Advice for a budget build for a friend

[Puffing]

I’m building a 300-400 usd pc for a buddy of mine and I’m using eBay and other places for used/refurbished stuff. This is a part list that I came up with. Any advic epr alternative build. Thanks

 

PCPartPicker Part List

Type	Item	Price
CPU	Intel - Core i3-6100 3.7 GHz Dual-Core Processor	$30.00
Motherboard	MSI - H110M PRO-D Micro ATX LGA1151 Motherboard	$60.98 @ SuperBiiz
Memory	Corsair - Vengeance LPX 16 GB (2 x 8 GB) DDR4-3000 Memory	$80.00
Storage	Kingston - A400 240 GB 2.5" Solid State Drive	$29.99 @ Amazon
Storage	Western Digital - Caviar Blue 1 TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive	$44.89 @ OutletPC
Video Card	Sapphire - Radeon RX 550 - 512 4 GB PULSE Video Card	$40.00
Case	Rosewill - FBM-05 MicroATX Mini Tower Case	$21.99 @ Amazon
Power Supply	Corsair - CXM 550 W 80+ Bronze Certified Semi-modular ATX Power Supply	$52.98 @ Newegg
	Prices include shipping, taxes, rebates, and discounts
	Total (before mail-in rebates)	$370.83
	Mail-in rebates	-$10.00
	Total	$360.83
	Generated by PCPartPicker 2019-05-10 12:54 EDT-0400

 

[Puffing]

This will be for general computing and gaming.

[Herman Mcpootis]

A new 2200G rig would have been better for less. You can get a ram kit with the same clock speed and capacity BNIB for even cheaper.

[dizmo]

I'd say you should get a better video card. Try to get at least an RX570, it should only be about $60 more but it'll get significantly better performance.

You should be able to find a better deal on the motherboard.

 

Have you looked at the Reddit Hardware Swap?

[MeatFeastMan]

RX 550 serves no purpose if you're building a new pc entirely because the vega 8 graphics inside the 2200g is on par if not slightly better than the rx 550. You may also be able to slot in a 2400g (Maybe although it'll be tight if possible) but I can't be bothered to mess around to find where the savings are.

 

PCPartPicker Part List

Type	Item	Price
CPU	AMD - Ryzen 3 2200G 3.5 GHz Quad-Core Processor	$79.99 @ Amazon
Motherboard	Gigabyte - B450 AORUS M Micro ATX AM4 Motherboard	$74.99 @ Newegg
Memory	G.Skill - Aegis 16 GB (2 x 8 GB) DDR4-3000 Memory	$79.99 @ Amazon
Storage	HP - EX900 500 GB M.2-2280 Solid State Drive	$64.89 @ OutletPC
Case	Cooler Master - MasterBox Q300L MicroATX Mini Tower Case	$43.98 @ Newegg
Power Supply	Corsair - CX (2017) 450 W 80+ Bronze Certified ATX Power Supply	$45.89 @ OutletPC
	Prices include shipping, taxes, rebates, and discounts
	Total (before mail-in rebates)	$404.73
	Mail-in rebates	-$15.00
	Total	$389.73
	Generated by PCPartPicker 2019-05-10 13:11 EDT-0400

 

[Oalei]

I mean I can put a system for 400usd with i5 9400f, H310, RX 470 and 16gb of ram, you need to like search everything if you want to get the best value. 

[Nocte]

A bit overbudget ($30), but I wouldn't buy anything worse than this (cut corners EVEYWHERE).

PCPartPicker Part List

Type	Item	Price
CPU	AMD - Ryzen 3 1200 3.1 GHz Quad-Core Processor	$69.89 @ OutletPC
Motherboard	MSI - B450M PRO-M2 Micro ATX AM4 Motherboard	$59.99 @ Newegg
Memory	Team - Vulcan 16 GB (2 x 8 GB) DDR4-2800 Memory	$69.99 @ Newegg
Storage	Patriot - Burst 480 GB 2.5" Solid State Drive	$47.99 @ Newegg
Video Card	PowerColor - Radeon RX 570 4 GB RED DRAGON Video Card	$119.99 @ Newegg
Case	Corsair - 100R ATX Mid Tower Case	$28.98 @ Newegg
Power Supply	Corsair - CXM (2015) 450 W 80+ Bronze Certified Semi-modular ATX Power Supply	$32.98 @ Newegg
	Prices include shipping, taxes, rebates, and discounts
	Total (before mail-in rebates)	$469.81
	Mail-in rebates	-$40.00
	Total	$429.81
	Generated by PCPartPicker 2019-05-10 13:47 EDT-0400

Also spending $5 more dollars for 3000MHz RAM instead of 2800 is to be considered.

