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4 minutes ago, Chambersofsecret said:

Fortnite & task manager

That doesn't necessarily mean that the CPU is the bottleneck. I just realized that you are using an OEM machine. Is it a small form factor? If it is than the best GPU you can get is a 1050ti. 

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My computer is not able to play any even slightly newer games, and the bottleneck seems to be the CPU. 

Hardware:

CPU:

Intel Core i3 2120

MoBo:

Dell OM5DCD a00

RAM:

8GB ddr3 1333mhz

GPU:

Nvidia GTx 1030ti

HDD:

Seagate 250gb

PSU

Evga 450w 80+

Monitor:

Dell 24in 1080ppi

 

I wanted to plat games like Overwatch, Gary's Mod, and Portal, with at least 30+ fps, but 60 preferably. 

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Here is some useful information, a complete list of supported processors and some info on BIOS

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390 does have a bios update with new microcode.

You cant go directly to the latest from A00 however

 

Fixes & Enhancements

Fixes
- Resolved add-on card issues.
- Addressed HDD password issue.

Enhancements
- Updated CPU Microcode.

Fixes & Enhancements

Fixes:
- Update to the latest CPU microcode to address CVE-2017-5715.  AUG 29, 2018
 
 

https://downloads.dell.com/FOLDER01799737M/1/O390-A11.exe

A14,A14 07 Aug 2018     7:40:42 AM
A10,A10 20 Mar 2013      7:27:07 AM
A09,A09 11 Sep 2012      6:41:59 AM
A07,A07 31 May 2012      8:56:26 AM
A05,A05 14 Feb 2012       8:44:13 AM
A03,A03 14 Dec 2011       8:46:35 AM
 
 

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38 minutes ago, Chambersofsecret said:

Nvidia GTx 1030ti

Once the CPU is upgraded, this is your next bottleneck for 60fps 1080p gaming.  You'll likely need to bump-down to 720p to play games on that card if you want good FPS.

Also, there is no such thing as the 1030 ti , do you mean basic 1030, or do you mean 1050 ti?

FYI, if you have the DDR4 version (there are 2 mem config variants of the GT 1030) you may have a card that Gamers Nexus dubs: "A Disgrace of a Graphics Card": https://www.gamersnexus.net/hwreviews/3330-gt-1030-ddr4-vs-gt-1030-gddr5-benchmark-worst-graphics-card-2018

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50 minutes ago, Chambersofsecret said:

Nvidia GTx 1030ti

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I WILL find your ITX build thread, and I WILL recommend the SIlverstone Sugo SG13B

 

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Draws 400 watts under max load, for reference.

 

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58 minutes ago, LogicWeasel said:

Once the CPU is upgraded, this is your next bottleneck for 60fps 1080p gaming.  You'll likely need to bump-down to 720p to play games on that card if you want good FPS.

Also, there is no such thing as the 1030 ti , do you mean basic 1030, or do you mean 1050 ti?

FYI, if you have the DDR4 version (there are 2 mem config variants of the GT 1030) you may have a card that Gamers Nexus dubs: "A Disgrace of a Graphics Card": https://www.gamersnexus.net/hwreviews/3330-gt-1030-ddr4-vs-gt-1030-gddr5-benchmark-worst-graphics-card-2018

I guess basic then

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Upgrading your graphics card will do you more good than upgrading your CPU. An I3 is NOT bottlenecking a gt 1030. Sell the 1030 for $50 and pick up a rx 570 from Ebay for $75 to $80.

 

https://rover.ebay.com/rover/0/0/0?mpre=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.ebay.com%2Fulk%2Fitm%2F333153382515

 

If you want to upgrade the CPU. You can put in an I5 2500 or I7 2600. You can also get a xeon e3-1240 4 core 8 thread like an I7 but no integrated graphics.

 

https://www.ebay.com/itm/CPU-Processor-Intel-Xeon-Quad-Core-E3-1240-SR00K-3-3GHz-8MB-5GT-s-AM/352640052758?_mwBanner=1&ul_ref=https%3A%2F%2Frover.ebay.com%2Frover%2F0%2F0%2F0%3Fmpre%3Dhttps%3A%2F%2Fwww.ebay.com%2Fulk%2Fitm%2F352640052758%26rvr_id%3D0%26rvr_ts%3D0f0a416f16a0a9cd1b50f8d1ffef4537&ul_noapp=true&pageci=c68b1618-7901-4b3a-92a0-6f002ac89fe8

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12 minutes ago, Sat1600 said:

Upgrading your graphics card will do you more good than upgrading your CPU. An I3 is NOT bottlenecking a gt 1030. Sell the 1030 for $50 and pick up a rx 570 from Ebay for $75 to $80.

