Uprgading for 4k video editing with Premiere

[Jade0ne]

Hello everyone!

 

i'm thinking about an hardware upgrade for fixing some playback issue on premiere pro timeline with 4k footage.

i recently start using my gaming rig for work (video editing) and it works pretty good with standard fullHD video but when i start to trow in some highter resolution it start giving some huge frame loss in the timeline even going for 1/8. i dont care too much about rendering time since i'm doining mosttly max 10min vid but i want to be able to see the timeline when editing!

i would like to avoid using proxies.

so..

i'm currently running on an i7 6700k slightly overclocked at 4,5Ghz on a Maximus Hero VIII

32Gb Corsair vengance ddr4 @3000Mhz

Msi Gaming X trio 2080

ScanDisk 1Tb ssd (where there is the OS, the editor and the footage) and 2TB 7200rpm barracuda for archive 

AIO cpu cooler 360mm rad

 

 

i'm going to add an M.2 500Gb Samsung Evo pro Nvme ssd for sure 

 

my budget is around 700€ for CPU and MOBO

i have no idia about what mobo to get but i would like an MSI board just 'couse i like MSI and i have their gpu already (i really like the MSI CREATION design but dont know if it's worth the money)

for cpu i really dont know what to do... AMD R7 3700x? i9 9900k? amd R9 3900x? wait for 3959? going for something older but more workload oriented (Threadripper 1920x?)

 

i kinda wanna keep being able to play games too!

 

 

[GoldenLag]

6 minutes ago, Jade0ne said:

i'm going to add an M.2 500Gb Samsung Evo pro Nvme ssd for sure 

Just get an EX920 instead. Does the same while being cheaper.

 

Also, what country?

[Princess Luna]

Premiere Pro is the last software where the 9900K is justified since all the editing tools are single threaded and QuickSync helps a bunch...

[Jade0ne]

2 hours ago, GoldenLag said:

Just get an EX920 instead. Does the same while being cheaper.

 

Also, what country?

wow thanks! thats 100€ saved already! 

i'm from Italy

[Bearmann]

Is this what you currently are using?

 

i'm currently running on an i7 6700k slightly overclocked at 4,5Ghz on a Maximus Hero VIII

32Gb Corsair vengance ddr4 @3000Mhz

Msi Gaming X trio 2080

ScanDisk 1Tb ssd (where there is the OS, the editor and the footage) and 2TB 7200rpm barracuda for archive 

AIO cpu cooler 360mm rad

 

Isn't that DDR3 RAM? When you check your system resources do you ever run out of RAM?

 

[brob]

If you can wait a bit it might be worth doing so. There is still not much hard data on Premiere Pro performance using the new 3900X, but what there is suggests it may be worth considering.

[Jade0ne]

4 hours ago, Bearmann said:

Is this what you currently are using?

 

i'm currently running on an i7 6700k slightly overclocked at 4,5Ghz on a Maximus Hero VIII

32Gb Corsair vengance ddr4 @3000Mhz

Msi Gaming X trio 2080

ScanDisk 1Tb ssd (where there is the OS, the editor and the footage) and 2TB 7200rpm barracuda for archive 

AIO cpu cooler 360mm rad

 

Isn't that DDR3 RAM? When you check your system resources do you ever run out of RAM?

 

hello! 

that is DDR4 3000Mhz RAM. the max i saw my system use during editing/rendering was 26Gb running at around 85% 

 

never saw it going any highter.

 

also GPU never goes over 25-30% on editing

 

CPU is always at 100% that's why i wanna try swapping it out.

[Jade0ne]

8 hours ago, Princess Luna said:

Premiere Pro is the last software where the 9900K is justified since all the editing tools are single threaded and QuickSync helps a bunch...

you know if my Maximus Hero VIII can power the 9900k? 

 

socket is 1151 so they are compatible but i'm not so sure if i get bottleneck by the mobo

 

EDIT: checked deeply and they are not compatible.

[Bearmann]

19 minutes ago, Jade0ne said:

hello! 

that is DDR4 3000Mhz RAM. the max i saw my system use during editing/rendering was 26Gb running at around 85% 

 

never saw it going any highter.

 

also GPU never goes over 25-30% on editing

 

CPU is always at 100% that's why i wanna try swapping it out.

