Does using 2666 or 3000 mhrz ram make a difference?

[JayzSub]

I'm moving from a ddr3 system to a ddr4 so I'm wondering does it make a big difference. 

[Jurrunio]

depends. On Intel things improve a bit, On Ryzen things improve a bit more than a bit

[GoldenLag]

Depends on the workload and title.

 

In the Division 2 it makes a large difference

[Mister Woof]

Id get the one that matches your rgb better imo

 

More noticeable gains

[Tristerin]

5 minutes ago, JayzSub said:

I'm moving from a ddr3 system to a ddr4 so I'm wondering does it make a big difference. 

Yes.

 

I can personally speak to the difference between 2133mhz and 3200mhz as I own both kits and have ran multiple tests recently.  The difference can be minimal, or night and day for Gaming.

 

 

[Tristerin]

Example - Battlefield 5, Ultra/everything maxed out on my Ryzen Rig (1) in my sig:

 

2133mhz:

Not playable at Ultra/maxed out - CPU couldn't build suitable frame time for my Fury.  1 second stutters, etc.

 

3200mhz:

60 FPS average, with the lowest frame @ 32 during the drop in portion of the game.

 

[Mister Woof]

2 minutes ago, GoldenLag said:

Depends on the workload and title.

 

In the Division 2 it makes a large difference

I watched this video, interested results.

 

The more CPU bound you get, the more ram speed matters in this game. That's pretty consistent, but it's it's definitely noticeable in this title.

 

 

[Tristerin]

Titles that are less affected - are the poorly optimized ones, from my testing.

 

Synthetic benches get some results, Cinebench gets zero boost.

[Mister Woof]

3 minutes ago, Tristerin said:

Example - Battlefield 5, Ultra/everything maxed out on my Ryzen Rig (1) in my sig:

 

2133mhz:

Not playable at Ultra/maxed out - CPU couldn't build suitable frame time for my Fury.  1 second stutters, etc.

 

3200mhz:

60 FPS average, with the lowest frame @ 32 during the drop in portion of the game.

 

I saw a HU vid where they showed 2133/2400 being noticably slower than 3200, and anything above 3200 was not worth the cost for the gains. I think it was Ryzen.

[GoldenLag]

3 minutes ago, Plutosaurus said:

I watched this video, interested results.

 

The more CPU bound you get, the more ram speed matters in this game. That's pretty consistent, but it's it's definitely noticeable in this title.

 

 

Its mostly on a title to title basis. Some are affected. Other arent.

[Tristerin]

It is Title by Title.  What Ive noticed (real world use case for gamers) is that poorly optimized titles (example Ring of Elysium) saw zero difference.  Titles like GTA5 was 9.5% increase in FPS, BF5 was immeasurable in the difference (had to drop all settings to High presets and it ran at 62 FPS average with 2133mhz).

 

I have the kits to downclock on my own and test if anyone has examples and I own the game, Id happily do it just usually takes me a week to get to stuff cause I spread myself like to little butter over to much bread - but Ill do it if I own it!

 

Up until recently I was like - its a meh difference.  After the last weekend of testing - no reason to ever go below 3000mhz imho.  Not with prices the way they are now.  I only own the 2133mhz kit from a couple years ago when RAM prices were atrocious.

[Mister Woof]

2 minutes ago, Tristerin said:

It is Title by Title.  What Ive noticed (real world use case for gamers) is that poorly optimized titles (example Ring of Elysium) saw zero difference.  Titles like GTA5 was 9.5% increase in FPS, BF5 was immeasurable in the difference (had to drop all settings to High presets and it ran at 62 FPS average with 2133mhz).

 

I have the kits to downclock on my own and test if anyone has examples and I own the game, Id happily do it just usually takes me a week to get to stuff cause I spread myself like to little butter over to much bread - but Ill do it if I own it!

 

Up until recently I was like - its a meh difference.  After the last weekend of testing - no reason to ever go below 3000mhz imho.  Not with prices the way they are now.  I only own the 2133mhz kit from a couple years ago when RAM prices were atrocious.

IB people come in and call you elitest lol

[Tristerin]

9 minutes ago, Plutosaurus said:

IB people come in and call you elitest lol

Iknorite.

 

Actually have a 100+ comment wall post going that folks are watching/making requests on - as long as I own the title, can "find" the title for free lol, or whatnot Ill test it out and report back results.  Let me know if you want tagged in the thread   We are finishing up testing stock 2133mhz vs stock 3200mhz once that's complete (probably in a couple weeks) I am going to work with one of the forum members on tightening my timings on the 3200mhz and then redo the tests comparing 3200mhz stock timings (I have the good stuff...did one of those reports and apparently I have the bees knees memory for OCing and tightening - go V-Color Skywalker brand lol) vs 3200mhz tightened up.

