Air Cooler for Ryzen 3600/3700x, evo 212, ML240L, MSI Forzr L or Arctic 34 duo

[Boby]

Pleasee help, i need advice which air cooler to choose for Ryzen 3600/3700x, no manual OC, only Precision boost and preferably quite. I personally like the MSI Core Frozr L the most as looks and the CM one.

 

I wonder between:

Arctic Freezer Esports 34 Duo
Evo 212 Black RGB
MSI Core Frozr L
Cooler Master MasterLiquid ML240L

[Slottr]

Stick with the stock cooler, it'll do perfectly for what you want.

[Boby]

I don't want 90C temps at max fan speed, cmon, and 3600 stock cooler is not the RGB one that, its like intel crappy ones.

[Slottr]

2 minutes ago, Boby said:

I don't want 90C temps at max fan speed, cmon, and 3600 stock cooler is not the RGB one that, its like intel crappy ones.

The stock coolers for the ryzen chips are great, much better than Intel's. They can sustain a decent overclock, even.

 

But if you just NEED the aesthetics, out of what you listed I would personally get the Arctic. Don't buy cheap water coolers.

 

By the way, make sure to quote when you respond.

[Bananasplit_00]

this might come as a surprise to you, but the ML240 is infact an AIO and not an air cooler

[Boby]

3 minutes ago, Slottr said:

The stock coolers for the ryzen chips are great, much better than Intel's. They can sustain a decent overclock, even.

 

But if you just NEED the aesthetics, out of what you listed I would personally get the Arctic. Don't buy cheap water coolers.

 

By the way, make sure to quote when you respond.

This is the 3600 stock cooler

 

 

80C without OC at 45 Db noise is not something i call "great" I'm looking something that will keep it in 65C at 35db and 50-70% fan speed at 4.2ghz

[Boby]

1 minute ago, Bananasplit_00 said:

this might come as a surprise to you, but the ML240 is infact an AIO and not an air cooler

Ye i know but the price from the MSI one is only 15 bucks so i included it.

[Vejnemojnen]

any other options @Boby ? Budget-location?

 

The roughly 15USD ID Cooling SE-213V2 or slightly more expensive ID Cooling SE-214X would be a great upgrade compared to stock Wraith Stealth or Wraith Spire coolers.. And they priced very reasonably..

[WoodenMarker]

1 hour ago, Boby said:

65C at 35db and 50-70% fan speed at 4.2ghz

Look at the results in the image you linked. That's 68c with a 280mm AIO and probably at 100% fan speed.

What you're asking for is a bit unreasonable outside of a custom loop or some DIY-type air cooler. 

There are definitely quieter coolers than the stock cooler but you should probably lower your expectations and aim for low noise near ~80c instead. 

Have you tried using the stock cooler first? You can always see how it performs before deciding on whether or not to replace it. 

[Boby]

33 minutes ago, WoodenMarker said:

Look at the results in the image you linked. That's 68c with a 280mm AIO and probably at 100% fan speed.

What you're asking for is a bit unreasonable outside of a custom loop or some DIY-type air cooler. 

There are definitely quieter coolers than the stock cooler but you should probably lower your expectations and aim for low noise near ~80c instead. 

Have you tried using the stock cooler first? You can always see how it performs before deciding on whether or not to replace it. 

The AIO on the image is around 55-60% fans balanced mode, it is H115i. H115i can handle much more then 65w chip and the MSI Frozr l (which i mention as possible option for me in the first post) with only one fan (push) is around 4C difference from the H115i on 130w chip stock and 5C along side with Dark Rock 4 and ML240R on OC. So i don't think it is unreasonable at all, unless this ryzen 3000 chips are extremely hot.

 

The Wraith prism stock cooler on 3700x and 3900x is not that bad altho it is abit on the loud side with 39db by spec i still won't use it on 8 and 12 cores. However on the 3600 CPU it is not the Wraith prism cooler, it is Wraith Stealth which is terrible. Wraith Stealth  gives 12+C vs Wraith Prism. There are three different stock coolers in ryzen 3000 in total.

 

 

 

And here you can see the whopping 21C difference on OC with CM EVO 212 vs Wraith Spire 3600x (which is better then the Wraith Stealth 3600).

