Wtf is the real voltage?

[AriGee50]

Hey all

So ive been setting up the overclock on my Ryzen 7 1700X, Ive managed to get a stable 3.9GHz on all 8 cores at 1.39v. But Ive seen some readings as high as 1.44... That seems concerning. I have noticed that it seems like just about every app gives me a different voltage and I dont know who to believe... 

 

In BIOS I set vcore to 1.39375 (and SOC is 1.6875 btw)

Ryzen Master reads exactly that and never fluctuates, which leads me to believe its not measuring anything, its just reading what its set to from BIOS.

HWInfo reads vcore at 1.394 at idle, dipping to 1.362 at load. (btw before I raised LLC to 3 and SOC to 1.68v it read 1.387v at idle with the same vcore setting on BIOS).

iCUE tells me VCPU from the motherboard is anywhere from 1.42 to 1.44.

I cant find a VCPU on HWinfo but VDDR CPU reads as high as 1.469 at load and 1.384 at idle.

And OCCT thinks my vcore fluctuates between about 1.3 and 2.7v...right...

 

so who the hell is right?? what voltage is going to my damn cpu?!? lol

 

I was hoping to keep my voltage under 1.4v. I think I might even be able to come down from 1.39375 vcore, I dont think the base voltage was the problem, I think the vdroop was the issue and upping the LLC seems to have addressed that. And honestly, it was stable even before I upped the LLC, it was only OCCT that said it found errors. Even realbench said my OC passed. And just btw, temps are reasonable, 81* while running OCCT (thats what has gotten it hottest), while folding it hits 77* (which is a sustained load it will see frequently so thats what I care about more).

 

So who is right? and does it look like im hurting anything?

 

Thanks everyone! Cheers,

~ari

 

Hardware:

Ryzen 7 1700X

H115i cooler

ASUS ROG STRIX X370-F mobo

EVGA GTX 1070 SC

32GB G.Skill TridentZ RAM (3000MHz running at 2993)

Corsair RM1000i psu

and 9 different drives because im dumb...

 

SEE ALL BIOS SETTINGS BELOW

[Turtle Rig]

2 minutes ago, AriGee50 said:

Hey all

So ive been setting up the overclock on my Ryzen 7 1700X, Ive managed to get a stable 3.9GHz on all 8 cores at 1.39v. But Ive seen some readings as high as 1.44... That seems concerning. I have noticed that it seems like just about every app gives me a different voltage and I dont know who to believe... 

 

In BIOS I set vcore to 1.39375

Ryzen Master reads exactly that and never fluctuates, which leads me to believe its not measuring anything, its just reading what its set to from BIOS.

HWInfo reads vcore at 1.394 at idle, dipping to 1.362 at load. (btw before I raised LLC to 3 it read 1.387 at idle with the same vcore setting on BIOS).

iCUE tells me VCPU from the motherboard is anywhere from 1.42 to 1.44.

I cant find a VCPU on HWinfo but VDDR CPU reads as high as 1.469 at load and 1.384 at idle.

And OCCT thinks my vcore fluctuates between about 1.3 and 2.7v...right...

 

so who the hell is right?? what voltage is going to my damn cpu?!? lol

 

I was hoping to keep my voltage under 1.4v. I think I might even be able to come down from 1.39375 vcore, I dont think the base voltage was the problem, I think the vdroop was the issue and upping the LLC seems to have addressed that. And honestly, it was stable even before I upped the LLC, it was only OCCT that said it found errors. Even realbench said my OC passed. And just btw, temps are reasonable, 81* while running OCCT (thats what has gotten it hottest), while folding it hits 77* (which is a sustained load it will see frequently so thats what I care about more).

 

So who is right? and does it look like im hurting anything?

 

Thanks everyone! Cheers,

~ari

 

Hardware:

Ryzen 7 1700X

H115i cooler

ASUS ROG STRIX X370-F mobo

EVGA GTX 1070 SC

32GB G.Skill TridentZ RAM (3000MHz running at 2993)

Corsair RM1000i psu

and 9 different drives because im dumb...