 

I got mixed up on DDR3/DDR4 even though I have the i5-6600K!

 

First you need to start walking the neighbors' dogs so that you can increase your budget a bit. Then I would get this:

 

PCPartPicker Part List

 

CPU: AMD - Ryzen 9 3900X 3.8 GHz 12-Core Processor  (€550.00)
Motherboard: MSI - X470 GAMING PRO CARBON ATX AM4 Motherboard  (€186.41 @ Amazon Italia)
Total: €736.41
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2019-07-17 21:36 CEST+0200

 

I had to guess the price of the 3900X.

 

youtu.be/0GjSiLbCtHU?t=1220

 

youtu.be/oDVUdpcKZMA?t=466

 

Really though, the 3700X does pretty darn good. I don't see much point in getting a 3800X.

 

Since you say you don't care too much about rendering time, I wasn't concerned about losing Intel Quick Sync., and therefore speced out a Ryzen build.

 

Remember that you will need the updated BIOS for Ryzen 3000 for that board.

[Princess Luna]

21 minutes ago, Jade0ne said:

you know if my Maximus Hero VIII can power the 9900k? 

 

socket is 1151 so they are compatible but i'm not so sure if i get bottleneck by the mobo

 

EDIT: checked deeply and they are not compatible.

Sadly it isn't... your motherboard is on a dead platform and owning an 6700K there is no CPU you can go to realistically speaking.

 

Are you located on USA? what's your budget?

 

The Ryzen 7 3700X is a great value all around CPU but if you'll work professionally with Premiere Pro specifically you'll still be better served using an Intel processor since it still performs better than Zen 2 and renders faster than even Threadripper CPUs due to its QuickSync hardware acceleration, been this one of the very few cases an Intel build is still justified.

 

A locked i9 9900 could make the pricing more attractive without losing any significant performance since these latest chips already clock really high out of the box.

[Jade0ne]

6 minutes ago, Princess Luna said:

 

Are you located on USA? what's your budget?

 

The Ryzen 7 3700X is a great value all around CPU but if you'll work professionally with Premiere Pro specifically you'll still be better served using an Intel processor since it still performs better than Zen 2 and renders faster than even Threadripper CPUs due to its QuickSync hardware acceleration, been this one of the very few cases an Intel build is still justified.

 

A locked i9 9900 could make the pricing more attractive without losing any significant performance since these latest chips already clock really high out of the box.

i'm on EU, Italy!

 

i wanted to stay around 700€ that means around 500€ for cpu and 200€ for a mobo 

 

so i kinda can afford an i9 9900k.. never heard of 9900

what mobo to pair it up? i was thinking msi z390 gaming pro carbon

 

 

STILL you made a bell ring. i dont have QuickSync, i dont have any intel graphics driver installed! it does help only on render time or also on timeline frameloss?

[Jade0ne]

45 minutes ago, Bearmann said:

I got mixed up on DDR3/DDR4 even though I have the i5-6600K!

 

First you need to start walking the neighbors' dogs so that you can increase your budget a bit. Then I would get this:

 

PCPartPicker Part List

 

CPU: AMD - Ryzen 9 3900X 3.8 GHz 12-Core Processor  (€550.00)
Motherboard: MSI - X470 GAMING PRO CARBON ATX AM4 Motherboard  (€186.41 @ Amazon Italia)
Total: €736.41
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2019-07-17 21:36 CEST+0200

 

I had to guess the price of the 3900X.

 

youtu.be/0GjSiLbCtHU?t=1220

 

youtu.be/oDVUdpcKZMA?t=466

 

Really though, the 3700X does pretty darn good. I don't see much point in getting a 3800X.

 

Since you say you don't care too much about rendering time, I wasn't concerned about losing Intel Quick Sync., and therefore speced out a Ryzen build.

 

Remember that you will need the updated BIOS for Ryzen 3000 for that board.

THIS looks pretty nice! thank you so much!

Quick sync helps only on rendering time?

 

tho... do you think between 3700x and 3900x the cost is worth my money for what i have to use it for?

[Princess Luna]

4 minutes ago, Jade0ne said:

i dont have any intel graphics driver installed! it does help only on render time or also on timeline frameloss?

