Could this be an rx480 with rx 470 bios flashed ?

[VingerBold]

Hey guys ..

I was looking for a used gpu to buy from an online store .. and i found a good deal on the rx 470 4gb .. the problem is the seller sent me a photo of the card which is included in this post .. but i did some research on Asus website and i found that the card in the picture looks just like rx 480 Dual 4g OC and i also found that Asus dis not manufactur rx 470 8n this Dual ( white ) design .. so Could this card be an rx 480 flashed with rx 470's bios for some reason ? .. like pay low costumes for example ? ... Any guidance or help will ne appreciated 

Thanks 

 

[VingerBold]

1 minute ago, Genwyn said:

Most likely still a 470, sometimes aibs put out cards with different Cooler options than you'd find in other countries. That cooler was only used on the 1060's and 480 in the US/EU but it may have been on a 470 in any other country. 

Ah I see !  ... Thanks for the quick reply . 

[Jurrunio]

It could be, I've checked in Chinese retail and used market sites and neither show this cooler on RX 470.

[Fasauceome]

It's possible that it's a GTX 1060 3GB performance and the owner forgot what they had and assumed it was the 470.

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Just now, Jurrunio said:

It could be, I've checked in Chinese retail and used market sites and neither show this cooler on RX 470.

I checked almost all the internet and never was able to find it either . Thanks bro i guess the only way to find out is to buy the card and enter it's serial No. In Asus web site. It is a good deal as a 470 .. there is a chance it could even be a better deal if it was really an rx 480

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1 minute ago, Fasauceome said:

It's possible that it's a GTX 1060 3GB performance and the owner forgot what they had and assumed it was the 470.

The owner confirmed that it is an rx 470 and claims that he own a bunch of them and they all look just like this one .. he sent me a picture with a box full of them

[VingerBold]

Hey Fellows ... I got the Card . I will be Uploading close up pictures along with details about it because this is getting more and more interesting.. 

[VingerBold]

Hello Guys ,

I recently Bought the Card for a Good Price, the Seller Claims it is an ASUS RX470 4G , but it looks just like the ASUS DUAL RX480 4G OC 
( Pictures Included of the Actual Card ) 

After Taking a Closer Look at The Card i Found the Following : 

1- the Stickers Baring the Serial No. are Removed by the Previous Owner of the Card and i Can still see the Adhesive Traces , and another Fake Barcode Sticker is On the Card Labeled RX460 but it is a Fake one for Cheating on Customs Clearance ( Dealers do that to pay less fees ) so i can't Figure Out it's Original SN.
2 -The Card Has Back Openings for 1xDVI , 2xHDMI and 2xDisplay Ports BUT Actually it Has Only 1xDVI and 1xHDMI Ports and the Rest of the Openings are Empty ( As Shown In Pictures ) 
3- i took the Card Apart and Found that : 
* the PCB No. is D000PI and when i Searched that up i Found that this PCB is for RX 480 
* the Number On the GPU Chip is 215-0910052 and When i Searched That up , I Found that this GPU Chip is Actually For RX 570 
4 - i installed the Card in my PC Downloaded Latest RX470 Driver From AMD Official Website , the Card was Detected as RX 470 But was Operating on Low Resolution , i Was Able to get it Operating on Full Resolution by Using AMD Patcher ( Obviously the Card had a Modded Bios Flashed for Mining Purposes ) 
5 - from the look of the Card i Assumed it's an RX 480 with a Modded Bios to Under-volt it ( because the modded bios had the Core Clock set to 1085Mhz which is less than the Default for Rx470 or 480 or 570 and the Memory was set to 1800Mhz which is Higher than the Default but the Shader Units are 2048 i believe those can't be Modified by Bios Tweaking , i took a backup of that Bios , and Decided to Flash the Original Rx480 Bios and i did and Used DDU to Uninstall the Graphics Driver Before Rebooting ,

After Rebooting and Installing the Drivers Again Windows Detects it Now as an RX 570 , Tested it with Furmark and it Seems Working Fine But i still Not Sure of It's True Identity .

