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I just watched a video on gamer meld, he was talking about amd being able to use ray tracing on a vega 56 without tensor cores? 

Is that for real? 

After all that money Nvidia spent on making ray tracing proprietary amd just snaps their fingers and "like a boss" look nvidia we can do it too but no need for proprietary hardware. WTF. 

No wonder Lisa Su said what she said. But is it feasible? 

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2 minutes ago, Galion said:

I just watched a video on gamer meld, he was talking about amd being able to use ray tracing on a vega 56 without tensor cores? 

Is that for real? 

After all that money Nvidia spent on making ray tracing proprietary amd just snaps their fingers and "like a boss" look nvidia we can do it too but no need for proprietary hardware. WTF. 

No wonder Lisa Su said what she said. But is it feasible? 

yes its a real thing

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2 minutes ago, Galion said:

I just watched a video on gamer meld, he was talking about amd being able to use ray tracing on a vega 56 without tensor cores? 

Is that for real? 

After all that money Nvidia spent on making ray tracing proprietary amd just snaps their fingers and "like a boss" look nvidia we can do it too but no need for proprietary hardware. WTF. 

No wonder Lisa Su said what she said. But is it feasible? 

Don't know who gamer meld is, but i believe you're talking about CryEngine demonstrating Ray Tracing on Vega 56?

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7 hours ago, _Syn_ said:

Don't know who gamer meld is, but i believe you're talking about CryEngine demonstrating Ray Tracing on Vega 56?

 

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The Crytek showing off Vega 56 running raytracing is real news. Gamer Meld channel.... I used to like it (more for his voice lol), but as a newer channel it doesnt have that much sources compared to older channels, say RedGamingTech.

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3 minutes ago, Earnist_ said:

yes its a real thing

Nvidia spent so much money trying to get it right with so much trouble, and AMD did it with current amd tech. 

Are they going RT as well now? 

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that's only engine specific, it's not gonna be widespread on all games and it's not as good as real Ray Tracing, what Nvidia did is Real Time Path Tracing, that still cannot be done even with software trickery, it has to depend on hardware, but CryEngine demonstrated "faking" Ray Tracing using different techniques, it's still pretty amazing though.
 

*note: Path Tracing is not the same as Ray Tracing

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7 hours ago, Jurrunio said:

The Crytek showing off Vega 56 running raytracing is real news. Gamer Meld channel.... I used to like it (more for his voice lol), but as a newer channel it doesnt have that much sources compared to older channels, say RedGamingTech.

It feels like amd just took a dump on Nvidia's show. 

 

7 hours ago, _Syn_ said:

that's only engine specific, it's not gonna be widespread on all games and it's not as good as real Ray Tracing, what Nvidia did is Real Time Path Tracing, that still cannot be done even with software trickery, it has to depend on hardware, but CryEngine demonstrated "faking" Ray Tracing using different techniques, it's still pretty amazing though.

So it's still not RT then. 

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Crytek's demonstration isn't technically """"true raytracing"""". It's on a software level and is engine specific, and I'm pretty sure was limited on what it affected, so as not to shit on framerates. NVIDIA's hardware-based version is global real time path tracing, and will raytrace everything, which is why it's so hard to handle.

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Just now, Galion said:

So it's still not RT then. 

No I don't think so, but a cool demo nonetheless, this is just the start of Nvidia's technology and it's not going away, AMD will most likely follow with their own hardware implementation too.

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6 minutes ago, Galion said:

It feels like amd just took a dump on Nvidia's show. 

Not really, Crytek's implementation is more like dealing with videos without hardware acceleration. Sure compatibility is less of a problem now, but it could totally end up being so demanding, the whole Crysis story of dragging brand new flagship hardware through the mud can start again.

 

4 minutes ago, Galion said:

So it's still not RT then. 

Not RTX flavour of RT, but there are multiple ways of doing RT

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5 minutes ago, HingaDingaDurgen said:

Crytek's demonstration isn't technically """"true raytracing"""". It's on a software level and is engine specific, and I'm pretty sure was limited on what it affected, so as not to shit on framerates. NVIDIA's hardware-based version is global real time path tracing, and will raytrace everything, which is why it's so hard to handle.

lol amd almost gave me scare, but at least they're trying. 

2 minutes ago, Jurrunio said:

Not really, Crytek's implementation is more like dealing with videos without hardware acceleration. Sure compatibility is less of a problem now, but it could totally end up being so demanding, the whole Crysis story of dragging brand new flagship hardware through the mud can start again.

 

Not RTX flavour of RT, but there are multiple ways of RT

Ah like my watermelon fruit drink, not watermelon fruit juice. I just hope amd catches up. 

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I think its possible, think of Free Sync it's free and it doesn't require any spl hardware for it whereas Gsync needs dedicated hardware (  so does it performs better ) but free sync works fine. the same way Ray tracing can be achieved without spl hardware but get ready to see some performance hit 

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6 minutes ago, Agent47.exe said:

I think its possible, think of Free Sync it's free and it doesn't require any spl hardware for it whereas Gsync needs dedicated hardware (  so does it performs better ) but free sync works fine. the same way Ray tracing can be achieved without spl hardware but get ready to see some performance hit 

Hmm that's true, it'd be nice to have a free software that covers RT 

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2 hours ago, _Syn_ said:

that's only engine specific, it's not gonna be widespread on all games and it's not as good as real Ray Tracing, what Nvidia did is Real Time Path Tracing, that still cannot be done even with software trickery, it has to depend on hardware, but CryEngine demonstrated "faking" Ray Tracing using different techniques, it's still pretty amazing though.
 

*note: Path Tracing is not the same as Ray Tracing

Its not like nvidia hw can run real ray tracing in anything modern looking. Quake 2...

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8 minutes ago, thinwalrus said:

Its not like nvidia hw can run real ray tracing in anything modern looking. Quake 2...

Here have a watermelon drink, it's no watermelon juice but still.... It's a good try. 

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6 hours ago, thinwalrus said:

Its not like nvidia hw can run real ray tracing in anything modern looking. Quake 2...

well as all new technologies, it needs to mature and it will get there eventually.

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