It helps on previews, rendering, I believe even the frameloss... you have to go to your motherboard BIOS and enable your integrated iGPU, the i7 6700K has one... once it is enable Windows Update will ensure the Intel driver is up and running without conflicting with nVidia's... then all you gotta do is enable QuickSync on Premiere.

 

This video seems to be a solid tutorial, sorry that I can't look about it for you more in depth right now:

About the locked i9 9900 it really only is available on the USA I think... so that's a bit of a shame... but do try looking around your major retailers, the good about it is that you could upgrade for much cheaper, using a Hyper 212 Black Edition for sufficient cooling and a cheap B365 board, meaning you'd be saving enough to counter the "value proposition" of Ryzen while still having a better hardware for your workload.

 

[Bearmann]

16 minutes ago, Jade0ne said:

THIS looks pretty nice! thank you so much!

1. Quick sync helps only on rendering time?

2. tho... do you think between 3700x and 3900x the cost is worth my money for what i have to use it for?

You're welcome.

 

1. That's my understanding of it. Here is more information about Quick Sync:

 

www.youtube.com/watch?v=7wOBGmxyBEs ; (skip computer building from 2:30 to 9:35 minutes)

 

www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tj6rUdhmIvQ

 

www.youtube.com/watch?v=ofdh-THQFpE

 

www.youtube.com/watch?v=LeFsX6TM2aU

 

2. All I know is from those videos.The 3700X did a very good job, I think. Since you are video editing for work, it may be worth it for the 3900X, but you will have to decide. If you decide on the 3700X, you could go with something like this:

 

 

PCPartPicker Part List

 

CPU: AMD - Ryzen 7 3700X 3.6 GHz 8-Core Processor  (€377.99 @ Alternate Italia)
Motherboard: MSI - B450M MORTAR Micro ATX AM4 Motherboard  (€101.13 @ Amazon Italia)
Total: €479.12
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2019-07-17 23:02 CEST+0200

 

Remember that you will need the updated BIOS for Ryzen 3000 for that board.

[Bearmann]

Here you can see it saves a lot of time with rendering, but Quick Sync quality is reportedly not quite as good as standard rendering if you are a pixel peeper. It is also limited to one pass encoding, I think. It doesn't work on two pass encoding.

 

youtu.be/unyD3Qdh7Kc?t=224

[Jade0ne]

13 hours ago, Bearmann said:

You're welcome.

 

1. That's my understanding of it. Here is more information about Quick Sync:

 

www.youtube.com/watch?v=7wOBGmxyBEs ; (skip computer building from 2:30 to 9:35 minutes)

 

www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tj6rUdhmIvQ

 

www.youtube.com/watch?v=ofdh-THQFpE

 

www.youtube.com/watch?v=LeFsX6TM2aU

 

2. All I know is from those videos.The 3700X did a very good job, I think. Since you are video editing for work, it may be worth it for the 3900X, but you will have to decide. If you decide on the 3700X, you could go with something like this:

 

 

PCPartPicker Part List

 

CPU: AMD - Ryzen 7 3700X 3.6 GHz 8-Core Processor  (€377.99 @ Alternate Italia)
Motherboard: MSI - B450M MORTAR Micro ATX AM4 Motherboard  (€101.13 @ Amazon Italia)
Total: €479.12
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2019-07-17 23:02 CEST+0200

 

Remember that you will need the updated BIOS for Ryzen 3000 for that board.

with those video you kinda made me wonder if intel is better in my particular case lol

even getting something older than the 9900k could actually work? like the 8700k but pricing are like the 3700x that is way more recent.. dunno if the 9700k is worth without hyperthread.

 

i am so confused xD

[Bearmann]

3 hours ago, Jade0ne said:

with those video you kinda made me wonder if intel is better in my particular case lol

even getting something older than the 9900k could actually work? like the 8700k but pricing are like the 3700x that is way more recent.. dunno if the 9700k is worth without hyperthread.

 

i am so confused

Well, I find it difficult too, esp. since I don't do video editing my understanding is limited. I thought with the rendering, though, that you can set everything up and walk away while it churns away on your project? Those videos came out prior to Ryzen 3000 and I've been trying to find out the current thinking. Hardware Unboxed uses 2 step encoding, so they can't use Intel Quick Sync. I never got a reply from Gamers Nexus. Puget Systems does extensive testing with various programs including Premier Pro, but AMD would only send them a 3600, so they are having to purchase the other chips as they are released and this has put them behind other testers. You may want to wait until their testing is available. The other thing is that Quick Sync only helps with the rendering portion, correct? I've heard what people really want is faster time line response. You also have to consider if you might switch to or add Da Vinci Resolve or another program at some point which won't benefit from Intel Quick Sync but will benefit from extra threads.

