whether the money you save is worth losing 5% frequency potential for.

[FokkenClown]

Hey guys

thanks for all the great replies.

I will look into a few of the B450 boards mentioned above.

But will i be able to get as good an overclock going on a B series board than on an X series?
I mean i have the capacity to overclock a lot with the MasterLiquid 360ML, would be a shame to waist it

[SliceT]

Depending on the motherboard yes, B450 Steel Legend for example has great VRMs well capable. Just note that it's a lot on the CPU silicon quality how far you can push it.

[FokkenClown]

On 10/18/2019 at 9:58 AM, SliceT said:

Depending on the motherboard yes, B450 Steel Legend for example has great VRMs well capable. Just note that it's a lot on the CPU silicon quality how far you can push it.

yeah i know its all about the silicone lottery. I don't care about pusing it to far. just want my ram to run @ its clocked speed at least and my cpu to reach its full turbo boost + like 0.2 - 0.5