[steelo]

If he's saying 'general computing' I wouldn't even think he needs a dedicated graphics card. I'd go with a Ryzen 3 2200G $89 or a Ryzen 5 2400G $140. Both have igpu's that should easily handle what he's looking for and allow 720p, even 1080p gaming on medium/low settings. Down the road, they could always buy a cheap RX 570 or 580. I would recommend the fastest dual channel RAM since it really seems to affect Ryzen CPU performance.

 

In my opinion, a RX 550 would be a waste of money because a Ryzen igpu would provide about the same level of performance for $40 or so less. They also overclock very nicely, if you're interested. I've seen benchmarks where an overclocked R3 outperformed a stock R5.

[Puffing]

27 minutes ago, steelo said:

If he's saying 'general computing' I wouldn't even think he needs a dedicated graphics card. I'd go with a Ryzen 3 2200G $89 or a Ryzen 5 2400G $140. Both have igpu's that should easily handle what he's looking for and allow 720p, even 1080p gaming on medium/low settings. Down the road, they could always buy a cheap RX 570 or 580. I would recommend the fastest dual channel RAM since it really seems to affect Ryzen CPU performance.

 

In my opinion, a RX 550 would be a waste of money because a Ryzen igpu would provide about the same level of performance for $40 or so less. They also overclock very nicely, if you're interested. I've seen benchmarks where an overclocked R3 outperformed a stock R5.

Yeah gaming will be on 1080p but medium to low settings. Games like overwatch Minecraft and indie steam games etc... and he wants to be able to use it for everyday computing as well such as YouTube, a little photo editing and such. The 2200g looks like a good cpu and if I were to use some of the budget getting “high end” ram with high speeds, I think that would be the go.

[Puffing]

Hows this:

 

PCPartPicker Part List

Type	Item	Price
CPU	AMD - Ryzen 3 2200G 3.5 GHz Quad-Core Processor	$79.99 @ Amazon
Motherboard	ASRock - B450M-HDV R4.0 Micro ATX AM4 Motherboard	$68.88 @ OutletPC
Memory	G.Skill - Ripjaws V Series 8 GB (2 x 4 GB) DDR4-3200 Memory	$56.98 @ Newegg
Storage	Kingston - A400 240 GB 2.5" Solid State Drive	$29.99 @ Amazon
Case	Rosewill - FBM-X1 MicroATX Mini Tower Case	$26.99 @ Amazon
Power Supply	Corsair - CXM 550 W 80+ Bronze Certified Semi-modular ATX Power Supply	$52.98 @ Newegg
	Prices include shipping, taxes, rebates, and discounts
	Total (before mail-in rebates)	$325.81
	Mail-in rebates	-$10.00
	Total	$315.81
	Generated by PCPartPicker 2019-05-10 14:35 EDT-0400

 

[Puffing]

@Nocte

[steelo]

15 minutes ago, Puffing said:

Hows this:

 

PCPartPicker Part List

Type	Item	Price
CPU	AMD - Ryzen 3 2200G 3.5 GHz Quad-Core Processor	$79.99 @ Amazon
Motherboard	ASRock - B450M-HDV R4.0 Micro ATX AM4 Motherboard	$68.88 @ OutletPC
Memory	G.Skill - Ripjaws V Series 8 GB (2 x 4 GB) DDR4-3200 Memory	$56.98 @ Newegg
Storage	Kingston - A400 240 GB 2.5" Solid State Drive	$29.99 @ Amazon
Case	Rosewill - FBM-X1 MicroATX Mini Tower Case	$26.99 @ Amazon
Power Supply	Corsair - CXM 550 W 80+ Bronze Certified Semi-modular ATX Power Supply	$52.98 @ Newegg
	Prices include shipping, taxes, rebates, and discounts
	Total (before mail-in rebates)	$325.81
	Mail-in rebates	-$10.00
	Total	$315.81
	Generated by PCPartPicker 2019-05-10 14:35 EDT-0400

 

Everything looks good, except I'd go with an ASROCK B450M Pro instead. I believe it's maybe $10 more and a much better motherboard.

