Intel 4790k vs 8700K

[Holmes2468]

On 6/18/2018 at 5:14 PM, O9B0666 said:

M.2 can be wayyyy faster... Plus less wires for a cleaner look. 

How do you like your 8700k?

 

So guys, would it be a good idea to switch to the newer Ryzen 2700x from my current Intel then? 

 

Just wondering. 

[r34lj4k3]

4 hours ago, Holmes2468 said:

So guys, would it be a good idea to switch to the newer Ryzen 2700x from my current Intel then? 

 

Just wondering. 

Nope, worse than the 8700k even for gaming. That other guy telling you not to get an nvme drive is also dead wrong about the speeds. Lastly, gaming seems to really like the high clock speeds on a cpu and yours is up there. I'd wait another gen to upgrade. Have a little patience! It will be worth it. If you have money to burn now, maybe look at getting into liquid cooling or something? Everything but the cpu block will carry over (and sometimes even that will) and it will give you a good project to work on and some meaningful performance gains with your current hardware.

just a suggestion.

[d3adc3II]

2 hours ago, r34lj4k3 said:

Nope, worse than the 8700k even for gaming. That other guy telling you not to get an nvme drive is also dead wrong about the speeds. Lastly, gaming seems to really like the high clock speeds on a cpu and yours is up there. I'd wait another gen to upgrade. Have a little patience! It will be worth it. If you have money to burn now, maybe look at getting into liquid cooling or something? Everything but the cpu block will carry over (and sometimes even that will) and it will give you a good project to work on and some meaningful performance gains with your current hardware.

just a suggestion.

I waited for 6 years before upgraded to Coffee lake and it's so worth it ( upgrade from my old 2600k sandy bridge).

Because:

- NVME SSD: even though you cant notice any speed diff, changing to nvme from ssd got its own reason. There is little diff in price, but you reduce 2 cables, which is good for clean setup.

- my 2600k cant handle modern games anymore ( I'm talking about 4k, 144hz )

- I sold my old setup and recover 1/3 of the cost for coffee lake . It's pretty good deal for 6 years old rig

 

I'd say just go for it. You should not regret  because 5 years usage time is long enough. Time to move on with either AMD/Intel

[r34lj4k3]

9 minutes ago, d3adc3II said:

I waited for 6 years before upgraded to Coffee lake and it's so worth it ( upgrade from my old 2600k sandy bridge).

Because:

- NVME SSD: even though you cant notice any speed diff, changing to nvme from ssd got its own reason. There is little diff in price, but you reduce 2 cables, which is good for clean setup.

- my 2600k cant handle modern games anymore ( I'm talking about 4k, 144hz )

- I sold my old setup and recover 1/3 of the cost for coffee lake . It's pretty good deal for 6 years old rig

 

I'd say just go for it. You should not regret  because 5 years usage time is long enough. Time to move on with either AMD/Intel

You see that your situation and his are different, right?

 

1. He has a 4790k at good speed and you had a 2600k. 

2. You should definitely notice a speed improvement with NVME drives, from http://www.velocitymicro.com/blog/nvme-vs-m-2-vs-sata-whats-the-difference/ :

 

"How does NVMe speed compare to SATA?

Modern motherboards use SATA III which maxes out at a throughput of 600MB/s (or 300MB/s for SATA II, in which case, it’s time to upgrade). Via that connection, most SSDs will provide Read/Write speeds in the neighborhood of 530/500 MB/s. For comparison, a 7200 RPM SATA drive manages around 100MB/s depending on age, condition, and level of fragmentation. NVMe drives, on the other hand, provide write speeds as high as 3500MB/s. That’s 7x over SATA SSDs!"

 

3. His processor will only now start to bottleneck modern graphics cards.

4. Presumably selling his old stuff is still an option when the new Intel processors are released.

[O9B0666]

10 hours ago, Holmes2468 said:

How do you like your 8700k?

I like it. It ran hot for awhile, i got it delid, and used quality LM and t paste on it, cheap stuff did nothing for temps, but after that its running coool. I came from a i5-4440...