 

https://rover.ebay.com/rover/0/0/0?mpre=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.ebay.com%2Fulk%2Fitm%2F333153382515

 

If you want to upgrade the CPU. You can put in an I5 2500 or I7 2600. You can also get a xeon e3-1240 4 core 8 thread like an I7 but no integrated graphics.

 

https://www.ebay.com/itm/CPU-Processor-Intel-Xeon-Quad-Core-E3-1240-SR00K-3-3GHz-8MB-5GT-s-AM/352640052758?_mwBanner=1&ul_ref=https%3A%2F%2Frover.ebay.com%2Frover%2F0%2F0%2F0%3Fmpre%3Dhttps%3A%2F%2Fwww.ebay.com%2Fulk%2Fitm%2F352640052758%26rvr_id%3D0%26rvr_ts%3D0f0a416f16a0a9cd1b50f8d1ffef4537&ul_noapp=true&pageci=c68b1618-7901-4b3a-92a0-6f002ac89fe8

by bottlenecking, i meant the entire system (sorry I don't understand that terminology) It was the part that was going at 100% and getting a frame every 5 or so secconds

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6 minutes ago, Chambersofsecret said:

by bottlenecking, i meant the entire system (sorry I don't understand that terminology) It was the part that was going at 100% and getting a frame every 5 or so secconds

Your CPU was at 100% and your GPU was not? In what game? What program are you using to monitor usage?

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12 minutes ago, Sat1600 said:

Your CPU was at 100% and your GPU was not? In what game? What program are you using to monitor usage?

Fortnite & task manager

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4 minutes ago, Chambersofsecret said:

Fortnite & task manager

That doesn't necessarily mean that the CPU is the bottleneck. I just realized that you are using an OEM machine. Is it a small form factor? If it is than the best GPU you can get is a 1050ti. 

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12 hours ago, Sat1600 said:

That doesn't necessarily mean that the CPU is the bottleneck. I just realized that you are using an OEM machine. Is it a small form factor? If it is than the best GPU you can get is a 1050ti. 

No, it's still had a micro atx mobo, but it is large enough for a bigger gpu

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I think these super-budget revivals of older PC's are super cool, but frankly if you're looking at investing money into a 2nd gen Intel for a little 1030, it might be a better investment to just part ways with that box, and build!

 

Here is some reference where an $90 APU is outplaying your GPU. 

 

That said, I'd part ways with your system. You could probably get like $50 if you asked for it on a local sale (take your GPU out of course.) Could probably ask another $50 for the GPU. There's $100 upgrade money toward something like this: 

 

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant
Type Item Price
CPU AMD - Ryzen 3 2200G 3.5 GHz Quad-Core Processor $94.89 @ OutletPC
Motherboard ASRock - B450M PRO4 Micro ATX AM4 Motherboard $76.21 @ OutletPC
Memory Patriot - Viper Elite 8 GB (2 x 4 GB) DDR4-2666 Memory $44.99 @ Amazon
Storage Crucial - BX500 240 GB 2.5" Solid State Drive $29.99 @ Adorama
Case DIYPC - DIY-F2-O MicroATX Mini Tower Case $34.76 @ Newegg
Power Supply Corsair - CXM (2015) 450 W 80+ Bronze Certified Semi-Modular ATX Power Supply $37.98 @ Newegg
  Prices include shipping, taxes, rebates, and discounts  
  Total (before mail-in rebates) $353.82
  Mail-in rebates -$35.00
  Total $318.82
  Generated by PCPartPicker 2019-04-12 20:27 EDT-0400  

 

This will run TF2, Portal, and Overwatch, Fortnite for you. And in the future you could add a used RX 570 or 580 for pretty nice 1080p performance on current titles! Even a used HD 7870 or R9 270X for around $35 would be a good investment for your 1080p monitor. You'd be over 60FPS easily.