 

As i said, my main goal is to have quite and cool chip, so stock cooler is not an option for me, and i don't know why are you keep suggesting them as it is known how bad they are compared to other coolers. I would like advice which do you think its best for the job from the 4 options i mention in my first post.

 

Thx

[WoodenMarker]

18 minutes ago, Boby said:

The AIO on the image is around 55-60% fans balanced mode

Where's that mentioned? I'm pretty sure it's from here but correct me if I'm wrong: https://www.techspot.com/review/1871-amd-ryzen-3600/

--but I don't see any mention of fan speed. In the future, please post links instead of just screenshots. 

2 hours ago, Boby said:

This is the 3600 stock cooler

80C without OC at 45 Db noise is not something i call "great"

Where was the noise level mentioned?

20 minutes ago, Boby said:

4C difference from the H115i on 130w chip stock and 5C along side with Dark Rock 4 and ML240R on OC

The Wraith prism stock cooler on 3700x and 3900x is not that bad altho it is abit on the loud side with 39db by spec

 

As i said, my main goal is to have quite and cool chip, so stock cooler is not an option for me, and i don't know why are you keep suggesting them as it is known how bad they are compared to other coolers. I would like advice which do you think its best for the job from the 4 options i mention in my first post.

Temperature delta can't be plainly translated between different tests. The difference lowers with a lighter load and widens as load increases. 

There's little to no regulation on how cooler specs are measured between different manufacturers so they're generally not reliable for comparisons. Look at benchmarks and in-depth reviews instead. 

 

What case and ram are you using?

Where are you shopping / located? Budget? Why are you looking at these coolers in particular? None of them are particularly known for being very quiet.

[Boby]

3 hours ago, WoodenMarker said:

Where's that mentioned? I'm pretty sure it's from here but correct me if I'm wrong: https://www.techspot.com/review/1871-amd-ryzen-3600/

--but I don't see any mention of fan speed. In the future, please post links instead of just screenshots. 

Where was the noise level mentioned?

Temperature delta can't be plainly translated between different tests. The difference lowers with a lighter load and widens as load increases. 

There's little to no regulation on how cooler specs are measured between different manufacturers so they're generally not reliable for comparisons. Look at benchmarks and in-depth reviews instead. 

 

What case and ram are you using?

Where are you shopping / located? Budget? Why are you looking at these coolers in particular? None of them are particularly known for being very quiet.

The data i have linked is from benchmarks, specifically for H115i - https://www.guru3d.com/articles_pages/corsair_h115i_platinum_review,10.html

You can see that MSI Frozr L is at 63c with 4/5c difference from h115 (59/58c) on OC  up to 130w chip and better then dark rock pro 4 and it is 34db under load.

 

Noise level on the stock AMD coolers is mentioned on the AMD website in the foot note:

https://www.amd.com/en/technologies/cpu-cooler-solution

"Subject to use according to product specifications. The AMD Wraith cooler has a maximum noise level of 39dbA. The AMD D3 cooler, which the Wraith Cooler has replaced on certain CPUs, has a maximum noise level of 51 dbA. "

It is unclear how AMD measure noise level, as there is no standard at what distance should be measured, but i have personally heard them, its loud, much louder then what I'm comfortable with, and its normal for such a small fan at this rpm.

 

I don't have hard budget, i chose what i like and think its good fit for my build, but it doesn't make much sense to me to get 150$+ coolers for 200$ CPU Furthermore, I'm using 212 EVO on my rig and i like it very much, it does cool my i5 3570k OC @4.3ghz CPU up to 80W and it is quite under heavy load with around 50%-60% fan speed with max 71C on benchmark and around 60-65C in games, i had H100i which i returned as pump noise is too much for me and the cooling was the same vs the evo I like this coolers as they offer good cooling at good noise level and price, additionally i can always throw one Noctua fan for push/pull on those coolers.