Dont be persuaded into AMD if you like intel stay with intel. I wont say upgrade now or to gen 9, but gen 9 is supposed to be just a coffee lake refresh in setptember. either gen you go with you'll be happy. 
http://cpu.userbenchmark.com/Compare/Intel-Core-i7-8700K-vs-AMD-Ryzen-7-2700X/3937vs3958
http://cpu.userbenchmark.com/Compare/Intel-Core-i5-8600K-vs-AMD-Ryzen-7-2700X/3941vs3958

check out this too. At the end of the day amd is a lil better then intel at workstation stuff, if thats your main thing to do with a computer, consider amd, but at everything else intel dominates, at least for now, amd has improved alot recently. 

[Holmes2468]

I ended up just upgrading the cooler to a 280mm radiator. 

 

[d3adc3II]

18 hours ago, r34lj4k3 said:

You see that your situation and his are different, right?

 

1. He has a 4790k at good speed and you had a 2600k. 

2. You should definitely notice a speed improvement with NVME drives, from http://www.velocitymicro.com/blog/nvme-vs-m-2-vs-sata-whats-the-difference/ :

 

"How does NVMe speed compare to SATA?

Modern motherboards use SATA III which maxes out at a throughput of 600MB/s (or 300MB/s for SATA II, in which case, it’s time to upgrade). Via that connection, most SSDs will provide Read/Write speeds in the neighborhood of 530/500 MB/s. For comparison, a 7200 RPM SATA drive manages around 100MB/s depending on age, condition, and level of fragmentation. NVMe drives, on the other hand, provide write speeds as high as 3500MB/s. That’s 7x over SATA SSDs!"

 

3. His processor will only now start to bottleneck modern graphics cards.

4. Presumably selling his old stuff is still an option when the new Intel processors are released.

1. I think 2600k and 4790k has ~ 10% diff in performance. OT do play game on 3440x1440 with gtx1080 and I know what game will give him headache.

 

Escape from Tarkov: probably ~ 40 fps. This is the x factor made me upgrade my rig

Battlefield 1: he will suffer from stuttering due to less core

 

2. I changed from samsung 840 to samsung 960 , hmm for real life tasks , I dun notice much diff actually lol

[Holmes2468]

2 hours ago, d3adc3II said:

1. I think 2600k and 4790k has ~ 10% diff in performance. OT do play game on 3440x1440 with gtx1080 and I know what game will give him headache.

 

Escape from Tarkov: probably ~ 40 fps. This is the x factor made me upgrade my rig

Battlefield 1: he will suffer from stuttering due to less core

 

2. I changed from samsung 840 to samsung 960 , hmm for real life tasks , I dun notice much diff actually lol

I do use my computer for some cad work too

[r34lj4k3]

On 6/19/2018 at 5:54 PM, d3adc3II said:

1. I think 2600k and 4790k has ~ 10% diff in performance. OT do play game on 3440x1440 with gtx1080 and I know what game will give him headache.

 

Escape from Tarkov: probably ~ 40 fps. This is the x factor made me upgrade my rig

Battlefield 1: he will suffer from stuttering due to less core

 

2. I changed from samsung 840 to samsung 960 , hmm for real life tasks , I dun notice much diff actually lol

1. A 4790k is already a quad core that goes to 4.4ghz at stock and is over 3 years newer than a 2600k. Most games don't go beyond that and the speed should be sufficient. I game at 3440x1440 (but I have two 1080tis) and was not experiencing any issues with my old 3930k...I just had an ssd die and instead of replacing it with old tech I decided to upgrade the whole rig.

 

2. Depends on what you do with it, I guess. Nevertheless, the nvme drives are much faster.

[d3adc3II]

6 minutes ago, r34lj4k3 said:

1. A 4790k is already a quad core that goes to 4.4ghz at stock and is over 3 years newer than a 2600k. Most games don't go beyond that and the speed should be sufficient. I game at 3440x1440 (but I have two 1080tis) and was not experiencing any issues with my old 3930k...I just had an ssd die and instead of replacing it with old tech I decided to upgrade the whole rig.