 

Small edit made to parts list: MOBO upgraded

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4 hours ago, Chambersofsecret said:

No, it's still had a micro atx mobo, but it is large enough for a bigger gpu

You will need to replace your power supply to one with a 8 pin power connector if you  upgrade to a rx 470

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you dont NEED to throw the whole PC away. if 60fps 1080p is your target in those games.

 

You'll want a GPU upgrade, any that's NOT money wasted as you'd spend that regardless so look at the best budget GPU that meets your requirements

 

as for the rest of the system, if the info above is correct and your board will accept a 3rd gen i7 then you have some potential budget upgrade options there...

 

i7-3770 processor £80

https://uk.webuy.com/product-detail/?id=scpuinti73770&categoryName=processors-intel&superCatName=computing&title=intel-core-i7-3770-(3.4ghz)-lga1155

 

Another 8GB RAM £20

https://uk.webuy.com/product-detail?id=smem8qaa&categoryName=memory-desktop-ddr3&superCatName=computing&title=8-gb-pc10600-ddr3-1333mhz-240-pin-memory

 

[Those Prices are from a UK retailer, you'll find much better deals on ebay, craigslist etc. thats just a worse case/easy pricing]

 

if it was me i'd go for a new GPU, and then try it, IF its still not good enough and youre struggling with the rest of the system THEN consider upgrading the processor and memory.

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I've not tried a 3rd gen CPU nor have I seen a bios update to do do for my optiplex 390. I upgraded to i7-2600, gtx 960, 16gb 1600, and SSD. This machine plays Sims 4 with 30 mods and gtav at 1080p 60hz great.

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Ryzen 5 5600, GIGABYTE B550M DS3H, 16Gb Corsair Vengeance LPX 3000mhz, Asrock RX 6800 XT Phantom Gaming,

Seasonic Focus GM 750, Samsung EVO 860 EVO SSD M.2, Intel 660p Series M.2 2280 1TB PCIe NVMe, Linux Mint 20.2 Cinnamon

 

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MSI B450 A Pro, Ryzen 5 3600x, 16GB Corsair Vengeance LPX 3000mhz, Silicon Power A55 512GB SSD, Gigabyte RX 5700 Gaming OC, Corsair CX430

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8 hours ago, trevb0t said:

I think these super-budget revivals of older PC's are super cool, but frankly if you're looking at investing money into a 2nd gen Intel for a little 1030, it might be a better investment to just part ways with that box, and build!

 

Here is some reference where an $90 APU is outplaying your GPU. 

 

That said, I'd part ways with your system. You could probably get like $50 if you asked for it on a local sale (take your GPU out of course.) Could probably ask another $50 for the GPU. There's $100 upgrade money toward something like this: 

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant
Type Item Price
CPU AMD - Ryzen 3 2200G 3.5 GHz Quad-Core Processor $94.89 @ OutletPC
Motherboard ASRock - B450M-HDV R4.0 Micro ATX AM4 Motherboard $64.99 @ Amazon
Memory Patriot - Viper Elite 8 GB (2 x 4 GB) DDR4-2666 Memory $44.99 @ Amazon
Storage Crucial - BX500 240 GB 2.5" Solid State Drive $29.99 @ Adorama
Case DIYPC - DIY-F2-O MicroATX Mini Tower Case $34.76 @ Newegg
Power Supply Corsair - CXM (2015) 450 W 80+ Bronze Certified Semi-Modular ATX Power Supply $37.98 @ Newegg
  Prices include shipping, taxes, rebates, and discounts  
  Total (before mail-in rebates) $322.60
  Mail-in rebates -$15.00
  Total $307.60
  Generated by PCPartPicker 2019-04-12 10:47 EDT-0400  

 

This will run TF2, Portal, and Overwatch, Fortnite for you. And in the future you could add a used RX 570 or 580 for pretty nice 1080p performance on current titles! Even a used HD 7870 or R9 270X for around $35 would be a good investment for your 1080p monitor. You'd be over 60FPS easily.

So if I did that, are you assuming the HDDs blank? Because I've got Win 10 pro, would that go for more. (also should I include the wifi card?)

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45 minutes ago, Chambersofsecret said:

So if I did that, are you assuming the HDDs blank? Because I've got Win 10 pro, would that go for more. (also should I include the wifi card?)

