3600 vs 3600x vs 3700x which is best for gaming

[GloriousPain]

If you're just gaming I'd say 3600, anything more and it's upto you between 3700x and 3900x imho that's up to you. 

[dgsddfgdfhgs]

for gaming, price gap between 3700x & 3600 is pretty huge, you could always get a better gpu with that much money saved

[Jedibrysen]

6 minutes ago, GloriousPain said:

If you're just gaming I'd say 3600, anything more and it's upto you between 3700x and 3900x imho that's up to you. 

I game and stream but use my gpu to stream Right now I have a 2700x

[Jedibrysen]

3 minutes ago, dgsddfgdfhgs said:

for gaming, price gap between 3700x & 3600 is pretty huge, you could always get a better gpu with that much money saved

Would you recommend the 3600x 

[GloriousPain]

2 minutes ago, Jedibrysen said:

I game and stream but use my gpu to stream Right now I have a 2700x

 

2 minutes ago, Jedibrysen said:

Would you recommend the 3600x 

I'd suggest the 3600. The 3600x is the exact same processor except with a 100Mhz higher boost clock, and it comes with AMD's 95w cooler. But if you get any sort of aftermarket cooling then you can easily OC away that difference, and the cooling it comes with won't matter. Or even at stock with their box coolers they still perform very very similarly. Same architecture, same number of cores, the only difference is the 100mhz and the slight stock cooler difference. 

 

The 3600 still beats the 2700x in most cases just due to higher IPC making up the core count disparity in all but super threaded workloads. If you wanna spend more money just for the sake of it get a 3700x then it's no contest a flat out upgrade in every way; faster cores and in the same quantities as you have now.

[dgsddfgdfhgs]

6 minutes ago, Jedibrysen said:

Would you recommend the 3600x 

well if you have $50 spare cash and no where else to spend... why not

but dont expect any thing noticeable 

[Jedibrysen]

4 minutes ago, GloriousPain said:

 

I'd suggest the 3600. The 3600x is the exact same processor except with a 100Mhz higher boost clock, and it comes with AMD's 95w cooler. But if you get any sort of aftermarket cooling then you can easily OC away that difference, and the cooling it comes with won't matter. Or even at stock with their box coolers they still perform very very similarly. Same architecture, same number of cores, the only difference is the 100mhz and the slight stock cooler difference. 

 

The 3600 still beats the 2700x in most cases just due to higher IPC making up the core count disparity in all but super threaded workloads. If you wanna spend more money just for the sake of it get a 3700x then it's no contest a flat out upgrade in every way; faster cores and in the same quantities as you have now.

Most benchmarks show that the 3600 X is up by like 3 to 4% in single core

[GloriousPain]

Just now, Jedibrysen said:

Most benchmarks show that the 3600 X is up by like 3 to 4% in single core

That's about a 100Mhz difference like I said.  I mean just divide 4.3/4.2  and you'll notice it's a 2.5% difference. Really within margin of error of 3/4%.

[Jedibrysen]

4 minutes ago, GloriousPain said:

That's about a 100Mhz difference like I said.  I mean just divide 4.3/4.2  and you'll notice it's a 2.5% difference. Really within margin of error of 3/4%.

Yeah there both really good way better then the 2700x for gaming so it’s your choice I’m not gonna choose I’m getting community feed

[TE5LA]

I am building a new rig and have everything except the CPU. I was looking for the Ryzen 7 3700X (great release, AMD, with no product in any stores) and while waiting for these mysterious chips to appear, I began thinking...

 

Since I will want to upgrade my GPU soon too, and currently have a Zotac GTX 980 Ti AMP! Edition, I would obviously want something really worth upgrading. I have kept it for this long because there really wasn't anything much better for a reasonable upgrade (budget wise). So here's my thought (and question):

 

If a 3700X is $329 and a 3600X is $249 ($80 difference), wouldn't my overall performance (within the same budget) be better with a $400 GPU like an RTX 2060 Super and a 3600X than getting the 3700X and a GPU around $320?  Because I don't think there's anything around $320 that would be better than my 980 Ti.

 

I am also concerned about the 3700X having seen several reviews where that CPU suffered stuttering in games where the 3600X did not.

[Manjushri13]

2 minutes ago, TE5LA said:

I am building a new rig and have everything except the CPU. I was looking for the Ryzen 7 3700X (great release, AMD, with no product in any stores) and while waiting for these mysterious chips to appear, I began thinking...