You want to know your real voltage, download Aida64 and run stability test while your CPUID in AIda is open.  Then put full load on system with Aida stability test and check your voltages, that is your real voltage after LLC and all that.

[Jurrunio]

Vcore from HWinfo will be the value I trust. VCPU's higher reading could be the result of measuring the voltage right from the VRM controller's voltage sense, which will be higher than what the CPU gets because of voltage drop as the current travels through the motherboard and into the CPU.

 

VDDR is memory voltage (also Vdimm), below 1.5V is fine.

[AriGee50]

8 minutes ago, Jurrunio said:

Vcore from HWinfo will be the value I trust. VCPU's higher reading could be the result of measuring the voltage right from the VRM controller's voltage sense, which will be higher than what the CPU gets because of voltage drop as the current travels through the motherboard and into the CPU.

 

VDDR is memory voltage (also Vdimm), below 1.5V is fine.

Oh...right...duh...I knew that, im a moron lol.

 

12 minutes ago, Turtle Rig said:

You want to know your real voltage, download Aida64 and run stability test while your CPUID in AIda is open.  Then put full load on system with Aida stability test and check your voltages, that is your real voltage after LLC and all that.

I have Aida64. Now I havent paid for the full version so maybe there is something I dont have access to? or maybe Im looking at the wrong thing? In the system stability test window you can see vcore on a graph...there it reads .719v...so uh...ok. and then under CPU it says core voltage: .900-1.394v...I have the CPUID window open, but I dont see any voltage info on that window (but again, maybe because free?)...idk...

 

Im updating the original post with a little more info and some shots of my BIOS settings

[Turtle Rig]

3 minutes ago, AriGee50 said:

Oh...right...duh...I knew that, im a moron lol.

 

I have Aida64. Now I havent paid for the full version so maybe there is something I dont have access to? or maybe Im looking at the wrong thing? In the system stability test window you can see vcore on a graph...there it reads .719v...so uh...ok. and then under CPU it says core voltage: .900-1.394v...I have the CPUID window open, but I dont see any voltage info on that window (but again, maybe because free?)...idk...

 

Im updating the original post with a little more info and some shots of my BIOS settings

NOPE, you can still run the stability test and CPUID ,, it will say trial tho.

[AriGee50]

5 minutes ago, Turtle Rig said:

NOPE, you can still run the stability test and CPUID ,, it will say trial tho.

Right, and I have, but the CPUID window shows me .709v at idle and .719v during the test...same as it shows me in the stability test window.

[Turtle Rig]

1 minute ago, AriGee50 said:

Right, and I have, but the CPUID window shows me .719v...

Which is not even 1 volt.  Hmmmmmm.  I have  friend who business is to build computers for companies and HEDT.  He uses LLC to fullest as they sell them OCed and that is a campaign for them.  Hes never had a false reading on all sorts of machines like HP and Dell HEDT.  CPU-Z and CPUID shows the proper voltage.  It would be nice if you can check the voltage in BIOS and see what it says in there.  If both CPU-Z and AIDA CPUID shows not even 1volt then I think the software or ultilities and your BIOS are not playing nice with each other.  Once you see your voltage in the BIOS that is your real voltage.  If you go to Winblows and it shows something very off like not even 1v ,, then I would just not worry about it and use your computer and play games and do productivity apps..... Let us know if your computer freezes or crash when you do this.

[Jurrunio]

11 minutes ago, AriGee50 said:

Right, and I have, but the CPUID window shows me .709v at idle and .719v during the test...same as it shows me in the stability test window.

that BIOS seems OLDDDD. Update that maybe?

[Turtle Rig]

3 minutes ago, Jurrunio said:

that BIOS seems OLDDDD. Update that maybe?

Woah that's off.  Btw is that the stock speed of the CPU ?  Or is it OCed ?  This is very strange, I mean the voltage it is showing is way off, however your computer is not crashing right ?  If your computer is not crashing and works flawlessly then forget about this issue for now and enjoy your computer ya know.

[AriGee50]

no, computer is working great. and has passed OCCT and realbench tests with no errors. I just worry I might be degrading the chip too quickly if it turns out I am overvolting it.

