Zen 2 or Zen 3 in 2020 with DDR5 RAM ?

[Turtle Rig]

I am ready to upgrade as Ive had this build since 2012 and it has served me well.  The Zen 2 3800x or whatever the model is does 16 core 5Ghz.  Do I jump on this or wait for Zen 3 in 2020 with DDR5 RAM support ?  Or is DDR5 coming out in 2021 or later ?  In that case I can just opt for a Zen 2.  Im thinking about ThreadRipper but the cores wont be 5Ghz more like 4.7Ghz.  Will the extra threads make up for the Mhz decrease and what not.  Thanks

[LukeSavenije]

look

 

we don't know anything about zen 2, let alone zen 3

 

we can't help with that

[Skiiwee29]

none of the info on Zen 2 is confirmed, its all random rumor BS... Lets pull out a rabbit from our tin foil hat here.. 

[Turtle Rig]

5 minutes ago, Skiiwee29 said:

none of the info on Zen 2 is confirmed, its all random rumor BS... Lets pull out a rabbit from our tin foil hat here.. 

Yeah sorry, Im jumping the gun.  I just dont wanna get the shaft buying a Zen 2 then 1 year later Zen 3 comes with DDR5 support.  However I have read DDR5 is 2021 or 2022 ?  Anyone have more info on the RAM situation and what not.

[Skiiwee29]

Just now, Turtle Rig said:

Yeah sorry, Im jumping the gun.  I just dont wanna get the shaft buying a Zen 2 then 1 year later Zen 3 comes with DDR5 support.  However I have read DDR5 is 2021 or 2022 ?  Anyone have more info on the RAM situation and what not.

I answered your DDR5 questions yesterday.. with multiple factual links to launch information stating later this year, or early 2020. 

[Turtle Rig]

Just now, Skiiwee29 said:

I answered your DDR5 questions yesterday.. with multiple factual links to launch information stating later this year, or early 2020. 

Yes sorry, this was double info.. Zen 3 + RAM situation at same time.  Looks like DDR5 regardless of Zen 2 or Zen 3 is coming very soon like you said Skiiwee29 my firend. 

 

Quick Question Skiiwee29.  If DDR5 is coming at end of 2019 then what about all the Zen 2 and new gen Intel;  Their boards will only support DDR4.  So you have to upgrade to a DDR5 mobo and use the Zen 2 still ?

[Skiiwee29]

Just now, Turtle Rig said:

Yes sorry, this was double info.. Zen 3 + RAM situation at same time.  Looks like DDR5 regardless of Zen 2 or Zen 3 is coming very soon like you said Skiiwee29 my firend. 

 

Quick Question Skiiwee29.  If DDR5 is coming at end of 2019 then what about all the Zen 2 and new gen Intel;  Their boards will only support DDR4.  So you have to upgrade to a DDR5 mobo and use the Zen 2 still ?

Zen 2 will definitely be DDR4. Intel is a bit muddier but if I was a betting man, DDR4 as well. Next gen stuff may be when we may see DDR5. 

[Firewrath9]

ZEN 12 0nm PROCESS WITH HBM7 500TB/s LEAKED
~adoredTV

 

 

no one knows lmao. If i knew what would happen in 2 years, I would'nt be here, I'd be a billionare playing the stock market

[dizmo]

Honestly if you're going to wait for something better, you're always going to be waiting. There will always be something better coming down the pipeline.

I'd just go with Zen2, if it provides the performance boost you're looking for.

[flibberdipper]

Another day, another "give me info about next-gen Zen that nobody has" thread from you.

[GoldenLag]

29 minutes ago, Turtle Rig said:

Im thinking about ThreadRipper but the cores wont be 5Ghz more like 4.7Ghz.

we dont know anything like that, so idk why you are making such an assumption......

29 minutes ago, Turtle Rig said:

Do I jump on this or wait for Zen 3 in 2020 with DDR5 RAM support ?