 

Since I will want to upgrade my GPU soon too, and currently have a Zotac GTX 980 Ti AMP! Edition, I would obviously want something really worth upgrading. I have kept it for this long because there really wasn't anything much better for a reasonable upgrade (budget wise). So here's my thought (and question):

 

If a 3700X is $329 and a 3600X is $249 ($80 difference), wouldn't my overall performance (within the same budget) be better with a $400 GPU like an RTX 2060 Super and a 3600X than getting the 3700X and a GPU around $320?  Because I don't think there's anything around $320 that would be better than my 980 Ti.

 

I am also concerned about the 3700X having seen several reviews where that CPU suffered stuttering in games where the 3600X did not.

Do you want Ray Tracing? The 5700XT has better performance for the same price, and will be my upgrade after I grab a 3700X. The 3700x or the 3600 are pretty much the choices, and the 3700X has about 8 -12 % better gaming performance. The stuttering is a misnomer, Ryzen CPU's generally have more solid performance at the 0.1% lowest framerates than Intel in a lot of games, even ones where Intel get's higher max FPS. If they were having any issues, it must have been drivers or something they were doing.

 

As far as whats better than your 980ti there is tons of stuff better than that at this point. Especially for that price. Get 30 more bucks and both the AMD 350$ and thwe Nvidia 350$ GPU are better than the 980ti. That was 2 generations ago.

 

If you are going for 1080p gaming at 144hz + with the possibility to upgrade to 1440p 90 - 144hz with the same gear, a 3700x and a 5700XT is perfect especially since 1080p gaming really likes a fast CPU, but a 3600 (non X, it only gives like a 3% upgrade) and the 5700XT would be great too. (1440p just relies more on the GPU and so performance among different CPUs, at least right now, kinda flattens out) The issue is mostly in the fact that these CPUs are hugely popular and since Ryzen 1000 series launched more and more games benefit from higher core amount. Plus the new consoles are going to have 8 cores. So as time goes on more cores will be even better than they are now.

 

I would really wanna upgrade from that 980ti, and 300-400 dollars is a great price category. New games are not made now with the 900 series in mind really as most have upgraded - Pascal (1080ti and others) was insanely popular, and the RTX series just improved on it. The RX5700 XT is at 2060 Super levels and beyond, plus is a newer architecture so should give you better performance overall.

 

https://gpu.userbenchmark.com/Compare/Nvidia-GTX-980-Ti-vs-AMD-RX-5700-XT/3439vs4045

 

The discussion on the details for the RX 5700 XT is significant. The thing nips at the heals of the 1080/ti in certain games/applications and is 100 less than a used one. It's a big consider, especially if the new AMD stuff like Image Sharpening ends up being great. Good luck!

[TE5LA]

1 hour ago, Manjushri13 said:

Do you want Ray Tracing? The 5700XT has better performance for the same price, and will be my upgrade after I grab a 3700X. The 3700x or the 3600 are pretty much the choices, and the 3700X has about 8 -12 % better gaming performance. The stuttering is a misnomer, Ryzen CPU's generally have more solid performance at the 0.1% lowest framerates than Intel in a lot of games, even ones where Intel get's higher max FPS. If they were having any issues, it must have been drivers or something they were doing.

 

As far as whats better than your 980ti there is tons of stuff better than that at this point. Especially for that price. Get 30 more bucks and both the AMD 350$ and thwe Nvidia 350$ GPU are better than the 980ti. That was 2 generations ago.

 

If you are going for 1080p gaming at 144hz + with the possibility to upgrade to 1440p 90 - 144hz with the same gear, a 3700x and a 5700XT is perfect especially since 1080p gaming really likes a fast CPU, but a 3600 (non X, it only gives like a 3% upgrade) and the 5700XT would be great too. (1440p just relies more on the GPU and so performance among different CPUs, at least right now, kinda flattens out) The issue is mostly in the fact that these CPUs are hugely popular and since Ryzen 1000 series launched more and more games benefit from higher core amount. Plus the new consoles are going to have 8 cores. So as time goes on more cores will be even better than they are now.

 

I would really wanna upgrade from that 980ti, and 300-400 dollars is a great price category. New games are not made now with the 900 series in mind really as most have upgraded - Pascal (1080ti and others) was insanely popular, and the RTX series just improved on it. The RX5700 XT is at 2060 Super levels and beyond, plus is a newer architecture so should give you better performance overall.