 

i assure you the voltage is not less than a volt lol

 

and stock speed is 3.4GHz, I am running at 3.9GHz

[Turtle Rig]

3 minutes ago, AriGee50 said:

no, computer is working great. and has passed OCCT and realbench tests with no errors. I just worry I might be degrading the chip too quickly if it turns out I am overvolting it.

 

i assure you the voltage is not less than a volt lol

 

and stock speed is 3.4GHz, I am running at 3.9GHz

As long as your temps are in 70's c or even low 80's c on Aida Stability test, then your fine.  Under normal use you should be like 60's c at most.  But if you render or do 100 percent usage on the CPU then 70's c is just fine.

[nick name]

HWiFNO seems to be the most accurate.  

[AriGee50]

ok...so...that was sofa king terrifying...

 

I updated BIOS, loaded my previous settings...and couldnt boot windows...so...i guess im back to square 1 on my overclock...fking great...

 

but btw, AIDA still says my vcore is below 1v...

[Turtle Rig]

3 minutes ago, AriGee50 said:

ok...so...that was sofa king terrifying...

 

I updated BIOS, loaded my previous settings...and couldnt boot windows...so...i guess im back to square 1 on my overclock...fking great...

 

but btw, AIDA still says my vcore is below 1v...

As long as your temps are good, and computer doesn't crash, let it go.  Obviously Winblows and Ryzen mobo and cpu are not playing nice with each other.  Not a big deal honestly.  You can blame uncle Billy for this one.  Don't rely on software for your proper voltage, so long as it is @ 1.3xx in BIOS and your temps fine once again and no crashes, then forget about it and use your computer your fine man.

[AriGee50]

Just now, Turtle Rig said:

As long as your temps are good, and computer doesn't crash, let it go.  Obviously Winblows and Ryzen mobo and cpu are not playing nice with each other.  Not a big deal honestly.  You can blame uncle Billy for this one.  Don't rely on software for your proper voltage, so long as it is @ 1.3xx in BIOS and your temps fine once again and no crashes, then forget about it and use your computer your fine man.

well at this point windows wont even load with my previous overclock...and my computer is acting very strange...it hangs for about 45 seconds between POST and loading windows, just flashing the little line as if from a run dialogue in a few different placces on the screen. repeats like 10 times then opens windows...

 

Now I really wish I hadnt updated my BIOS...

[Turtle Rig]

1 minute ago, AriGee50 said:

well at this point windows wont even load with my previous overclock...and my computer is acting very strange...it hangs for about 45 seconds between POST and loading windows, just flashing the little line as if from a run dialogue in a few different placces on the screen. repeats like 10 times then opens windows...

 

Now I really wish I hadnt updated my BIOS...

Awwwwwwwwwwwww crap shoot! Darn it.... Im sorry for that.  Do this.  Set BIOS to default settings and lets get you up and running first, then we will take steps to OC you back to where you were.

[AriGee50]

1 minute ago, Turtle Rig said:

Awwwwwwwwwwwww crap shoot! Darn it.... Im sorry for that.  Do this.  Set BIOS to default settings and lets get you up and running first, then we will take steps to OC you back to where you were.

I did, it was still behaving strangely but windows loaded at stock settings. Im slowly getting back to where I was adding in variables to see where it went wrong. but maybe it was just a fluke...idk. it was weird, for the first few times every time I would reboot the computer would turn ALL the way off, then back on after a few seconds. now its not anymore. and the hanging before loading windows has decreased although its not gone.

 

So far Ive added in most of the elements of my overclock and its still loading to windows so like I said, maybe it was a fluke...

[Turtle Rig]

Just now, AriGee50 said:

I did, it was still behaving strangely but windows loaded at stock settings. Im slowly getting back to where I was adding in variables to see where it went wrong. but maybe it was just a fluke...idk. it was weird, for the first few times every time I would reboot the computer would turn ALL the way off, then back on after a few seconds. now its not anymore. and the hanging before loading windows has decreased although its not gone.

 

So far Ive added in most of the elements of my overclock and its still loading to windows so like I said, maybe it was a fluke...