 

[trevb0t]

PCPartPicker Part List

Type	Item	Price
CPU	AMD - Ryzen 3 1200 3.1 GHz Quad-Core Processor	$69.89 @ OutletPC
Motherboard	ASRock - AB350M Pro4 Micro ATX AM4 Motherboard	$73.85 @ OutletPC
Memory	Patriot - Viper 4 8 GB (2 x 4 GB) DDR4-3000 Memory	$45.98 @ Newegg
Storage	Crucial - BX500 240 GB 2.5" Solid State Drive	$28.89 @ OutletPC
Video Card	PowerColor - Radeon RX 570 4 GB RED DRAGON Video Card	$119.99 @ Newegg
Case	Rosewill - FBM-05 MicroATX Mini Tower Case	$21.99 @ Amazon
Power Supply	Corsair - VS 450 W 80+ Certified ATX Power Supply	$33.96 @ Newegg
	Prices include shipping, taxes, rebates, and discounts
	Total (before mail-in rebates)	$414.55
	Mail-in rebates	-$20.00
	Total	$394.55
	Generated by PCPartPicker 2019-05-10 14:59 EDT-0400

Dominant.

[Nocte]

21 hours ago, Puffing said:

1080p but medium to low settings

2200G for that is not good enough.

 

Consider at least a 2400G. I still stand by the fact that a RX 570 is your best bet.

@trevb0t's partlist is a good compromise, but replace that garbage PSU with a Corsair CX grey label.

[steelo]

On 5/11/2019 at 12:00 PM, Nocte said:

2200G for that is not good enough.

 

Consider at least a 2400G. I still stand by the fact that a RX 570 is your best bet.

@trevb0t's partlist is a good compromise, but replace that garbage PSU with a Corsair CX grey label.

The difference between a RX 570 and the igpu in a 2200g/2400g is like night and day but I think the igpu would be sufficient if he's on a tight budget.

[Nocte]

2 hours ago, steelo said:

The difference between a RX 570 and the igpu in a 2200g/2400g is like night and day but I think the igpu would be sufficient if he's on a tight budget.

2200G is not sufficient for 1080p med. settings on new games. 

[Puffing]

43 minutes ago, Nocte said:

2200G is not sufficient for 1080p med. settings on new games. 

So would I be looking at the used market, whould a cheap i3 6100 be good.

[steelo]

20 hours ago, Puffing said:

So would I be looking at the used market, whould a cheap i3 6100 be good.

i3 6100 is a dual core versus a quad core Ryzen and the AMD is about $40-50 cheaper. A 2200g would work for 1080p/low to medium in esports titles but it's meant to be a 720p cpu/igpu for most games. In my opinion, you have a few options -

 

1) Ryzen 2200g  (4 cores, 4 threads) and Vega 8 integrated graphics - will struggle to play many AAA 1080p titles but they do overclock nicely and you can always add on a RX 570 later on.

 

2) Ryzen 1600/2600  (6 cores, 12 threads)  and RX 570 - will be able to play most modern AAA titles at medium to high settings.

 

3) Ryzen 5 2400g  (4 cores, 8 threads) Vega 11 integrated graphics - Will do a bit better than a 2200g for AAA titles, but don't expect fantastic frame rates at 1080p medium settings for many games. Many will have to run at 720p or 1080 low. However, you can add a RX 570 or whatever down the road.

 

It all depends on how much money you want to spend today on it and how much you want to compromise performance for cost. If you go with the 2400g option, it's a decent cpu/igpu but you'll be limited with some of the 1080 AAA titles. I've read it's roughly equivalent to a gt 1030 or a rx 550 which are relatively low end graphics cards. You could always add on a RX 570 later down the road though. The 1600 or 2600 I feel is the best value for the money, they are 6 core 12 thread CPU's that would work great with a RX 570/580 and are a steal compared to Intel CPU's. they CPU would also give you a bit of headroom to upgrade your graphics card to something equivalent to maybe a GTX 1060ti or a 1070 down the line. 

 

 

 

 

 

[steelo]

3 hours ago, Nocte said:

2200G is not sufficient for 1080p med. settings on new games. 

It really depends on what titles he wants to play and his tolerance for sub 60 fps frame rates for the more demanding titles. You do realize that a lot of XBOX one and PS titles don't even hit 60 fps, right?

 

I've played world of warships, Overwatch and CSGO at 1080 low to medium settings (depending on the game) with no issue on a 2200g. I believe the frame rates averaged around 50-60 fps, closer to 60 fps after I overclocked the gpu. I'd say most esport titles will run decently on 1080p with that CPU. Games like The Witcher or Tomb Raider wouldn't run well at all on 1080p medium. It's still a respectable quad core processor and he would always have the option of adding a video card later on.

 

Of course, I would recommend a 2400g or better yet a 1600/2600 with a RX 570 IF he has the money.

[Bearmann]

Puffing, when you are ready to order let me know and I'll look for a bargain build. Do you live near a Micro Center?

[trevb0t]

16 hours ago, steelo said:

The difference between a RX 570 and the igpu in a 2200g/2400g is like night and day but I think the igpu would be sufficient if he's on a tight budget.

Sure, but compare the 1600 and 570 build I listed to the 2400G build. 

Nearly identical in price.

[steelo]

7 hours ago, trevb0t said:

Sure, but compare the 1600 and 570 build I listed to the 2400G build. 

Nearly identical in price.

You could be right, if he can find a used or very cheap 570 it should be pretty close. Your 1600/570 build would be plenty to run just about any 1080p games in medium to high settings.

[Djinnux]

21 hours ago, Puffing said:

So would I be looking at the used market, whould a cheap i3 6100 be good.

CPU wise the 2200G is probably better than a 6100 I think they mean the IGPU isn't sufficient the CPU part should be fine.  

 

I am actually building this system as we speak;

2200G

Aurous B450M

16Gigs of 3000 RAM

ADATA 240 Gig SATA SSD

MSI RX 570 8 gig (Already own)

Thermaltake no window Case..

and a 550 Watt White Thermaltake PSU

 

I am guessing there won't be a lot I cant throw at it especially if I win the silicon lottery and get a decent overclock on the Ryzen.  I am putting a 212 Cooler on it since I WILL be overclocking and I know ill do better with a tower cooler than the included wraith stealth

 

[trevb0t]

1 hour ago, Djinnux said:

CPU wise the 2200G is probably better than a 6100 I think they mean the IGPU isn't sufficient the CPU part should be fine.  

 

I am actually building this system as we speak;

2200G

Aurous B450M

16Gigs of 3000 RAM

ADATA 240 Gig SATA SSD

MSI RX 570 8 gig (Already own)

Thermaltake no window Case..

and a 550 Watt White Thermaltake PSU

 

I am guessing there won't be a lot I cant throw at it especially if I win the silicon lottery and get a decent overclock on the Ryzen.  I am putting a 212 Cooler on it since I WILL be overclocking and I know ill do better with a tower cooler than the included wraith stealth

 

The 2200G is certainly a competitor to any i3 model. The lower cost is where it becomes a value king.

When you consider that the 2400G is multithreaded for a few extra bucks currently. It's a better buy, though.

[Puffing]

2 hours ago, trevb0t said:

The 2200G is certainly a competitor to any i3 model. The lower cost is where it becomes a value king.

When you consider that the 2400G is multithreaded for a few extra bucks currently. It's a better buy, though.

What the if the i3 6100 is 50 bucks?

also I think I’ll tell him that it’s worth saving another 100 bucks