I need Help Figuring the Card's Identity to get the Correct Bios and Drivers for it ,Because i don't want to be Running an RX470 With RX570 Bios .
so if any of you guys can help me i would be very grateful 

Thanks

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[VingerBold]

On 9/1/2019 at 12:59 AM, Jurrunio said:

It could be, I've checked in Chinese retail and used market sites and neither show this cooler on RX 470.

if you Please check my post Below and tell me what you think ? 

[Jurrunio]

1 hour ago, Egyptian Mido said:

if you Please check my post Below and tell me what you think ? 

Wait so with RX 480 BIOS it's still detected as RX 570? Is the shader count 2048 or 2304 now?

 

The thing with RX 470D, 470, 560XT, 480, 570, 580, 580 2048SP and 590 is that their BIOS can be flashed interchangably, but bios meant for GPUs with higher core counts could lead to the card not working properly as it tries to run cores that don't work. This can be used as a hack to get more cores running (might have consequences of low stable frequency, after all these cores were disabled for some reason) tho.

 

BIOS of newer cards also run higher stock voltage, so some users flash older cards with newer BIOSes for the overclocking gain. This is ill-advised for the Asus Dual model tho as its PCB and cooler arent that strong (compared to say, the Strix).

 

What's also surprising is the Elpida memory. Elpida quit making VRAM quite some time already (did make GDDR5) and now only produce DRAM for SSDs. I think Geforce 700 series and Rx 300 series are the last to carry Elpida memory, but seems like this apparently isnt the case.

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On 9/8/2019 at 2:35 PM, Jurrunio said:

Wait so with RX 480 BIOS it's still detected as RX 570? Is the shader count 2048 or 2304 now?

 

The thing with RX 470D, 470, 560XT, 480, 570, 580, 580 2048SP and 590 is that their BIOS can be flashed interchangably, but bios meant for GPUs with higher core counts could lead to the card not working properly as it tries to run cores that don't work. This can be used as a hack to get more cores running (might have consequences of low stable frequency, after all these cores were disabled for some reason) tho.

 

BIOS of newer cards also run higher stock voltage, so some users flash older cards with newer BIOSes for the overclocking gain. This is ill-advised for the Asus Dual model tho as its PCB and cooler arent that strong (compared to say, the Strix).

 

What's also surprising is the Elpida memory. Elpida quit making VRAM quite some time already (did make GDDR5) and now only produce DRAM for SSDs. I think Geforce 700 series and Rx 300 series are the last to carry Elpida memory, but seems like this apparently isnt the case.

 i have tried flashing several bios roms Like rx480 , rx 470 , rx570 bios One at a time with a full reboot and clean install of Drivers and in all cases it still gets detected as a rx570 .. the interesting thing is that with the rx480 and rx470 bios , the card worked fine under 3D laod .. but with the rx570 Bios the whole computer froze whenever i try initiating a 3D Load

i'm starting to think it is indeed an rx 470 but why it wont be detected as so ? 

 

Included are 2 screenshots : 

1 - the one that detects the card as Asus rx470 Series , this one is When i Ran the Card Without Changing the Bios that Came On it ( Notice how Core Clocks are Reduced and Memory Clock and Bandwidth are Increased ) Mining settings for sure
2 - the one that Detects the Card as Radeon Rx570 Series ( this is the Card Reading After Flashing RX480 Bios which Doesn't Make Sense )

 

 

[Jurrunio]

11 minutes ago, Egyptian Mido said:

the interesting thing is that with the rx480 and rx470 bios , the card worked fine under 3D laod .. but with the rx570 Bios the whole computer froze whenever i try initiating a 3D Load

so it's not stable at the frequency the RX 570 bios instructs it to run at.