 

https://gpu.userbenchmark.com/Compare/Nvidia-GTX-980-Ti-vs-AMD-RX-5700-XT/3439vs4045

 

The discussion on the details for the RX 5700 XT is significant. The thing nips at the heals of the 1080/ti in certain games/applications and is 100 less than a used one. It's a big consider, especially if the new AMD stuff like Image Sharpening ends up being great. Good luck!

I wanted  an AMD card but the heat and noise levels are way out of my limits. I like quiet. I currently run a fanless PSU and an i7-2600K, also fanless. I'm already running 1440 and my 980 Ti runs everything maxed at good frame rates, typically 60+.

 

Yes, $350 is the minimum of a GPU that will outperform my 980 Ti, but I don't think it would be that significant. I thought the 2060 Super was better than the current 2070? The current 2070 is faster than the RX5700 in tests I've seen: +70% multi-rendering, +93% peak multi-rendering, +24% peak nBody calculation, +21% better peak lighting effects, +33% better peak reflection handling, +18% better reflection handling. Am I reading these incorrectly?

 

I also checked the 5700 against 1080 Ti and appears 1080 Ti beats it easily in above categories.

 

And again, unless someone makes the 5700 without that awful blower design and gets the heat and noise under control, I won't look at it.

 

I will probably hang onto my 980 Ti for the time being and see how the GPUs play out. It plays everything I want to play a very good rates right now. When I find the right GPU, I can sell this and recoup a lot of that. I take excellent care of my products and save all the original materials. You wouldn't know my card is by looking at it. These are also among the fastest of the 980 Ti stock cards. 

 

I'm still uncertain on the CPU but may hold out for the 3700X if they ever appear in stores. Kinda' ticks me off that AMD would make such an announcement and they not be available. I saw one on Amazon by a 3rd-Party seller but they wanted $550 for it. I've seen only one online retailer where you can even pre-order them.

 

I really would like an AMD GPU because the monitor I just got has FreeSync. 

 

Thanks for your feedback.

 

 

[Jedibrysen]

7 hours ago, TE5LA said:

I wanted  an AMD card but the heat and noise levels are way out of my limits. I like quiet. I currently run a fanless PSU and an i7-2600K, also fanless. I'm already running 1440 and my 980 Ti runs everything maxed at good frame rates, typically 60+.

 

Yes, $350 is the minimum of a GPU that will outperform my 980 Ti, but I don't think it would be that significant. I thought the 2060 Super was better than the current 2070? The current 2070 is faster than the RX5700 in tests I've seen: +70% multi-rendering, +93% peak multi-rendering, +24% peak nBody calculation, +21% better peak lighting effects, +33% better peak reflection handling, +18% better reflection handling. Am I reading these incorrectly?

 

I also checked the 5700 against 1080 Ti and appears 1080 Ti beats it easily in above categories.

 

And again, unless someone makes the 5700 without that awful blower design and gets the heat and noise under control, I won't look at it.

 

I will probably hang onto my 980 Ti for the time being and see how the GPUs play out. It plays everything I want to play a very good rates right now. When I find the right GPU, I can sell this and recoup a lot of that. I take excellent care of my products and save all the original materials. You wouldn't know my card is by looking at it. These are also among the fastest of the 980 Ti stock cards. 

 

I'm still uncertain on the CPU but may hold out for the 3700X if they ever appear in stores. Kinda' ticks me off that AMD would make such an announcement and they not be available. I saw one on Amazon by a 3rd-Party seller but they wanted $550 for it. I've seen only one online retailer where you can even pre-order them.

 

I really would like an AMD GPU because the monitor I just got has FreeSync. 

 

Thanks for your feedback.

 

 

Freesync works with Nvidia if it has a Displayport

[spat55]

R5 3600 just for gaming because you can get the Mobo/CPU/RAM for under £350 and it'll be good enough for gaming for the next 3 years easily, once the lack of theads/cores is an issue Intel might have something compelling or AMD might release something else that's better, saving the money now for later isn't always the worst idea.

[DonKashyap]

On 7/9/2019 at 9:09 AM, TE5LA said:

I am building a new rig and have everything except the CPU. I was looking for the Ryzen 7 3700X (great release, AMD, with no product in any stores) and while waiting for these mysterious chips to appear, I began thinking...