Good to hear... Now please stop obsessing about WInblows misreading your voltage.  Nothing is broken, if it ain't broke no need to fix.  Screw uncle billys it is common for Winblows to show bunk... It is a combination of motherboard and OS that have decided to not play nice with each other.  Now slowly lets see if you can get your OC back.  Also if the computer shuts off like you said, that means a bad overclock! just fyi...….

[AriGee50]

4 minutes ago, Turtle Rig said:

Good to hear... Now please stop obsessing about WInblows misreading your voltage.  Nothing is broken, if it ain't broke no need to fix.  Screw uncle billys it is common for Winblows to show bunk... It is a combination of motherboard and OS that have decided to not play nice with each other.  Now slowly lets see if you can get your OC back.  Also if the computer shuts off like you said, that means a bad overclock! just fyi...….

Yea ive experienced that with an OC failing and it shutting off fully, but this was just while restarting even from BIOS...with stock settings...

 

but ive gotten windows to load with all my previous settings...so...idk. I will do some testing now to see if its actually stable.

the ghost of christmas f**k you strikes again...

[nick name]

Don't forget to switch to HWiNFO

[AriGee50]

Just now, nick name said:

Don't forget to switch to HWiNFO

yea its what ive been using most because most people seem to think its best. and gratefully i am seeing the same readings I did before the BIOS update on the same clock.

[Turtle Rig]

21 minutes ago, AriGee50 said:

yea its what ive been using most because most people seem to think its best. and gratefully i am seeing the same readings I did before the BIOS update on the same clock.

Gosh Aida64 is HWINFO is a nice utility but Aida64 is made by professionals.  Me personally I get same temp readings on a bunch of utils I use.  

 

Im telling you as long as your back up with your previous OC, forget what Winblows tells you, it also says Im at 4.09Ghz when Im obviously not.  Screw Uncle Billy basically.  Once again get your OC back @ 1.392v set the LLC aggressive and watch your temps on full load AIda stability.  If your in 70's c your fine.  Even touching 80c your fine.  You will rarely get this temp in real world apps as they will be much lower temp, as AIda on purpose is putting a lot of stress on your CPU.  Also AIda is not synthetic,, Prime95 is.  Anyhow if your up and running again, just swallow the pill your fine man.

[AriGee50]

5 minutes ago, Turtle Rig said:

Gosh Aida64 is HWINFO is a nice utility but Aida64 is made by professionals.  Me personally I get same temp readings on a bunch of utils I use.  

 

Im telling you as long as your back up with your previous OC, forget what Winblows tells you, it also says Im at 4.09Ghz when Im obviously not.  Screw Uncle Billy basically.  Once again get your OC back @ 1.392v set the LLC aggressive and watch your temps on full load AIda stability.  If your in 70's c your fine.  Even touching 80c your fine.  You will rarely get this temp in real world apps as they will be much lower temp, as AIda on purpose is putting a lot of stress on your CPU.  Also AIda is not synthetic,, Prime95 is.  Anyhow if your up and running again, just swallow the pill your fine man.

so its pretty stable in Aida, gets up to 77c. It passed RealBench, also around 77c. OCCT gets me up to 80c is saying its reading errors now though but idk...OCCT seems to have an awfully sensitive trigger finger.

 

You think I should go up from LLC 3?

[Turtle Rig]

11 minutes ago, AriGee50 said:

so its pretty stable in Aida, gets up to 77c. It passed RealBench, also around 77c. OCCT gets me up to 80c is saying its reading errors now though but idk...OCCT seems to have an awfully sensitive trigger finger.

 

You think I should go up from LLC 3?

Don't bother with OCCT its synthetic man and it is going to kill your CPU if you keep running it,, 80c is fake,  in real world you will get 10c lower if not more on a full load project.  Do not pay attention to OCCT.  As long as Aida says your fine, then your fine,  Not these small little silly apps that torch your CPU in a way a real world app doesn't.  No worries your set.  Let me know if you run into further problems, but for now your ok man.  Your temps are normal and your system isn't crashing so just deal with the fact Winblows is drunk showing wrong voltage.  That's it, good luck, now go and enjoy your computer and what not.

[Turtle Rig]

7 minutes ago, Turtle Rig said: