$500 gaming pc for younger brother

[venturizhou]

well the main reason is because i will be able to upgrade to an i5 for him without having to get rid of the motherboard and he will be able to play more cpu intensive games with somewhat better fps

I see. What I would say if that is the cause I would just pony up the extra $30 now to get the Core i5-4570. Because if you were planning on getting the unlocked and overclockable i5-4670k that would also require a motherboard upgrade. It just doesn't seem worth it if you planned on upgrading to a core i5 anyway not to take that little step. Can save some money by getting the Rosewill Line-M, good case for the price. 

 

Also realistically, CPU is nothing compared to GPU for getting more FPS anyway. 

I was thinking more the previous generations of APU.

The 8670 chips iirc are pretty pricey at ~ $160 aren't they?

If you cross into the $600 price range for a system I'd think a 6300/R270 would be a better combo.

You are thinking of Kaveri. 

A10-6790K is $110. 

[themaniac]

I see. What I would say if that is the cause I would just pony up the extra $30 now to get the Core i5-4570. Because if you were planning on getting the unlocked and overclockable i5-4670k that would also require a motherboard upgrade. It just doesn't seem worth it if you planned on upgrading to a core i5 anyway not to take that little step. Can save some money by getting the Rosewill Line-M, good case for the price. 

 

You are thinking of Kaveri. 

A10-6790K is $110. 

getting an i5 is not needed and is to much out of the budget

[venturizhou]

Dude... you are the one who said you would upgrade to an i5 anyway as your reason for not using AMD.

[danejesse1]

well he won't need the graphics card right away but when i have enough i will get a graphics card why did you choose that motherboard and not the motherboard i choose and why did you choose that fast ram i'm pretty sure you don't need fast ram for intel integrated graphics 

Integrated needs fast ram, but that was a mistake anyways.

 

I still recommend going with an APU.  Keep in mind that the A10 7700K is overclock-able, both the cpu and gpu.

 

I agree with venturizhou, get an i5 4570 for $160 or upgrade both the cpu and mobo later.

[themaniac]

Dude... you are the one who said you would upgrade to an i5 anyway as your reason for not using AMD.

an i5 is not needed right away (sorry forgot to say its not needed right away)

[danejesse1]

What are you going to be doing that you need an i5, and when?

[themaniac]

What are you going to be doing that you need an i5, and when?

not gonna get an i5 right away 

[danejesse1]

Would you plan on getting an overclockable one?  If so then you would need a Z87 board anyways.

[themaniac]

Would you plan on getting an overclockable one?  If so then you would need a Z87 board anyways.

no not going to get an overclockable i5

[danejesse1]

What about this.  Its only $10 over budget.  I put in a Fractal Design Core 1000 to save money.  Its a great little case

 

PCPartPicker part list: http://pcpartpicker.com/p/2LAC9

Price breakdown by merchant: http://pcpartpicker.com/p/2LAC9/by_merchant/

Benchmarks: http://pcpartpicker.com/p/2LAC9/benchmarks/

 

CPU: Intel Core i5-4570 3.2GHz Quad-Core Processor  ($159.99 @ Microcenter) 

Motherboard: Asus H81M-K Micro ATX LGA1150 Motherboard  ($52.99 @ Newegg) 

Memory: Crucial Ballistix Sport 8GB (1 x 8GB) DDR3-1600 Memory  ($66.99 @ Microcenter) 

Storage: Western Digital Caviar Blue 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive  ($59.66 @ OutletPC) 

Case: Fractal Design Core 1000 USB 3.0 MicroATX Mid Tower Case  ($38.98 @ Newegg) 

Power Supply: Corsair Builder 430W 80+ Bronze Certified ATX Power Supply  ($19.99 @ Microcenter) 

Optical Drive: Asus DRW-24B1ST/BLK/B/AS DVD/CD Writer  ($19.98 @ OutletPC) 

Operating System: Microsoft Windows 8.1 - OEM (64-bit)  ($89.99 @ NCIX US) 

Total: $508.57

(Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available.)

(Generated by PCPartPicker 2014-02-01 19:33 EST-0500)

[themaniac]

 

What about this.  Its only $10 over budget.  I put in a Fractal Design Core 1000 to save money.  Its a great little case

 

PCPartPicker part list: http://pcpartpicker.com/p/2LAC9

Price breakdown by merchant: http://pcpartpicker.com/p/2LAC9/by_merchant/

Benchmarks: http://pcpartpicker.com/p/2LAC9/benchmarks/

 

CPU: Intel Core i5-4570 3.2GHz Quad-Core Processor  ($159.99 @ Microcenter) 

Motherboard: Asus H81M-K Micro ATX LGA1150 Motherboard  ($52.99 @ Newegg) 

Memory: Crucial Ballistix Sport 8GB (1 x 8GB) DDR3-1600 Memory  ($66.99 @ Microcenter) 

Storage: Western Digital Caviar Blue 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive  ($59.66 @ OutletPC) 

Case: Fractal Design Core 1000 USB 3.0 MicroATX Mid Tower Case  ($38.98 @ Newegg) 

Power Supply: Corsair Builder 430W 80+ Bronze Certified ATX Power Supply  ($19.99 @ Microcenter) 

Optical Drive: Asus DRW-24B1ST/BLK/B/AS DVD/CD Writer  ($19.98 @ OutletPC) 

Operating System: Microsoft Windows 8.1 - OEM (64-bit)  ($89.99 @ NCIX US) 

Total: $508.57

(Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available.)

(Generated by PCPartPicker 2014-02-01 19:33 EST-0500)

 

thanks the only problem is i don't think i live near a microcenter

[danejesse1]

Well then scratch that.  What about this?  BTW I would still pick the AMD option if I were you.

 

PCPartPicker part list: http://pcpartpicker.com/p/2LAXk

Price breakdown by merchant: http://pcpartpicker.com/p/2LAXk/by_merchant/

Benchmarks: http://pcpartpicker.com/p/2LAXk/benchmarks/

 

CPU: Intel Core i3-4130 3.4GHz Dual-Core Processor  ($118.97 @ OutletPC) 

Motherboard: ASRock H81M-HDS Micro ATX LGA1150 Motherboard  ($49.99 @ Microcenter) 

Memory: Crucial Ballistix Sport 8GB (1 x 8GB) DDR3-1600 Memory  ($66.99 @ Microcenter) 

Storage: Western Digital Caviar Blue 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive  ($59.66 @ OutletPC) 

Video Card: Asus Radeon HD 7770 1GB Video Card  ($100.66 @ Newegg) 

Case: Fractal Design Core 1000 USB 3.0 MicroATX Mid Tower Case  ($38.98 @ Newegg) 

Power Supply: Corsair Builder 430W 80+ Bronze Certified ATX Power Supply  ($19.99 @ Microcenter) 

Operating System: Microsoft Windows 8.1 - OEM (64-bit)  ($89.99 @ NCIX US) 

Total: $545.23

(Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available.)

(Generated by PCPartPicker 2014-02-01 19:44 EST-0500)

[themaniac]

 

Well then scratch that.  What about this?  BTW I would still pick the AMD option if I were you.

 

PCPartPicker part list: http://pcpartpicker.com/p/2LAXk

Price breakdown by merchant: http://pcpartpicker.com/p/2LAXk/by_merchant/

Benchmarks: http://pcpartpicker.com/p/2LAXk/benchmarks/

 

CPU: Intel Core i3-4130 3.4GHz Dual-Core Processor  ($118.97 @ OutletPC) 

Motherboard: ASRock H81M-HDS Micro ATX LGA1150 Motherboard  ($49.99 @ Microcenter) 

Memory: Crucial Ballistix Sport 8GB (1 x 8GB) DDR3-1600 Memory  ($66.99 @ Microcenter) 

Storage: Western Digital Caviar Blue 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive  ($59.66 @ OutletPC) 

Video Card: Asus Radeon HD 7770 1GB Video Card  ($100.66 @ Newegg) 

Case: Fractal Design Core 1000 USB 3.0 MicroATX Mid Tower Case  ($38.98 @ Newegg) 

Power Supply: Corsair Builder 430W 80+ Bronze Certified ATX Power Supply  ($19.99 @ Microcenter) 

Operating System: Microsoft Windows 8.1 - OEM (64-bit)  ($89.99 @ NCIX US) 

Total: $545.23

(Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available.)

