is va really that bad

[Smackaroy]

so from what ive heard all panel types have disadvantages and advantages but resentley i have heard that va is bad is this true 

[Slottr]

Cheap to use, but have better colours than TN

[Smackaroy]

Just now, Slottr said:

Cheap to use, but have better colours than TN

makes sence

[r2724r16]

17 minutes ago, Smackaroy said:

so from what ive heard all panel types have disadvantages and advantages but resentley i have seen tones of va displays and lees ips ones why is this   

VA panels are pretty bad. They have tons of ghosting, bad response times, and their image quality is usually pretty crap (albeit slightly better than TN panels).

 

I don't honestly understand who VA panels are for. Gamers should be fine with both TN and IPS panels, and IPS panels are good for content creators, but VA panels don't have a clear market IMO.

 

Why there are more VA panels than IPS ones, idk. Maybe they're cheaper to produce?

[Enderman]

2 minutes ago, Geography said:

VA panels are pretty bad. They have tons of ghosting, bad response times, and their image quality is usually pretty crap (albeit slightly better than TN panels).

 

I don't honestly understand who VA panels are for. Gamers should be fine with both TN and IPS panels, and IPS panels are good for content creators, but VA panels don't have a clear market IMO.

VA panels are actually pretty good.

Colours much better than TN but without the framerate difficulties and cost that IPS has.

Many TVs use VA and they have excellent picture quality.

[Smackaroy]

Just now, Geography said:

VA panels are pretty bad. They have tons of ghosting, bad response times, and their image quality is usually pretty crap (albeit slightly better than TN panels).

 

I don't honestly understand who VA panels are for. Gamers should be fine with both TN and IPS panels, and IPS panels are good for content creators, but VA panels don't have a clear market IMO.

ok good to know im in the market for a new monitor and was thinking of getting a ultrawide but ultrawides with ips 100hz are like $1000 so do you think i should get a 16;9 monitor with ips 144hz?

 

[Smackaroy]

from what i can see opinions are mixed 

[Jurrunio]

VA still has worse viewing angles than IPS, that's why high end high refresh rate monitors still use IPS.

[r2724r16]

1 minute ago, Enderman said:

VA panels are actually pretty good.

Colours much better than TN but without the framerate difficulties and cost that IPS has.

Many TVs use VA and they have excellent picture quality.

For TVs, I guess VA panels are fine. But for a gaming monitor (or even one for content creation), VA panels don't make much sense IMO. And VA panels have been pretty bad in my past experiences (your experiences might've been different though), not gonna argue over that.

1 minute ago, Smackaroy said:

ok good to know im in the market for a new monitor and was thinking of getting a ultrawide but ultrawides with ips 100hz are like $1000 so do you think i should get a 16;9 monitor with ips 144hz?

For gaming? For content creation? Tell us the specific monitor(s) you're thinking of buying?

[Smackaroy]

4 minutes ago, Geography said:

For TVs, I guess VA panels are fine. But for a gaming monitor (or even one for content creation), VA panels don't make much sense IMO. And VA panels have been pretty bad in my past experiences (your experiences might've been different though), not gonna argue over that.

For gaming? For content creation? Tell us the specific monitor(s) you're thinking of buying?

both gaming and content creation i was thinking of https://www.ebuyer.com/726019-asus-pg279q-27-rog-swift-165hz-gaming-monitor-pg279q for 16:9 or https://www.amazon.com/Acer-Predator-Z35P-bmiphz-3440x1440/dp/B06ZZDYVQM/ref=sr_1_1?tag=hardwar0d-20&ie=UTF8&qid=1503578852&sr=8-1&keywords=acer+Z35p for ultraswide

[Smackaroy]

1 minute ago, Smackaroy said:

both gaming and content creation i was thinking of https://www.ebuyer.com/726019-asus-pg279q-27-rog-swift-165hz-gaming-monitor-pg279q for 16:9 or https://www.amazon.com/Acer-Predator-Z35P-bmiphz-3440x1440/dp/B06ZZDYVQM/ref=sr_1_1?tag=hardwar0d-20&ie=UTF8&qid=1503578852&sr=8-1&keywords=acer+Z35p 

whoops

[r2724r16]

1 minute ago, Smackaroy said:

both gaming and content creation i was thinking of https://www.ebuyer.com/726019-asus-pg279q-27-rog-swift-165hz-gaming-monitor-pg279q for 16:9 or https://www.amazon.com/Acer-Predator-Z35P-bmiphz-3440x1440/dp/B06ZZDYVQM/ref=sr_1_1?tag=hardwar0d-20&ie=UTF8&qid=1503578852&sr=8-1&keywords=acer+Z35p 

If both gaming and content creation, then definitely go with the PG279Q (the IPS panel).

 

VA panels are acceptable for neither gaming nor content creation.

[Dedayog]

24 minutes ago, Smackaroy said:

so from what ive heard all panel types have disadvantages and advantages but resentley i have seen tones of va displays and lees ips ones why is this   

So you've gone thru and cataloged all the panels and found more VA than IPS?  

 

Must be a fairly large database you've compiled.

 

Honestly, you see a few and make a huge wild ass leap of illogic.  There are a ton of each kind out there, for every use case.  Look past the few you've seen.

 

Total troll post.

[Smackaroy]

Just now, jstudrawa said:

So you've gone thru and cataloged all the panels and found more VA than IPS?  

 

Must be a fairly large database you've compiled.

 

Honestly, you see a few and make a huge wild ass leap of illogic.  There are a ton of each kind out there, for every use case.  Look past the few you've seen.