 

Additionally, Cooler Master themselves recommend EVO 212 variants or ML240L for 3600, 3600x, 3700x and MA610P for 3800x and MA620P for 3900x. See https://landing.coolermaster.com/pages/all-coolers-ready-for-thrid-generation-amd-ryzen3000-cpus/

 

And AMD cooler TDP recommendations are here:

 

Wraith Stealth (Ryzen 3600 stock cooler) is rated at 65W TDP - http://www.relaxedtech.com/reviews/amd/wraith-max-and-wraith-spire-cooler/1

Wraith Spire (Ryzen 3600x stock cooler) is rated at 95W TDP - http://www.relaxedtech.com/reviews/amd/wraith-max-and-wraith-spire-cooler/1

Wraith Prism (Ryzen 3700x, 3800x, 3900x stock cooler) is rated at 140W TDP - http://www.relaxedtech.com/reviews/amd/wraith-max-and-wraith-spire-cooler/1

 

Hyper EVO 212 is rated at 150W TDP 9-36 dBA, 9-31 dBA(EU Version) - https://landing.coolermaster.com/pages/tdp-and-socket-compatibility/

Hyper 212 LED Turbo (Push/Pull) is rated at 150W TDP 9-31 dBA - https://landing.coolermaster.com/pages/tdp-and-socket-compatibility/

MSI Core Frozer l is rated at 200W TDP  17.2 ~ 33.6 dBA - https://www.msi.com/Graphics-card/CORE-FROZR-L.html

CM ML240L RGB is rated at 210W TDP - https://landing.coolermaster.com/pages/tdp-and-socket-compatibility/

Freezer 34 eSports DUO is rated at 210W TDP - https://www.arctic.ac/eu_en/freezer-34-esports-duo.html

DARK ROCK PRO 4 is rated at 250W TDP and only 24.3 DB at max fan speed - https://www.bequiet.com/en/cpucooler/1378

 

Noctua and Corsair don't list their TDP

 

As you can see AMD coolers don't meet their own TDP recommendations from the video

 

Unfortunately there is no single benchmark including the three options i wonder in between, and while their performance should be close, exact numbers is better, and its best the hear from people that use them. It would be good if someone make benchmark on mid range air coolers for the new Ryzen CPU's, otherwise we will have to trust manufacturers words about the rated TDP

 

The case I'm planing to use is:

https://www.thermaltake.com/commander-c35-tg-argb-edition.html

I always use HAF cases with additional noctua fans to make the system quite as much as possible.

Memory 3200cl16 or 3600mhz

 

 

[asand1]

The stock cooler is not what it used to be. It has lost its copper core and is more akin to an Intel cooler now.

https://youtu.be/zHhRPTEJ9GY

[WoodenMarker]

3 hours ago, Boby said:

The data i have linked is from benchmarks, specifically for H115i - https://www.guru3d.com/articles_pages/corsair_h115i_platinum_review,10.html

You can see that MSI Frozr L is at 63c with 4/5c difference from h115 (59/58c) on OC  up to 130w chip and better then dark rock pro 4 and it is 34db under load.

 

Additionally, Cooler Master themselves recommend EVO 212 variants or ML240L for 3600, 3600x, 3700x and MA610P for 3800x and MA620P for 3900x. See https://landing.coolermaster.com/pages/all-coolers-ready-for-thrid-generation-amd-ryzen3000-cpus/

 

As you can see AMD coolers don't meet their own TDP recommendations from the video

Noctua and Corsair don't list their TDP

 

Unfortunately there is no single benchmark including the three options i wonder in between, and while their performance should be close, exact numbers is better, and its best the hear from people that use them. It would be good if someone make benchmark on mid range air coolers for the new Ryzen CPU's, otherwise we will have to trust manufacturers words about the rated TDP

 

The case I'm planing to use is:

https://www.thermaltake.com/commander-c35-tg-argb-edition.html

I always use HAF cases with additional noctua fans to make the system quite as much as possible.

Memory 3200cl16 or 3600mhz

The results you posted earlier are not from the same benchmark. 

The guru3d page you linked where the Core Frozr L keeps the 4790k at 63c is at stock settings and not oc. I'm not sure how you can say it's better than the DRP4 when the article shows them both at 75c at load but the DRP4 remains quieter at 31dBA vs 34 dBA. Perhaps you were looking at the DR4 instead?

The Core Frozr L has some great showings but is also outperformed by coolers worse than the DRP4 such as the NH-U12S and NiC 5. The performance seems a bit inconsistent.

https://www.tweaktown.com/reviews/8033/msi-core-frozr-cpu-cooler-review/index6.html

https://www.techpowerup.com/review/msi-core-frozr-l/6.html

 

The only Hyper 212 Evo variants are due to regional versions like the EU version that ships with a lower rpm fan. There are plenty of other Hyper 212's but they're not 'Evos'. 

 

TDP is measured differently across different sockets and manufacturers and they're generally only useful for comparing products from the same manufacturer or a particular lineup. 

I don't see where AMD's coolers aren't meeting the TDP recommendations from the video. If you're referring to the 140w TDP cooler being more than enough for a 95w chip, that's true. That's not the same as saying a 140w TDP cooler is the requirement.

Noctua has an in-depth cpu compatbility list which is arguably better than a specified TDP. https://noctua.at/en/nh-d15/cpucomp

Corsair is generally pretty disappointing when it comes to documentation on specs. That being said, their entire lineup of coolers nowadays are generally enough for any cpu at stock speeds so listing TDP is far from necessary. 

 

It'll be a while before people start comparing many coolers on the new cpus since that would mean having to retest many coolers instead of reusing old results for comparisons. 

For now, it'd make more sense to just get a cooler that's likely good enough and known to be quiet. 

 

Can you be a bit more specific about the ram? Cooler clearance may be limited by the height of the ram especially if you're opting for ram with tall heatsinks.

Where are you shopping / located?

[Boby]

6 hours ago, WoodenMarker said:

The results you posted earlier are not from the same benchmark. 

The guru3d page you linked where the Core Frozr L keeps the 4790k at 63c is at stock settings and not oc. I'm not sure how you can say it's better than the DRP4 when the article shows them both at 75c at load but the DRP4 remains quieter at 31dBA vs 34 dBA. Perhaps you were looking at the DR4 instead?

The Core Frozr L has some great showings but is also outperformed by coolers worse than the DRP4 such as the NH-U12S and NiC 5. The performance seems a bit inconsistent.

https://www.tweaktown.com/reviews/8033/msi-core-frozr-cpu-cooler-review/index6.html

https://www.techpowerup.com/review/msi-core-frozr-l/6.html

 

The only Hyper 212 Evo variants are due to regional versions like the EU version that ships with a lower rpm fan. There are plenty of other Hyper 212's but they're not 'Evos'. 

 

TDP is measured differently across different sockets and manufacturers and they're generally only useful for comparing products from the same manufacturer or a particular lineup. 

I don't see where AMD's coolers aren't meeting the TDP recommendations from the video. If you're referring to the 140w TDP cooler being more than enough for a 95w chip, that's true. That's not the same as saying a 140w TDP cooler is the requirement.

Noctua has an in-depth cpu compatbility list which is arguably better than a specified TDP. https://noctua.at/en/nh-d15/cpucomp

Corsair is generally pretty disappointing when it comes to documentation on specs. That being said, their entire lineup of coolers nowadays are generally enough for any cpu at stock speeds so listing TDP is far from necessary. 

 

It'll be a while before people start comparing many coolers on the new cpus since that would mean having to retest many coolers instead of reusing old results for comparisons. 

For now, it'd make more sense to just get a cooler that's likely good enough and known to be quiet. 

 

Can you be a bit more specific about the ram? Cooler clearance may be limited by the height of the ram especially if you're opting for ram with tall heatsinks.

Where are you shopping / located?

Earlier in my post i said Dark Rock 4, the later replay "pro" is mistake, so ye i mean DR4. I don't think that MSI performance is inconsistent, its just a measure of what TDP you are testing on, it will be good at 65-80-90W TDP and mediocre to bad at anything above, its exactly the same as the Evo 212 on the techpowerup review you linked, they both jump around 20C under OC load.

While it is true that TDP is measured differently between manufacturers, it is still very well comparable in terms of choosing cooling, otherwise no one will use this measurement.

 

Remember that TDP on the cooler means the maximum TDP cooler can "handle", not the TDP they are most "efficient" at. As a rule of thumb, you need to double the chip TDP for the cooler to be efficient and reasonably quite and add 35% more for mild OC.

 

AMD guy on the video said that he recommend 140W TDP cooler for a 95W Chip as "Middle ground", and yet they ship 65W TDP Cooler for 65W TDP CPU (R 3600) which is bare minimum, and i said they don't meet their recommendations not their requirements.

 

As memory I'm planing to use Corsair Vengeance LPX - CMK16GX4M2B3200C16

 

Thanks

 

 

 

[Boby]

7 hours ago, asand1 said:

The stock cooler is not what it used to be. It has lost its copper core and is more akin to an Intel cooler now.

https://youtu.be/zHhRPTEJ9GY

Thanks for the link man, this is even worse...

[pizapower]

The 3600 stock cooler.

[WoodenMarker]

7 hours ago, Boby said:

I don't think that MSI performance is inconsistent, its just a measure of what TDP you are testing on, it will be good at 65-80-90W TDP and mediocre to bad at anything above its exactly the same as the Evo 212 on the techpowerup review you linked, they both jump around 20C under OC load.

While it is true that TDP is measured differently between manufacturers, it is still very well comparable in terms of choosing cooling, otherwise no one will use this measurement.

 

AMD guy on the video said that he recommend 140W TDP cooler for a 95W Chip as "Middle ground", and yet they ship 65W TDP Cooler for 65W TDP CPU (R 3600) which is bare minimum, and i said they don't meet their recommendations not their requirements.

Every cooler performs inconsistently and some are more consistent than others. It's pretty apparent when you look at enough benchmarks and see that they don't seem to agree on which cooler performs better. With enough data, a clearer picture can be painted about which cooler is consistently better.

TDP is more useful than nothing but I wouldn't say they're better than test results. Heavier loads would be better to draw results from since it'll eventually force coolers to fail. Up until that point, every cooler is viable in terms of cooling well enough and the optimal cooler will keep temps for as high of a load as possible. That's why I recommend looking at the highest load to separate which cooler is best. TDP is useful for finding out which cooler is sufficient for a cpu but it won't be enough to tell which is better. It's very much a 'rough recommendation' and not a hard number. The method to finding out what cooler is good enough isn't what's just barely enough but instead just overcompensating which is why so many coolers can perform differently despite the same rated TDP. Take the various single fan models of the Hyper 212 line for example that are all rated at 150w. https://linustechtips.com/main/topic/1049446-your-thoughts-on-cooler-master-212-black-rgb/?do=findComment&comment=12438917

A 65w cooler isn't necessarily bare minimum for a cpu with a TDP of 65w. Due to how adequate cooler performance is based on overcompensating for what's needed and how TDP may be a measure or average expected or peak load, that 65w cooler performance may range between usually enough and always enough. 

 

"Middle of the road" can be referring to where the cooler stacks compared to most aftermarket solutions. A cooler recommendation was never made in the video. The closest thing to a recommendation was what came after 'For example'. 

 

Where are you shopping / located?

 

[Boby]

26 minutes ago, WoodenMarker said:

Every cooler performs inconsistently and some are more consistent than others. It's pretty apparent when you look at enough benchmarks and see that they don't seem to agree on which cooler performs better. With enough data, a clearer picture can be painted about which cooler is consistently better.

TDP is more useful than nothing but I wouldn't say they're better than test results. Heavier loads would be better to draw results from since it'll eventually force coolers to fail. Up until that point, every cooler is viable in terms of cooling well enough and the optimal cooler will keep temps for as high of a load as possible. That's why I recommend looking at the highest load to separate which cooler is best. TDP is useful for finding out which cooler is sufficient for a cpu but it won't be enough to tell which is better. It's very much a 'rough recommendation' and not a hard number. The method to finding out what cooler is good enough isn't what's just barely enough but instead just overcompensating which is why so many coolers can perform differently despite the same rated TDP. Take the various single fan models of the Hyper 212 line for example that are all rated at 150w. https://linustechtips.com/main/topic/1049446-your-thoughts-on-cooler-master-212-black-rgb/?do=findComment&comment=12438917

A 65w cooler isn't necessarily bare minimum for a cpu with a TDP of 65w. Due to how adequate cooler performance is based on overcompensating for what's needed and how TDP may be a measure or average expected or peak load, that 65w cooler performance may range between usually enough and always enough. 

 

"Middle of the road" can be referring to where the cooler stacks compared to most aftermarket solutions. A cooler recommendation was never made in the video. The closest thing to a recommendation was what came after 'For example'. 

 

Where are you shopping / located?