(Generated by PCPartPicker 2014-02-01 19:44 EST-0500)

 

thanks one question what graphics card is equivalent to the intel hd graphics 4600

[danejesse1]

Not really sure, but the GTX 640 is lightyears ahead of it, and the GTX 640 costs $60.

 

http://www.anandtech.com/show/7032/amds-richland-vs-intels-haswell-gpu-on-the-desktop-radeon-hd-8670d-hd-4600/2

[themaniac]

Not really sure, but the GTX 640 is lightyears ahead of it, and the GTX 640 costs $60.

 

http://www.anandtech.com/show/7032/amds-richland-vs-intels-haswell-gpu-on-the-desktop-radeon-hd-8670d-hd-4600/2

thanks

[danejesse1]

Sure thing.  So did you decide on the build with the i3 4130 and the HD 7770?

[themaniac]

Sure thing.  So did you decide on the build with the i3 4130 and the HD 7770?

don't know yet still thinking

[themaniac]

Sure thing.  So did you decide on the build with the i3 4130 and the HD 7770?

is the gts 450 better than the gt 640 and what card is newer

[danejesse1]

Those are both fairly old cards.  The GT 640 is newer, from early-mid 2012 and the GTS 450 is from early 2011.  They are pretty neck in neck, with the  lead going to the GT 640.

 

If you give me a price range, I could help you pick out a good GPU for the price.

[themaniac]

Those are both fairly old cards.  The GT 640 is newer, from early-mid 2012 and the GTS 450 is from early 2011.  They are pretty neck in neck, with the  lead going to the GT 640.

 

If you give me a price range, I could help you pick out a good GPU for the price.

maybe $75 and under for the price range

[danejesse1]

Thats a really tight budget.  I would get 4 gb of ram and the get another 4 gb later if you really need it.  The HD 7770 is much better than the R7 250, so you should get that one if you can stretch yor budget.  I would much prefer 4gb of ram and a HD 7770 than 8gb of ram and a worse graphics card.

 

There is a HD 7770 for $89 shipped.  http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814121663&clickid=WcUUkoRwYVFqUdr2%3Ai2JuTK4UkTyj-XGI0uw2k0&iradid=97618&ircid=2106&irpid=79301&nm_mc=AFC-IR&cm_mmc=AFC-IR-_-na-_-na-_-na

 

Here is a R7 250 for $83 shipped if you wanted to see it.  http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814127764&clickid=WcUUkoRwYVFqUdr2%3Ai2JuTK4UkTyj9RuI0uw2k0&iradid=97618&ircid=2106&irpid=79301&nm_mc=AFC-IR&cm_mmc=AFC-IR-_-na-_-na-_-na

[themaniac]

Thats a really tight budget.  I would get 4 gb of ram and the get another 4 gb later if you really need it.  The HD 7770 is much better than the R7 250, so you should get that one if you can stretch yor budget.  I would much prefer 4gb of ram and a HD 7770 than 8gb of ram and a worse graphics card.