 

Total troll post.

sorry for your misunderstanding the title might be stupid im not very good at titles i shall change that now 

[Smackaroy]

6 minutes ago, Smackaroy said:

sorry for your misunderstanding the title might be stupid im not very good at titles i shall change that now 

the thing is i had been looking at gaming ultrawides witch at my price point have been all va so yes the title was wrong  i suck at foruming just please don't call me a troll that is not my intention

[Enderman]

14 minutes ago, Geography said:

For TVs, I guess VA panels are fine. But for a gaming monitor (or even one for content creation), VA panels don't make much sense IMO. And VA panels have been pretty bad in my past experiences (your experiences might've been different though), not gonna argue over that.

I game and create content using a tv as my monitor and in fact it is much better than regular monitors because it has a 10 bit panel instead of 8.

 

[loculus]

There's a decently wide range of performance seen across monitors using IPS (and PLS and similar) and especially VA and TN based on the electronics, processing, bit depth, backlighting, QC, etc. Never mind between general consumer monitors and some niche, very expensive professional monitors, or let's say TVs.

 

Most of the VA in monitors these days seem to have different characteristics than those we saw more commonly 5+ years ago, frequently with worse contrast but better viewing angles. Also some differences in black crush

 

The response times are still a weakness, but the VA panels with relatively poor contrast are significantly better than the TN and IPS panels in this regard. With the push into HDR delivery, VA makes sense given the targets for contrast ratios, even if there are sacrifices there.

 

By the way, response times are not uniform across different pixel colors. With VA what's absolutely horrible is black -> dark grayish colors. Other response times are more in line with IPS (worse than TN) usually though of course everything depends on the specific panel and a lot about the overdrive implementation.

 

With IPS there's the frequent issue of IPS glow especially when quality control is not perfect for a given sample. Manufacturers may be concerned about potential returns from dissatisfied customers of IPS models getting an average or poor sample.

 

For general-purpose content consumption, VA can be a decent compromise. Certain gamers and image/video-related content creators should look elsewhere.

[Dedayog]

1 minute ago, Smackaroy said:

the thing is i had been looking at gaming ultrawides witch at my price point have been all va so yes the title was wrong from what this post turned out to be i suck at foruming just please don't call me a troll that is not my intention

As someone who has a VA Ultrawide, they are more than adequate for gaming.  VA is the compromise between TN and IPS if you boil it down.

 

I also think that UW in IPS would be another level of pricing, so VA strikes another balance for price.

[Smackaroy]

10 minutes ago, jstudrawa said:

As someone who has a VA Ultrawide, they are more than adequate for gaming.  VA is the compromise between TN and IPS if you boil it down.

 

I also think that UW in IPS would be another level of pricing, so VA strikes another balance for price.

what is the monitor you use?

[Dedayog]

2 minutes ago, Smackaroy said:

what is the monitor you use?

http://us.aoc.com/en/gaming/products/ag352ucg

 

https://smile.amazon.com/AOC-AG352UCG-3440x1440-Adjustable-DisplayPort/dp/B06X9CBRTP/ref=sr_1_3?ie=UTF8&qid=1548022133&sr=8-3&keywords=35+aoc+agon

 

There is a 120Hz version now that's a bit cheaper at $780.

 

[Rdpruitt]

What about VA panels used in high end monitors? Like the ones Asus will release later with 4k 120h hz HDR and Freesync 2.

https://rog.asus.com/articles/gaming-monitors/the-43-rog-strix-xg438q-does-big-screen-gaming-with-freesync-hdr-2-at-4k-and-120hz/

Will this be fine for gaming? It's obviously directed towards gamers.

 

BTW: Im posting this as a question not as a monitor recommendation.

[Dedayog]

1 minute ago, Rdpruitt said:

What about VA panels used in high end monitors? Like the ones Asus will release later with 4k 120h hz HDR and Freesync 2.

https://rog.asus.com/articles/gaming-monitors/the-43-rog-strix-xg438q-does-big-screen-gaming-with-freesync-hdr-2-at-4k-and-120hz/

Will this be fine for gaming? It's obviously directed towards gamers.

In case you missed the other posts, VA is very good.  They've come a very long way from when they first came out.  They're great gaming panels, and that monitor is nice.

 

I'd wait til you can hit even triple digits in 4k before paying that tho.

[Ergroilnin]

I personally have Samsung C32HG70, which is 1440p 32" 144hz QLED VA panel and I couldn't be happier with it. Zero BLB, great blacks only beaten by OLED, vibrant colors, viewing angles are totally fine and I don't feel ghosting or input lag much at all. Sure TN panels are way faster and IPS panels have even better viewing angles and better color accuracy so it obviously depends on the intendent usage but there is nothing wrong with going high end VA.

[Zat0ichi]

As long as you're not a 120fps twitch shooter player VA is solid.

Not as good as IPS with less of the draw backs of TN.

 

I went VA as I wanted 1440p on a budget (omen32 and the nvidia free sync thing was a bonus)

 

I value image quality over response times so I lean towards IPS and as you're paying mega bucks the IPS panel you get for that money will be wicked.

 

[Rdpruitt]

9 hours ago, jstudrawa said:

In case you missed the other posts, VA is very good.  They've come a very long way from when they first came out.  They're great gaming panels, and that monitor is nice.

 

I'd wait til you can hit even triple digits in 4k before paying that tho.

Ok thanks. I did read the other posts, but a lot of them seemed to disagree on the quality of VA