 

Since I will want to upgrade my GPU soon too, and currently have a Zotac GTX 980 Ti AMP! Edition, I would obviously want something really worth upgrading. I have kept it for this long because there really wasn't anything much better for a reasonable upgrade (budget wise). So here's my thought (and question):

 

If a 3700X is $329 and a 3600X is $249 ($80 difference), wouldn't my overall performance (within the same budget) be better with a $400 GPU like an RTX 2060 Super and a 3600X than getting the 3700X and a GPU around $320?  Because I don't think there's anything around $320 that would be better than my 980 Ti.

 

I am also concerned about the 3700X having seen several reviews where that CPU suffered stuttering in games where the 3600X did not.

The best will be to get a 5700xt its nearly as powerful as 2070 super just wait for better cooled partner cards its 400$ and it's the only worthy upgrade over the 980ti.  If u can get a 3700x  good but gaming on 3600 is equal in most cases. If you have other stuff to do then you can get it if your budget allows

There must be some bundles soon for 3600 or 3700x with 5700xt where u can save 50$ more look out for them

[TheDankKoosh]

On 7/8/2019 at 4:56 PM, Plutosaurus said:

@Jedibrysen

 

Debauer did a video and essentially the new 3000s have zero OC headroom, and can't even manage advertised boost clocks.

 

All SKUs tapped out between 4.2-4.3ghz  all core at 1.45v manually.

 

Even with exotic ln2 there was unimpressive gains.

 

 

I believe that 1.45v is a bit of a dud to when getting to 4.2-4.3 and the average voltages that I've seen across reviews is closer to a 1.375-1.4v average, the majority of gains to be had on ryzen 3k is in memory oc, timing improvements, and f-clock oc to match half of your ram speed.

[Mister Woof]

6 minutes ago, TheDankKoosh said:

I believe that 1.45v is a bit of a dud to when getting to 4.2-4.3 and the average voltages that I've seen across reviews is closer to a 1.375-1.4v average, the majority of gains to be had on ryzen 3k is in memory oc, timing improvements, and f-clock oc to match half of your ram speed.

He sampled 12 chips.

 

So his sample size is pretty good given that usually reviewers sample size is 1.

[TheDankKoosh]

6 minutes ago, Plutosaurus said:

He sampled 12 chips.

 

So his sample size is pretty good given that usually reviewers sample size is 1.

Oh, well I guess that kinda sucks, hopefully this is only the case with first batch samples, I'm hoping process maturity brings some improvements to this.

[alicskysareblue]

I got the r5 3600 no point in paying 50 dollers more for a small boost, when I can  overclock the cpu itself

[AvogadrosDog]

For me, the 3600X and 3800X are completely pointless and should not be considered. They offer meagre boosts over the 3600 and 3700X, respectively, which can be achieved with a good aftermarket cooler. This was pretty much the same story for previous gen 2600 vs 2600X and 2700 vs 2700X.

 

So that leaves the 3600, 3700X and 3900X. 3900X is out of your budget and frankly unless you're running heavy software applications, media creator or just a general heavy workstation then it's probably a waste of money. (I understands people's needs differ from one person to another).

 

That leaves the 3600 and the 3700X. If you stream, are looking for future proof (i.e. games slowly over the course of a few years shifting to 8c), competing with consoles (which have been confirmed to have 8c/16t Ryzen CPUs for both the PS5 and the Microsoft project whatever) or a powerful gaming and workstation then go for the 3700X.

 

If you're going for pure gaming then 3600 is more suited for you and you can save the money to upgrade another computer part.

 

I'm personally getting the 3700X for gaming and also work (not very heavy applications - labVIEW, Matlab, Sigmaplot, Python, etc.) but also not looking to OC because there's just NO headroom which seems to be another characteristic of Ryzen which I'm fine with. Just going to control the voltage so my temps don't go too high but that shouldn't be a problem.

 

You want to stream and game on fortnight? I'd either go for a 3600 (which competes well against an 8700k for gaming) or a 3700X if you can really justify it. Or just sit with your 2700X for another year, save money and invest into next gen Ryzen and maybe you can get a higher core count CPU that can meet all your needs.

[Debjoy]

On 7/7/2019 at 10:26 PM, Jedibrysen said:

I don’t know which to pick up I have the money to spend up to a 3700x and I don’t know what to get for my Asus X470-pro MB!? Should I also upgrade my MB or not I have 3200 16ms ram too

I would say you can even get away with a 3500 if it's strictly for gaming. There's only 3 - 4% performance difference between 3500 and 3600.

 

In any games (as of now) any of those processors will perform nearly identical. So save some money and spend on the gpu, that will make much more difference. And don't worry about bottlenecks the 3500 can handle a RTX card.