If it is the drive that the PC boots from? Yeah, just include it. (Pro is pretty much included in all office PCs.) It's not like you have to go buy a full copy for $100 somewhere. It's free from Microsoft or dirt cheap these days. (I am rocking 2 separate OEM copies of PRO from ebay at less than $5 each. No issues in either case.) Make your bootable thumb drive on your current pc before you get rid of it.

 

Move your files and stuff you wanna keep to the new SSD; it will all fit. Then wipe that one to a clean windows for the next guy. Nobody will wanna buy your old PC if it doesn't boot.

You don't HAVE to sell the old PC. It just doesn't necessarily have much in the way of becoming a home server or anything like that. Might as well go to the next hopeful who wants to shove a 1050Ti in there or something, and help fund your upgrade.

 

As to the wifi card: is it an external adapter, or is it built into the PC? Honestly, I always hard wire in for gaming. The connection is always going to be more stable than wifi, and you're not battling for bandwidth with other devices on the network. Plus, ethernet cords are cheap! If it's a usb adapter, just keep it!

 

This build has a few nice upgrade paths: 

  1. The APU will beat your current system, but the CPU has capability to handle a much better GPU when you're ready to buy one and step it up in the future.
  2. The RAM upgrade will be translatable to any updates for the forseeable future. No more paying $100 for an old, used DDR3 capable CPU when a superior DDR4 CPU is the same or less.
  3. The Mobo could support a more powerful Ryzen (like a 2600) in the future, as long as you don't want to overclock. (This board won't hold up for that.) Though I wouldn't expect this model to translate to a Ryzen 3rd gen. We don't quite know what to expect there yet.


An ASRock Pro4 (MATX) would be a significant upgrade to the posted system, if you can fork over an extra $12 right now. That is an amendment I would like to submit lol. This would only accentuate the CPU upgrade path, as this could handle even a  2700X if you didn't OC it. With a cooler upgrade, you could also OC your APU on this board for better APU results. I updated the original post.

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4 hours ago, trevb0t said:

If it is the drive that the PC boots from? Yeah, just include it. (Pro is pretty much included in all office PCs.) It's not like you have to go buy a full copy for $100 somewhere. It's free from Microsoft or dirt cheap these days. (I am rocking 2 separate OEM copies of PRO from ebay at less than $5 each. No issues in either case.) Make your bootable thumb drive on your current pc before you get rid of it.

 

Move your files and stuff you wanna keep to the new SSD; it will all fit. Then wipe that one to a clean windows for the next guy. Nobody will wanna buy your old PC if it doesn't boot.

You don't HAVE to sell the old PC. It just doesn't necessarily have much in the way of becoming a home server or anything like that. Might as well go to the next hopeful who wants to shove a 1050Ti in there or something, and help fund your upgrade.

 

As to the wifi card: is it an external adapter, or is it built into the PC? Honestly, I always hard wire in for gaming. The connection is always going to be more stable than wifi, and you're not battling for bandwidth with other devices on the network. Plus, ethernet cords are cheap! If it's a usb adapter, just keep it!

 

This build has a few nice upgrade paths: 

  1. The APU will beat your current system, but the CPU has capability to handle a much better GPU when you're ready to buy one and step it up in the future.
  2. The RAM upgrade will be translatable to any updates for the forseeable future. No more paying $100 for an old, used DDR3 capable CPU when a superior DDR4 CPU is the same or less.
  3. The Mobo could support a more powerful Ryzen (like a 2600) in the future, as long as you don't want to overclock. (This board won't hold up for that.) Though I wouldn't expect this model to translate to a Ryzen 3rd gen. We don't quite know what to expect there yet.


An ASRock Pro4 (MATX) would be a significant upgrade to the posted system, if you can fork over an extra $12 right now. That is an amendment I would like to submit lol. This would only accentuate the CPU upgrade path, as this could handle even a  2700X if you didn't OC it. With a cooler upgrade, you could also OC your APU on this board for better APU results. I updated the original post.

The wifi is a pcie x1 card, and has no ethernet, but works fine.  can you tell me how you got the windows though? I have never heard of this.  also if anything, i would sell my lenovo thinkcentre m78 5100, and keep this system, because it would fit more hard drives for a NAS on the inside (<opinion on that?)