 

Well you say most of the things i said but in different words, altho there are points i don't agree Ofc benchmarks are the best, but at this point there isn't much. Its strange how many tech channels are out there and there isn't much MB and Coolers reviews, probably will come in months later. Anyway, why do you need my location and shopping? its kinda personal info i don't feel comfortable sharing publicly, if its for coolers recommendations, name your choices, what you will put and why i will figure it out how or where to find them, if i like it

 Thank you.

[WoodenMarker]

1 hour ago, Boby said:

Its strange how many tech channels are out there and there isn't much MB and Coolers reviews, probably will come in months later. Anyway, why do you need my location and shopping? its kinda personal info i don't feel comfortable sharing publicly, if its for coolers recommendations, name your choices, what you will put and why i will figure it out how or where to find them, if i like it

There aren't many motherboard reviews since they're generally good enough and it's mainly listing features which isn't very interesting for most people. Testing coolers is a lot of work and it's hard to get a good spread of comparisons between older / newer coolers that are relevant for comparisons especially on a newer platform. 

 

Pricing and availability varies depending on where you're shopping. There are too many viable coolers to just list out. You mentioned not having a budget but it seemed like you wanted a good value. 

We're generally just asking for the region which can just be the country if that's not too specific. 

Otherwise, you may just be limited to the 4 coolers; of which, I'd go with the Core Frozr L. 

[Boby]

21 minutes ago, WoodenMarker said:

There aren't many motherboard reviews since they're generally good enough and it's mainly listing features which isn't very interesting for most people. Testing coolers is a lot of work and it's hard to get a good spread of comparisons between older / newer coolers that are relevant for comparisons especially on a newer platform. 

 

Pricing and availability varies depending on where you're shopping. There are too many viable coolers to just list out. You mentioned not having a budget but it seemed like you wanted a good value. 

We're generally just asking for the region which can just be the country if that's not too specific. 

Otherwise, you may just be limited to the 4 coolers; of which, I'd go with the Core Frozr L. 

Thanks, Its strange that majority of the builds i saw on pcpartpickers report around 70-80 C under load regardless of the coolers used, few exceptions are in the 65's

 

[StarsMars]

On 7/14/2019 at 2:39 PM, Boby said:

I don't want 90C temps at max fan speed, cmon, and 3600 stock cooler is not the RGB one that, its like intel crappy ones.

At 65w peak, you shouldn't be running anything less than a 30000 gallon pool. Make sure your pc case is lined in titanium. Wouldn't want to have another chernobyl.

 

Actual footage of a 3600 being powered on

 

Just grab the Arctic Freezer Esports 34 Duo, or  the Evo 212 Black RGB. Either one is going to be plenty.

[Sparky_Fr]

It's simple.. I have a 2600 @4.2 Ghz on all cores with my hyper 212 evo.. It never goes above 72c after many hours of gaming.. 

 

If you want to save some cash get the simple and effective 212.. If you want good looks then pay more and chose anything non low profile  

[toobladink]

On 7/14/2019 at 11:42 AM, Slottr said:

The stock coolers for the ryzen chips are great, much better than Intel's. They can sustain a decent overclock, even.

 

But if you just NEED the aesthetics, out of what you listed I would personally get the Arctic. Don't buy cheap water coolers.

I'm going to disagree, the Wraith Stealth isn't great at all. It's actually the LOUDEST component in my system and my temps aren't anything to write home about. The Prism and Spire are good, but the 3600 comes with the stealth cooler and I really don't like it. The wraith stealth is simply too small - its smaller fan requires it to spin faster to move more air and the amount of metal is pretty small. Even the type of metal isn't very ideal. I feel like if it was just a half inch taller and wider in diameter, it would be a quiet stock cooler that couldn't allow the CPU to get over 80C.

[WoodenMarker]

3 hours ago, StarsMars said:

Just grab the Arctic Freezer Esports 34 Duo, or  the Evo 212 Black RGB. Either one is going to be plenty.

3 hours ago, Sparky_Fr said:

It's simple.. I have a 2600 @4.2 Ghz on all cores with my hyper 212 evo.. It never goes above 72c after many hours of gaming.. 

If you want to save some cash get the simple and effective 212.. If you want good looks then pay more and chose anything non low profile  

Enough cooling doesn't necessarily mean quiet. The 2600 is also easier to cool.

You can see some comparisons here with the NH-U14S with NF-A15's in push / pull for cooling: https://www.computerbase.de/2019-07/amd-ryzen-3000-test/4/