 

11 minutes ago, Egyptian Mido said:

i'm starting to think it is indeed an rx 470 but why it wont be detected as so ? 

Did you back up the mining bios? Polaris does have BIOS editors openly available

https://github.com/IndeedMiners/PBE-Polaris-Bios-Editor-1.7.2/releases

 

Edit the mining bios back to reference RX 470 settings then? 

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1 minute ago, Jurrunio said:

so it's not stable at the frequency the RX 570 bios instructs it to run at.

 

Did you back up the mining bios? Polaris does have BIOS editors openly available

https://github.com/IndeedMiners/PBE-Polaris-Bios-Editor-1.7.2/releases

 

Edit the mining bios back to reference RX 470 settings then? 

yes i have a backup of the mining bios and i will try what you suggested then update you  

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1 hour ago, Jurrunio said:

so it's not stable at the frequency the RX 570 bios instructs it to run at.

 

Did you back up the mining bios? Polaris does have BIOS editors openly available

https://github.com/IndeedMiners/PBE-Polaris-Bios-Editor-1.7.2/releases

 

Edit the mining bios back to reference RX 470 settings then? 

i tried editing the bios back to reference RX 470 but the Polaris bios editor simply wont allow me to edit everything .. anyway i edited it back to normal as much as i could , flashed it , reboot , clean install driver , got yellow triangle in device manager beside the rx470 and error 42 .. and back again to the main problem which is that i have to use  atikmdag-patcher to remove the error every time i install the driver.. 

editing this bios wont work .. i will keep digging for as closest i could get for it's original bios

[mariushm]

The chip is RX 570 .. may be a RX 470 card as well.

 

Memory is ELPIDA 4 gbit  x 8 chips  = 4 GB GDDR5

Go to TechPowerUp's BIOS collection and pick an Asus BIOS with ELPIDA memory profiles.

 

Ex

RX 470 cards from Asus: https://www.techpowerup.com/vgabios/?architecture=AMD&manufacturer=Asus&model=RX+470&interface=&memType=GDDR5&memSize=4096&since=

RX 570 cards from Asus: https://www.techpowerup.com/vgabios/?architecture=AMD&manufacturer=Asus&model=RX+570&interface=&memType=GDDR5&memSize=4096&since=

 

These two have Elpida memory profiles :

1. https://www.techpowerup.com/vgabios/192579/asus-rx570-4096-170322

2. https://www.techpowerup.com/vgabios/191598/asus-rx570-4096-170327

The first has lower clocks and smaller TDP (card designed with cheaper cooler, I guess, maybe fewer heatpipes) and the second has higher power budget

[VingerBold]

On 9/8/2019 at 5:51 PM, mariushm said:

The chip is RX 570 .. may be a RX 470 card as well.

 

Memory is ELPIDA 4 gbit  x 8 chips  = 4 GB GDDR5

Go to TechPowerUp's BIOS collection and pick an Asus BIOS with ELPIDA memory profiles.

 

Ex

RX 470 cards from Asus: https://www.techpowerup.com/vgabios/?architecture=AMD&manufacturer=Asus&model=RX+470&interface=&memType=GDDR5&memSize=4096&since=

RX 570 cards from Asus: https://www.techpowerup.com/vgabios/?architecture=AMD&manufacturer=Asus&model=RX+570&interface=&memType=GDDR5&memSize=4096&since=

 

These two have Elpida memory profiles :

1. https://www.techpowerup.com/vgabios/192579/asus-rx570-4096-170322

2. https://www.techpowerup.com/vgabios/191598/asus-rx570-4096-170327

The first has lower clocks and smaller TDP (card designed with cheaper cooler, I guess, maybe fewer heatpipes) and the second has higher power budget

thanks a lot mate ... 

if i may ask for another favor , 

which bios do you recommend based on the cooler design in the pictures ? .. the one with the low power profile or the one with the higher power ? 

 

thanks again