 

 

[Mister Woof]

Just now, Tristerin said:

Iknorite.

 

Actually have a 100+ comment wall post going that folks are watching/making requests on - as long as I own the title, can "find" the title for free lol, or whatnot Ill test it out and report back results.  Let me know if you want tagged in the thread   We are finishing up testing stock 2133mhz vs stock 3200mhz once that's complete (probably in a couple weeks) I am going to work with one of the forum members on tightening my timings on the 3200mhz and then redo the tests comparing 3200mhz stock timings (I have the good stuff...did one of those reports and apparently I have the bees knees memory for OCing and tightening - go V-Color Skywalker brand lol) vs 3200mhz tightened up.

 

 

Now that's good fellowship.

 

Right on.

[Turtle Rig]

4 hours ago, Tristerin said:

Yes.

 

I can personally speak to the difference between 2133mhz and 3200mhz as I own both kits and have ran multiple tests recently.  The difference can be minimal, or night and day for Gaming.

 

 

Im in a nice hole then at 1911Mhz lol. I used to think RAM speed 2133 or 3200Mhz didn't really do much since the CPU can only handle certain amount of information.  However I read on AMD rigs the difference in speed matters.  Im still a skeptic on Intel system tho.  What happens when DDR5 comes out at 4000Mhz and 5000Mhz does that give us more frames per second ?  I would say no, but who am I to say this, well just have to found out in the future and what not.

[Turtle Rig]

4 hours ago, JayzSub said:

I'm moving from a ddr3 system to a ddr4 so I'm wondering does it make a big difference. 

Honestly I have researched this very same question for years.  From what I read from Intel side is the CPU can only handle certain ammount of information at certain speed so a 2133 and a 3200Mhz is irrelevant.  However I see people on LTT talking about how it makes a nice difference on AMD systems, so I can't argue that point and accept it.

[Zando_]

5 minutes ago, Turtle Rig said:

Honestly I have researched this very same question for years.  From what I read from Intel side is the CPU can only handle certain ammount of information at certain speed so a 2133 and a 3200Mhz is irrelevant.  However I see people on LTT talking about how it makes a nice difference on AMD systems, so I can't argue that point and accept it.

It can make a large difference even on Intel, depending on what you're doing. Some games do much better with faster RAM, IIRC render times and such are also memory bandwidth heavy and benefit from faster RAM. That's why people usually go for 3000-3200Mhz RAM for either platform, it's usually the best price/performance for all round use. 

[Tristerin]

33 minutes ago, Turtle Rig said:

Im in a nice hole then at 1911Mhz lol. I used to think RAM speed 2133 or 3200Mhz didn't really do much since the CPU can only handle certain amount of information.  However I read on AMD rigs the difference in speed matters.  Im still a skeptic on Intel system tho.  What happens when DDR5 comes out at 4000Mhz and 5000Mhz does that give us more frames per second ?  I would say no, but who am I to say this, well just have to found out in the future and what not.

I also have 1600mhz and 2133mhz DDR3

 

Did absolutely zilch for FX chips.  Point 1 FPS (margin of error) difference in benchmarks.

[Benjeh]

While i know the question was aimed raw speed, no one has mentioned how much a difference latency also makes.

9 minutes ago, Tristerin said:

I also have 1600mhz and 2133mhz DDR3

 

Did absolutely zilch for FX chips.  Point 1 FPS (margin of error) difference in benchmarks.

netted me quit a significant amount of frames. not sure what ram you had though or what set up you ran but i can attest to anythinng over 1866 making a difference to me, After that I never cut corners when it came to ram again.

[Turtle Rig]

9 minutes ago, Tristerin said:

I also have 1600mhz and 2133mhz DDR3

 

Did absolutely zilch for FX chips.  Point 1 FPS (margin of error) difference in benchmarks.

LOL yes, like I said the CPU can only recieve certain ammount of data and process it.  I mean for games the FPS difference is on average 3fps higher with 2666Mhz and 3200Mhz.  So 2133 will be 5fps difference which you wont even notice.  Having said this what exactly will DDR5 do, we have no clue right now.

[Tristerin]

37 minutes ago, Benjeh said:

While i know the question was aimed raw speed, no one has mentioned how much a difference latency also makes.

netted me quit a significant amount of frames. not sure what ram you had though or what set up you ran but i can attest to anythinng over 1866 making a difference to me, After that I never cut corners when it came to ram again.

DDR3 - Intel didn't react to speeds, FX supposedly did.  Still have the kits, have tested them on my i5 3470 as well - no gains at all.  My FX was a better gaming chip though - regardless of what internet will tell you (still have all these PCs, only the FX isn't booted up atm)  DDR3, for me, in all synthetic benchmarks on those chips - were easily within negligible margin of error.

