What do you think about what's going on in Kiev?

[MangoJuiceStain]

What do you think?

[AlwaysFSX]

I can't answer the poll in good conscious because I don't fully know what's going on there yet other than there's riots about the government? Which... for the most part I can understand why they would riot against the Ukrainian government considering their history the past 50 years.

[zxcvbnmmssdh]

wat

[UnderADyingSun]

Great, another liability to that circle. 

[nokturrduk84]

Russia is typical invader. Every neighbor of it knows this. It's just one big tyrannic empire without any democratic values.

[MangoJuiceStain]

I can't answer the poll in good conscious because I don't fully know what's going on there yet other than there's riots about the government? Which... for the most part I can understand why they would riot against the Ukrainian government considering their history the past 50 years.

because they've wanted to join the EU for the past 20+ years and Russia isn't letting them and due to that, Ukrainians can't even enter other European countries without a visa. They want freedom basically.

[Hazy125]

Kiev is delicious

[MatheusSanzo]

What's going on Kiev?

[AlwaysFSX]

because they've wanted to join the EU for the past 20+ years and Russia isn't letting them and due to that, Ukrainians can't even enter other European countries without a visa. They want freedom basically.

Ah, same thing has happened before too. The f*ck is with Russia?

[MangoJuiceStain]

Kiev is delicious

Not very delicious now... Full of moltovs and burning busses.

[Guest]

EU and NA and A and second A and Third A and SA are evil only Polar regions are good 

[SMURG]

As someone in the EU, I cannot fathom why anybody would think joining the Union would be a good idea - especially in the long-run. If you actually held referendums and put the question of "should we leave the EU?" to the population of the member states, a lot of them would just leave. Britain and Finland are particularly disillusioned with the whole thing, but Germany aren't too pleased about bailing everyone out all the time, and Italy and Greece seem to want out too (ofc, as soon as it became a possibility the EU removed their governments and replaced them with EU bureaucrats). Spoke to some Ukranians on Reddit about it (http://www.reddit.com/r/explainlikeimfive/comments/1vug1k/eli5_why_are_people_protesting_in_ukraine/), some say the protests aren't about EU membership at all, others say it's about getting away from corruption and towards democracy which is where the EU comes into it - despite the fact that the EU is incredibly corrupt (can't even get its budget signed off by auditors because hundreds of millions of Euros go missing from the budget every year) and that the European commission is completely unelected.

I voted for the status quo since I'm strongly opposed to anyone else joining the EU, but that doesn't mean I think the Ukraine should necessarily jump into bed with Russia. I think they need to find another solution.

[ofr057]

I've been seeing photo's and it looks insane over there.

 

I understand what @SMURG says that there isnt much to entice members to be in the EU .. especially the issues in recent years through the economic crisis.

there are benefits in being in one now though since it would promote trade which will help in the rebuild

 

this photo is from the guardian

 

http://www.theguardian.com/world/gallery/2014/jan/25/riots-ukraine-protests-eu-police-in-pictures

 

 

[Shobe]

Poll questions are too black and white. I don't live in Kiev, i haven't experienced that and i don't know 100% what is going on. But i'm sure that it's not as simple as you try to make us believe in this poll. And Ukraine is not under Russian rule, i don't know where did you get that.

[Shobe]

EU and NA and A and second A and Third A and SA are evil only Polar regions are good 

What do you mean "Polar regions?"

[SMURG]

I've been seeing photo's and it looks insane over there.

 

I understand what @SMURG says that there isnt much to entice members to be in the EU .. especially the issues in recent years through the economic crisis.

there are benefits in being in one now though since it would promote trade which will help in the rebuild

 

this photo is from the guardian

 

http://www.theguardian.com/world/gallery/2014/jan/25/riots-ukraine-protests-eu-police-in-pictures

You're aware that the pro-EU factions aren't even arguing for EU membership right? At least, none of the Ukranians I've spoken to on Reddit say they are. According to them, they're after a trade deal with the EU, not membership. A trade deal I can accept, but membership? That would be catastrophic for everyone. Unfortunately understanding about how the EU is so lacking that I can't get a decent explanation of the circumstances; it's possible that they need to join the EEC to get a trade deal with the EU and that's what all the bother is about. If that is the case, I would advise extreme caution since the EEC is notoriously restrictive once you've joined.

Having closer ties to the EU is one thing, and if that's what they want to do that's fine by me (even if it clearly isn't for Russia or the pro-Russian factions) but that doesn't appear to be the argument here. Like @Shobe said, the poll is too clear-cut and misleading in that it doesn't present the actual scope of what's taking place which is why I felt the need to justify my vote for the status quo.

[Tocsin_786]

What do you mean "Polar regions?"

ice land, denmark, finland, norway. the northern european countires. he has a point. those countries are the least corrupt.