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PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant
Type Item Price
CPU AMD - Ryzen 5 2600X 3.6 GHz 6-Core Processor $189.89 @ OutletPC
Motherboard MSI - B450 TOMAHAWK ATX AM4 Motherboard $114.99 @ B&H
Memory Corsair - Vengeance LPX 16 GB (2 x 8 GB) DDR4-3000 Memory $104.99 @ Amazon
Storage Samsung - 860 Evo 500 GB 2.5" Solid State Drive $77.98 @ Amazon
Video Card MSI - GeForce RTX 2060 6 GB VENTUS OC Video Card $349.99 @ Newegg
Case Fractal Design - Meshify C White TG ATX Mid Tower Case $89.98 @ Amazon
Power Supply Corsair - RMx (2018) 550 W 80+ Gold Certified Fully-Modular ATX Power Supply $63.98 @ Newegg
  Prices include shipping, taxes, rebates, and discounts  
  Total (before mail-in rebates) $1021.80
  Mail-in rebates -$30.00
  Total $991.80
  Generated by PCPartPicker 2019-04-13 02:20 EDT-0400  

 

In case you do decide to get a new system. This should last you at least a few years 

 

MSI B450 Pro Gaming Pro Carbon AC | AMD Ryzen 2700x  | NZXT  Kraken X52  | MSI GeForce RTX2070 Armour | Corsair Vengeance LPX 32GB (4*8) 3200MhZ | Samsung 970 evo M.2nvme 500GB Boot  / Samsung 860 evo 500GB SSD | Corsair RM550X (2018) | Fractal Design Meshify C white | Logitech G pro Wireless | Gigabyte Aurus AD27QD 

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8 hours ago, Chambersofsecret said:

The wifi is a pcie x1 card, and has no ethernet, but works fine.  can you tell me how you got the windows though? I have never heard of this.  also if anything, i would sell my lenovo thinkcentre m78 5100, and keep this system, because it would fit more hard drives for a NAS on the inside (<opinion on that?)

I mean bruh... My opinion is just get new gear. You don't have to sell or keep anything. The point I make is that your gear is old and wasn't particularly powerful even in its heyday, and the possible upgrades aren't great options. The parts I posted are a very inexpensive upgrade path into the new era. The new system has an ethernet hookup, which is more secure than wifi either way. Keep your PCIE card if you wanna! 

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On 4/12/2019 at 3:55 AM, Sat1600 said:

Upgrading your graphics card will do you more good than upgrading your CPU. An I3 is NOT bottlenecking a gt 1030. Sell the 1030 for 187.49﷼ and pick up a rx 570 from Ebay for 281.23﷼ to 299.98﷼.

 

https://rover.ebay.com/rover/0/0/0?mpre=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.ebay.com%2Fulk%2Fitm%2F333153382515

 

If you want to upgrade the CPU. You can put in an I5 2500 or I7 2600. You can also get a xeon e3-1240 4 core 8 thread like an I7 but no integrated graphics.

 

https://www.ebay.com/itm/CPU-Processor-Intel-Xeon-Quad-Core-E3-1240-SR00K-3-3GHz-8MB-5GT-s-AM/352640052758?_mwBanner=1&amp;ul_ref=https%3A%2F%2Frover.ebay.com%2Frover%2F0%2F0%2F0%3Fmpre%3Dhttps%3A%2F%2Fwww.ebay.com%2Fulk%2Fitm%2F352640052758%26rvr_id%3D0%26rvr_ts%3D0f0a416f16a0a9cd1b50f8d1ffef4537&amp;ul_noapp=true&amp;pageci=c68b1618-7901-4b3a-92a0-6f002ac89fe8

My friend how about the Xeon e3 1270 v2 can u use also in Dell Optiplex 390?thanks for your answer...

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On 4/12/2019 at 12:07 AM, Snipergod87 said:

 

Here is some useful information, a complete list of supported processors and some info on BIOS

I just tried a i7-3370 in the OptiPlex 390 and it did not work. 

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On 3/14/2020 at 5:59 PM, AM0002 said:

I just tried a i7-3370 in the OptiPlex 390 and it did not work. 

did you flash the BIOS?

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