 

There is a HD 7770 for $89 shipped.  http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814121663&clickid=WcUUkoRwYVFqUdr2%3Ai2JuTK4UkTyj-XGI0uw2k0&iradid=97618&ircid=2106&irpid=79301&nm_mc=AFC-IR&cm_mmc=AFC-IR-_-na-_-na-_-na

 

Here is a R7 250 for $83 shipped if you wanted to see it.  http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814127764&clickid=WcUUkoRwYVFqUdr2%3Ai2JuTK4UkTyj9RuI0uw2k0&iradid=97618&ircid=2106&irpid=79301&nm_mc=AFC-IR&cm_mmc=AFC-IR-_-na-_-na-_-na

ok i'll get rid of 4gbs of ram and get the 7770 and the 4130

[danejesse1]

I just saw that the 260x is $110, which is much better than the 7770 if you can spare the $20.

 

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814127762&clickid=WcUUkoRwYVFqUdr2%3Ai2JuTK4UkTygx2WI0uw2k0&iradid=97618&ircid=2106&irpid=79301&nm_mc=AFC-IR&cm_mmc=AFC-IR-_-na-_-na-_-na

[danejesse1]

Here is the build with the 7770.  Not bad for $500!

 

PCPartPicker part list: http://pcpartpicker.com/p/2MdH4
Price breakdown by merchant: http://pcpartpicker.com/p/2MdH4/by_merchant/
Benchmarks: http://pcpartpicker.com/p/2MdH4/benchmarks/

CPU: Intel Core i3-4130 3.4GHz Dual-Core Processor  ($118.97 @ OutletPC)
Motherboard: Asus H81M-K Micro ATX LGA1150 Motherboard  ($52.99 @ Newegg)
Memory: A-Data XPG V1.0 4GB (1 x 4GB) DDR3-1600 Memory  ($32.99 @ Newegg)
Storage: Western Digital Caviar Blue 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive  ($59.66 @ OutletPC)
Video Card: Asus Radeon HD 7770 GHz Edition 1GB Video Card  ($87.99 @ Newegg)
Case: Fractal Design Core 1000 USB 3.0 MicroATX Mid Tower Case  ($38.98 @ Newegg)
Power Supply: Corsair Builder 430W 80+ Bronze Certified ATX Power Supply  ($19.99 @ Microcenter)
Operating System: Microsoft Windows 8.1 - OEM (64-bit)  ($89.99 @ NCIX US)
Total: $501.56
(Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available.)
(Generated by PCPartPicker 2014-02-02 20:51 EST-0500)

 

 

Just in case you were stretching you budget, here is the one for $525.

 

PCPartPicker part list: http://pcpartpicker.com/p/2MdK3
Price breakdown by merchant: http://pcpartpicker.com/p/2MdK3/by_merchant/
Benchmarks: http://pcpartpicker.com/p/2MdK3/benchmarks/

CPU: Intel Core i3-4130 3.4GHz Dual-Core Processor  ($118.97 @ OutletPC)
Motherboard: Asus H81M-K Micro ATX LGA1150 Motherboard  ($52.99 @ Newegg)
Memory: A-Data XPG V1.0 4GB (1 x 4GB) DDR3-1600 Memory  ($32.99 @ Newegg)
Storage: Western Digital Caviar Blue 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive  ($59.66 @ OutletPC)
Video Card: MSI Radeon R7 260X 2GB Video Card  ($109.99 @ Newegg)
Case: Fractal Design Core 1000 USB 3.0 MicroATX Mid Tower Case  ($38.98 @ Newegg)
Power Supply: Corsair Builder 430W 80+ Bronze Certified ATX Power Supply  ($19.99 @ Microcenter)
Operating System: Microsoft Windows 8.1 - OEM (64-bit)  ($89.99 @ NCIX US)
Total: $523.56
(Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available.)
(Generated by PCPartPicker 2014-02-02 20:53 EST-0500)

[themaniac]

I just saw that the 260x is $110, which is much better than the 7770 if you can spare the $20.

 

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814127762&clickid=WcUUkoRwYVFqUdr2%3Ai2JuTK4UkTygx2WI0uw2k0&iradid=97618&ircid=2106&irpid=79301&nm_mc=AFC-IR&cm_mmc=AFC-IR-_-na-_-na-_-na

ok i've been told to stay away from any msi motherboard so i'm not sure if other products from msi are good or not