2011 Socket for Engineering Programs?

[Real_PhillBert]

I am looking to build a system that can handle some fairly heavy engineering programs for CFD and FEA. 

 

Is a 4930K a decent option? how much advantage would a 4960X have?

 

Thanks

[ViruZ_HUN]

With a 4960x you will get 10-15% better preformence

 

So no its just worth the extra 400-500 USD, you can OC your 4930k and get to 60xs preformence

[LIGISTX]

I believe it would be useful for cad programs, although you would also probably benefit from GPU power as well. But, a 4960 wouldn't be worth it over the 4930 imo. If you NEED that few extra mhz, overclock the 4930. Save that money for better cooling + a great graphics card to help accelerate your CFD (assuming it can utilize a GPU like photoshop or solidworks), or throw some more SSD's in there. The extra 500 bucks can be better spent.

[Real_PhillBert]

I believe it would be useful for cad programs, although you would also probably benefit from GPU power as well. But, a 4960 wouldn't be worth it over the 4930 imo. If you NEED that few extra mhz, overclock the 4930. Save that money for better cooling + a great graphics card to help accelerate your CFD (assuming it can utilize a GPU like photoshop or solidworks), or throw some more SSD's in there. The extra 500 bucks can be better spent.

This is what I was kind of thinking but wanted someone to confirm my suspicions. 

[tp95112]

With a 4960x you will get 10-15% better preformence

 

So no its just worth the extra 400-500 USD, you can OC your 4930k and get to 60xs preformence

You can overclock the 4930k to the performance of a 4960x just without some L3 cache

[Panda of the Shadow]

With a 4960x you will get 10-15% better preformence

 

So no its just worth the extra 400-500 USD, you can OC your 4930k and get to 60xs preformence

Lol no it's like 5%. Also 60 times the perofrmance? Oc to 210 Ghz or what? 

[Real_PhillBert]

Is there any other CPU's I should be considering for an engineering rig? 

[Jumper118]

Is there any other CPU's I should be considering for an engineering rig? 

dual 6 or 8 core xeon's 

[Real_PhillBert]

dual 6 or 8 core xeon's 

I really dont want to drop that kind of money. I was more talking about other consumer CPU's on other sockets. 

[Glenwing]

The 4930K and the 4960X are the same CPU.  The 4960X has just been binned for better overclocking, if you're using liquid nitrogen or something like that.

[Real_PhillBert]

The 4930K and the 4960X are the same CPU.  The 4960X has just been binned for better overclocking, if you're using liquid nitrogen or something like that.

No liquid nitrogen here. Most likely an H110.

 

So it appears the consensus is to save the ~$500 and put it into other places.

[Jumper118]

I really dont want to drop that kind of money. I was more talking about other consumer CPU's on other sockets. 

well because you were considering the 4960x i thought i would just drop that in there.

[Real_PhillBert]

well because you were considering the 4960x i thought i would just drop that in there.

Its cool. I was more trying to justify not buying the 4960X, and going with the 4930K instead. 

 

Thanks for the input though!

[Razarza]

Lol no it's like 5%. Also 60 times the perofrmance? Oc to 210 Ghz or what? 

No, he meant it would match the 4960x's performance, he shortened 4960x to 60x.

[Real_PhillBert]

Is LGA2011 worth the extra $$$ for CFD and FEA applications? In the office we all run 3570k's, and they work for most of our basic functionality, but can be easily overwhelmed with large files in FEA. The co. I work for doesnt like spending money on anything tech related. 

 

How much performance advantage does LGA2011 offer over the 1150 socket? 

[Jumper118]

Is LGA2011 worth the extra $$$ for CFD and FEA applications? In the office we all run 3570k's, and they work for most of our basic functionality, but can be easily overwhelmed with large files in FEA. The co. I work for doesnt like spending money on anything tech related. 

 

How much performance advantage does LGA2011 offer over the 1150 socket? 

massively on multithreaded things if you have a 6 core, the gpu is very important as well though. you can also use large amounts of quad channel ram

[Real_PhillBert]

massively on multithreaded things if you have a 6 core, the gpu is very important as well though. you can also use large amounts of quad channel ram

Ok so at least I am looking at the correct socket

 

Thanks again Jumper! Im just trying to wrap my head around all of the different options.

[wpirobotbuilder]

Ok so at least I am looking at the correct socket

 

Thanks again Jumper! Im just trying to wrap my head around all of the different options.

What software are you using for fluid and element analysis?

 

Depending on the software, you would be well off getting something like a low to mid-range quadro as well as a 4930K to accelerate simulations.

 

Your use case will benefit enormously from more cores and larger memory bandwidth.

[Real_PhillBert]

What software are you using for fluid and element analysis?

 

Depending on the software, you would be well off getting something like a low to mid-range quadro as well as a 4930K to accelerate simulations.

 

Your use case will benefit enormously from more cores and larger memory bandwidth.

Solidworks Flow Simulation as well as Ansys.

 

But this would be for my personal rig. So I am not really interested in Quadros. I would rather get most of the capabilities from the consumer cards and skip the validation of the quadros. 

 

One of the advantages I have is that on the weekends I am free to borrow all of the high end software licenses for any personal projects, of which I do a fair amount. 

[wpirobotbuilder]

Solidworks Flow Simulation as well as Ansys.

 

But this would be for my personal rig. So I am not really interested in Quadros. I would rather get most of the capabilities from the consumer cards and skip the validation of the quadros. 

 

One of the advantages I have is that on the weekends I am free to borrow all of the high end software licenses for any personal projects, of which I do a fair amount. 

Solidworks only supports Quadro and Firepro graphics cards. You won't be able to use consumer graphics cards for acceleration.

[Real_PhillBert]

Solidworks only supports Quadro and Firepro graphics cards. You won't be able to use consumer graphics cards for acceleration.

umm... I already do... I have been using my GTX-570 for almost a year now.

 

I think you are thinking about Solidworks only being validated on Quadros and Firepros. 

[wpirobotbuilder]

umm... I already do... I have been using my GTX-570 for almost a year now.

What sort of performance increases has it gotten you?

 

Moreover, you haven't had any glitches? Did you have to use any hacks?

[Real_PhillBert]

What sort of performance increases has it gotten you?

 

Moreover, you haven't had any glitches? Did you have to use any hacks?

Performance increase, Im sure none. I use a quadro at work with a far better CPU (3570k). My home CPU is an AMD Phenom II x4 820, and in much need of replacement. I really cant tell you how big of a performance difference the two cards have because of the difference in the CPUs.

 

I have run zero hacks and really haven't had any glitches on the 570. Im sure the quadro is a better card for the task but I do play games on my home PC so I use a consumer card.

[WoodenMarker]

It depends more on the scale of the projects you're working on and not the programs themselves. 

We could use more details.

[TheProfosist]

Dont bother with a 4960x unless you have money to blow.