DDR5 consumer isnt untill 2021 at the earliest

30 minutes ago, Turtle Rig said:

The Zen 2 3800x or whatever the model is does 16 core 5Ghz.

we have literally nothing pointing to that..........

31 minutes ago, Turtle Rig said:

Will the extra threads make up for the Mhz decrease and what not.  Thanks

for what workloads?

 

jeez, just wait a month and you will have the info on the table in front of you. 

[Turtle Rig]

3 minutes ago, flibberdipper said:

Another day, another "give me info about next-gen Zen that nobody has" thread from you.

Sorry this wasn't a pure Zen thread.  It was for me to see when DDR5 RAM is coming out and if its in unisyn with Zen 3.   I already know Zen 2 no body knows what it will be until another month or so.

[fluxdeity]

DDR4 already achieves 50GBps+ throughput. What do we need DDR5 for? Server farms with 300TB+ of data? The average consumer is fine with DDR4.

[Turtle Rig]

Just now, fluxdeity said:

DDR4 already achieves 50GBps+ throughput. What do we need DDR5 for?

Nice post man, thx for that.  Yeah DDR5 will start at 4000Mhz but as you said if it already does 50Gbps then your right wtf is DDR5 going to bring.  Plus my hunch inside me says 2021 for DDR5.  :0  I think a solid 3200Mhz kit or possibly 4000Mhz OCed would be enough for years to come.  Also you all are right, whatever you buy something newer is around the corner.  I think I will wait for Ryzen specs.

[melete]

34 minutes ago, fluxdeity said:

DDR4 already achieves 50GBps+ throughput. What do we need DDR5 for? Server farms with 300TB+ of data? The average consumer is fine with DDR4.

We need DDR5 so manufacturers can raise prices again.

[Turtle Rig]

5 minutes ago, melete said:

We need DDR5 so manufacturers can raise prices again.

Ouch, we don't want that.  I bet a 16GB DDR5 kit in 2021 or 2022 will cost 300 dollars compared to a 16GB 3200Mhz kit for 100 dollars.

[Turtle Rig]

41 minutes ago, PacketMan said:

We don't know if there will be Zen 3 in 2020, maybe it could just be like Ryzen 2000 (a refresh), it sounds pretty hard to believe so I'd say just go for zen 2 if you can't wait for DDR5 RAM

Yes plus DDR5 starts at 4000Mhz , I mean am I really going to tell a difference with a 3200Mhz and a 4000Mhz.  I highly doubt that even on a AMD system.

 

Actually I hear DDR5 will be 5000Mhz to start with.  With a CL of 42 lol ,,, now whats up with that.

[Turtle Rig]

17 minutes ago, PacketMan said:

IMO we didn't see a real difference between the i7 4790K with DDR3 and i7 6700K with DDR4, let alone the supposed 4000MHz DDR4 of Zen 2 and the future DDR5, I'll let them surprise me haha

Ya I made a oopsie.  DDR5 is going to start at 5000Mhz like I edited in previous post.  But a CL 42   ..... ouch thats not good.

[xg32]

think about the jump from zen 1 to zen +, that's about what i'd expect beyond zen 2. I don't think we are getting 32cores on consumer desktops, waiting past zen 2 probably isn't a good choice (it'll likely be a year +, you can always do another build after it comes out, ddr5 won't be ready for at least another 2 years, (unless you want janky timings). For all the leaks I now expect 16core to be 4.3, 12 cores to be 4.6, and 8 core to be 4.8 (slightly faster than a 9900k so don't get this one)

 

TLDR, go for zen 2 16 cores, don't wait. I don't expect the slower clock speed on the 16 core to meaningfully impact gaming at 144hz.

[Turtle Rig]

1 minute ago, xg32 said:

think about the jump from zen 1 to zen +, that's about what i'd expect beyond zen 2. I don't think we are getting 32cores on consumer desktops, waiting past zen 2 probably isn't a good choice (it'll likely be a year +, you can always do another build after it comes out, ddr5 won't be ready for at least another 2 years, (unless you want janky timings)

 

TLDR, go for zen 2 16 cores, don't wait.