 

You can compare the the 8700K and 9700K at Puget Systems:

https://www.pugetsystems.com/labs/articles/Premiere-Pro-CC-2018-Core-i7-9700K-i9-9900K-Performance-1254/

 

You should run Quick Sync on your current system and then let me know what you learned.

[Jade0ne]

6 hours ago, Bearmann said:

You can compare the the 8700K and 9700K at Puget Systems:

https://www.pugetsystems.com/labs/articles/Premiere-Pro-CC-2018-Core-i7-9700K-i9-9900K-Performance-1254/

 

You should run Quick Sync on your current system and then let me know what you learned.

 

that article made me even more confused.. i mean there is a difference of 4-6fps from the 2700x and 9900k that are 200€ vs 500€ that make me think: is it really worth the money?

since 8700k is still over 350€ and 9700k aroun 400€ i dont see the point.. i mean if i decide to save money i can go AMD, get more cores at the same frequency and with way more recent tech on them. so i think to closing up my research on 4 CPU: i9 9900k (500€) vs 3900x (550€?) vs 3700x (400€) vs (save ton of money 200€) 2700x.

 

i have the budget so i'm not trying to cheap it out but i kinda hate wasting   also i'm not in a hurry so i can wait a bit longer to check others bench and hear more opinion! but yeah atm i have the equipement to shoot 4k and i dont just bcouse i cant edit it.. kinda suck.

 

i'm going to run quick sync now and will let you know what happens asap  

[Bearmann]

1 hour ago, Jade0ne said:

 

that article made me even more confused.. i mean there is a difference of 4-6fps from the 2700x and 9900k that are 200€ vs 500€ that make me think: is it really worth the money?

since 8700k is still over 350€ and 9700k aroun 400€ i dont see the point.. i mean if i decide to save money i can go AMD, get more cores at the same frequency and with way more recent tech on them. so i think to closing up my research on 4 CPU: i9 9900k (500€) vs 3900x (550€?) vs 3700x (400€) vs (save ton of money 200€) 2700x.

 

i have the budget so i'm not trying to cheap it out but i kinda hate wasting   also i'm not in a hurry so i can wait a bit longer to check others bench and hear more opinion! but yeah atm i have the equipement to shoot 4k and i dont just bcouse i cant edit it.. kinda suck.

 

i'm going to run quick sync now and will let you know what happens asap  

Here are the recommendations prior to Ryzen 3000:

 

https://www.pugetsystems.com/recommended/Recommended-Systems-for-Adobe-Premiere-Pro-CC-143/Hardware-Recommendations

 

Well, the 3700X came out at the same list price as the 2700X, it's just that now they have put the 2700X's on sale trying to clear them out. No reason not to take advantage of a good sale, though   You could get a nice B450 or X470 MB now with the 2700(X) and use it. Later, when the 3900X's go down in price, you could trade up if you see the need.

 

Maybe all you really needed was Quick Sync! I've heard that people can process on a laptop using it, but maybe not 4K.

[Jade0ne]

not so sure how to feel...

 

those screenshots are from 1080p video with only some little effects i just trow in for test..

stabilization

 

playback after stabilization

with 1080p video even if goes up to 100% fps loss was minor and i had good FPS overall.. but still 1080p!!

 

playback with only time manipulation

that was a surpise in terms of how the cpu workload dropped and it used 100% "GPU" of the cpu. still with 1080p video i had 2FPS average  

 

 

 

i will do more testing tomorrow since here is almost 1am! 

[Bearmann]

Goodnight!

[Bearmann]

Regarding your testing, I don't think 1080p provides a large enough workload to see much benefit.

 

 

Puget has completed their testing of the new Ryzen chips:

 

https://www.pugetsystems.com/labs/articles/Premiere-Pro-CPU-Roundup-AMD-Ryzen-3-AMD-Threadripper-2-Intel-9th-Gen-Intel-X-series-1535/