 

Kits - Corsair Vengeance 4x4 1600mhz

G-skill Ripjaws 4x2 2133mhz

36 minutes ago, Turtle Rig said:

LOL yes, like I said the CPU can only recieve certain ammount of data and process it.  I mean for games the FPS difference is on average 3fps higher with 2666Mhz and 3200Mhz.  So 2133 will be 5fps difference which you wont even notice.  Having said this what exactly will DDR5 do, we have no clue right now.

I don't think its that easily correlated from my testing (we've tested a ton, if you want I can tag you on the post and you can read the whole wall message) - it really is title by title dependent, and imho the % increase Im seeing could be higher - as my R9 Fury is still running at 100% and the CPU is maybe running at 20% in most of these titles.  So a future GPU upgrade (probably this week) will be able to fully realize the potential gains as the headroom wasn't really "available" in a lot of my testing due to my setups.

 

This weekend Im going to be downclocking and seeing the difference between 2667 and 2933mhz in gaming runs

[Benjeh]

2 hours ago, Tristerin said:

DDR3 - Intel didn't react to speeds, FX supposedly did.  Still have the kits, have tested them on my i5 3470 as well - no gains at all.  My FX was a better gaming chip though - regardless of what internet will tell you (still have all these PCs, only the FX isn't booted up atm)  DDR3, for me, in all synthetic benchmarks on those chips - were easily within negligible margin of error.

 

Kits - Corsair Vengeance 4x4 1600mhz

G-skill Ripjaws 4x2 2133mhz

I don't think its that easily correlated from my testing (we've tested a ton, if you want I can tag you on the post and you can read the whole wall message) - it really is title by title dependent, and imho the % increase Im seeing could be higher - as my R9 Fury is still running at 100% and the CPU is maybe running at 20% in most of these titles.  So a future GPU upgrade (probably this week) will be able to fully realize the potential gains as the headroom wasn't really "available" in a lot of my testing due to my setups.

 

This weekend Im going to be downclocking and seeing the difference between 2667 and 2933mhz in gaming runs

my fx won't boot either and im really not sure why, well thats a lie it boots but won't load windows, it posts etc. Miss that rig, was fun to tame the thermal beast lol. but yes i did notice a good improvement with my ram sticks set up correctly. Think i had 2400 CL9 or something.

[JayzSub]

8 hours ago, Tristerin said:

Iknorite.

 

Actually have a 100+ comment wall post going that folks are watching/making requests on - as long as I own the title, can "find" the title for free lol, or whatnot Ill test it out and report back results.  Let me know if you want tagged in the thread   We are finishing up testing stock 2133mhz vs stock 3200mhz once that's complete (probably in a couple weeks) I am going to work with one of the forum members on tightening my timings on the 3200mhz and then redo the tests comparing 3200mhz stock timings (I have the good stuff...did one of those reports and apparently I have the bees knees memory for OCing and tightening - go V-Color Skywalker brand lol) vs 3200mhz tightened up.

 

 

 

4 hours ago, Zando Bob said:

It can make a large difference even on Intel, depending on what you're doing. Some games do much better with faster RAM, IIRC render times and such are also memory bandwidth heavy and benefit from faster RAM. That's why people usually go for 3000-3200Mhz RAM for either platform, it's usually the best price/performance for all round use. 

Okay, so 30-3200itis then, but does the Cas latency have any effect as well? 

CL 14 vs 15 vs 16? There's a crucial tactical 3000mhrtz cl14 kit but it's $30 more compared to the cl16

[Turtle Rig]

2 minutes ago, JayzSub said:

 

Okay, so 30-3200itis then, but does the Cas latency have any effect as well? 

CL 14 vs 15 vs 16? There's a crucial tactical 3000mhrtz cl14 kit but it's $30 more compared to the cl16

I would rather have lower latency and downclocking the Mhz.  3200Mhz kits are usually 16 CL ,,,,,, I would rather downclock it to 2666 to 2800Mhz with CL 14.

[Tristerin]

1 minute ago, JayzSub said:

 

Okay, so 30-3200itis then, but does the Cas latency have any effect as well? 

CL 14 vs 15 vs 16? There's a crucial tactical 3000mhrtz cl14 kit but it's $30 more compared to the cl16

I cant speak to the differences it would afford other than that I believe (Im no expert on this particular topic) the CL14 compared to 15 etc communicates faster.  Therefore if I am looking at Infinity Fabric for what it is, I would assume CL14 is much better than the others, but in measurements Im not sure.  Id say the frequency is much more important (and your getting that) so if your wallet can allow, then Id get the CL14 to get the best out of my CPU (again, if you can afford, if its out of budget Im positive the others will result in great gains as well)