Roger dat xg32.  Thanks for your informative post.  Ya I knew its not 2020.... more like 2021 late.  So ya pointless to wait freakin 2 years to get a CL 42 ,,, and I bet it will cost a grip.  Like 300 dollars for 16GB kit.  Also your right the Zen refresh will probably be 2021 which is just a refresh so ya I think Im going to pull the trigger on the 16 core Zen 2 Ryzen.  But Im itching for a ThreadRipper but that would just cost way too much and I don't know how much all those threads will help or even get used.  I run a DAW and never has the CPU choked out, but it needs to be OCed for this.  So do I really need 32c when I don't even do video editing and what not.  Im really itching for a HEDT 64GB RAM Octa channel.

[xg32]

8 minutes ago, Turtle Rig said:

Roger dat xg32.  Thanks for your informative post.  Ya I knew its not 2020.... more like 2021 late.  So ya pointless to wait freakin 2 years to get a CL 42 ,,, and I bet it will cost a grip.  Like 300 dollars for 16GB kit.  Also your right the Zen refresh will probably be 2021 which is just a refresh so ya I think Im going to pull the trigger on the 16 core Zen 2 Ryzen.  But Im itching for a ThreadRipper but that would just cost way too much and I don't know how much all those threads will help or even get used.  I run a DAW and never has the CPU choked out, but it needs to be OCed for this.  So do I really need 32c when I don't even do video editing and what not.  Im really itching for a HEDT 64GB RAM Octa channel.

honestly i wouldn't go with TR if you game, at all. 16 core on zen 2 will for sure game like a beast (if a bit slower than the 8 core) without all the jank that was in TR2, if you have work to do then 16 cores are likely enough, i have ZERO interest in TR atm, and it's delayed anyway. a 16core 4.3 part at 7nm would likely match a 7980x without a HEDT mobo.

[Turtle Rig]

7 minutes ago, xg32 said:

honestly i wouldn't go with TR if you game, at all. 16 core on zen 2 will for sure game like a beast (if a bit slower than the 8 core) without all the jank that was in TR2, if you have work to do then 16 cores are likely enough, i have ZERO interest in TR atm, and it's delayed anyway. a 16core 4.3 part at 7nm would likely match a 7980x without a HEDT mobo.

Yes honestly I don't think I need more then 32 threads for my DAW     .... Plus as you said TR clock speeds will be lower then 38xx Ryzen 16 core.  Now we wait patiently to see what the Mhz will be on this chip.  5Ghz ?  Wishful thinking.

[lordoftime79]

jesus slow down fella - im still rockin DDR3 lol never mind jumping ahead to DDR5, do yourself a favour drop out of the "chase the dragon of bleeding edge" game... if you could afford to play the game you wouldnt be asking people to look into their crystal balls for you!!! honestly I now run a few years behind the mainstream and gobble up all the lovely cheap gear early adopters sell on cheap when they upgrade - its soooo much easier on my wallet this way and I am never stressed that my rig isnt up to date becasue it never will be

[Turtle Rig]

1 minute ago, lordoftime79 said:

jesus slow down fella - im still rockin DDR3 lol never mind jumping ahead to DDR5, do yourself a favour drop out of the "chase the dragon of bleeding edge" game... if you could afford to play the game you wouldnt be asking people to look into their crystal balls for you!!! honestly I now run a few years behind the mainstream and gobble up all the lovely cheap gear early adopters sell on cheap when they upgrade - its soooo much easier on my wallet this way and I am never stressed that my rig isnt up to date becasue it never will be

Yes your right my friend.  Screw it, Im just gonna wait for Zen 2.  You wait for Zen 3 , then Zen 4 comes then Zen 5 and so on.  DDR5 then DDR6 etc,, I want a build of mine to last minimum 7 years not including video card.  Which is where Im at now with my rig, so update time comes in July.  giddy!!!