 

2. Depends on what you do with it, I guess. Nevertheless, the nvme drives are much faster.

Im currently running 3440x1440 with 8600k@5GHz , gtx 1080 and if you ask me if i am satisfied with game perf , the answer is No, not really, even though it's a good rig for games.

 

Probably i will upgrade to 8700k, and wait for 1180. 

[Holmes2468]

So, my 4790k is having temp issues now. It's not overclocking and the temp at idel keeps moving up slowly and the performance is taking a nose dive. I mean, I can't even launch a title from steam anymore without it crashing. 

[r34lj4k3]

21 hours ago, d3adc3II said:

Im currently running 3440x1440 with 8600k@5GHz , gtx 1080 and if you ask me if i am satisfied with game perf , the answer is No, not really, even though it's a good rig for games.

 

Probably i will upgrade to 8700k, and wait for 1180. 

You will not see a difference between those two processors. Only the gpu would make any sense to upgrade. I'll probably sell my 1080tis and get a pair of 1180s when they come out as I'm not really happy with my performance either, but especially in games that don't use sli.

[O9B0666]

you'd notice a difference from 4 generations ago, atleast i have from a 4th gen

[jones177]

I upgraded my i7 2600k with a i7 8700k that was in my 3440X1440 60hz, GTX 1080 rig. Both CPUs can maintain 60fps on vanilla games with that setup. The difference is the smoothness & the lows.

The biggest difference was in my heavily modded games like Fallout 4. Old saves that were unplayable with pauses & stutter became playable again.  

 

The i7 8700k is so good that I upgraded my 4k rig that had a i7 6700k paired with a GTX 1080 ti. I got the i7 8086K that is basically a binned i7 8700k. That upgrade wasn't so dramatic. After using the i7 8700k I could no longer enjoy playing with the i7 6700k. It had to go.

 

I don't recommend getting a i7 8086K over a i7 8700k if you play vanilla games at 100hz or less. I got it for my old single core modded games like Flight Simulator X. 

 

I use 1tb SATA SSDs on both rigs. All the major slowdowns that I see & feel on my modded games are I/O. My next upgrade will be NVMe.  

 

Later  

[Holmes2468]

7 hours ago, jones177 said:

I upgraded my i7 2600k with a i7 8700k that was in my 3440X1440 60hz, GTX 1080 rig. Both CPUs can maintain 60fps on vanilla games with that setup. The difference is the smoothness & the lows.

The biggest difference was in my heavily modded games like Fallout 4. Old saves that were unplayable with pauses & stutter became playable again.  

 

The i7 8700k is so good that I upgraded my 4k rig that had a i7 6700k paired with a GTX 1080 ti. I got the i7 8086K that is basically a binned i7 8700k. That upgrade wasn't so dramatic. After using the i7 8700k I could no longer enjoy playing with the i7 6700k. It had to go.

 

I don't recommend getting a i7 8086K over a i7 8700k if you play vanilla games at 100hz or less. I got it for my old single core modded games like Flight Simulator X. 

 

I use 1tb SATA SSDs on both rigs. All the major slowdowns that I see & feel on my modded games are I/O. My next upgrade will be NVMe.  

 

Later  

I would like to see Linus do another Intel octane video and using the Octane module with a high speed M.2 NVme drive. I've been curious on what would happen. 

[SomeTeenThatLovesComputers]

On ‎6‎/‎17‎/‎2018 at 8:32 PM, Holmes2468 said:

I know a lot of people are stating its not worth it and wait for the next gen cpu from intel (example Sky and Kaby). 

 

I was wondering if upgrading form the intel 4790k to the intel 8700 would be worth it? Especially when I can upgrade for about $600 to $800 for the new MB, RAM and i7. I normally game on a 3440x1440 monitor and my gpu is a gtx 1080. 

https://www.newegg.com/Product/ComboBundleDetails.aspx?ItemList=Combo.3770827

I still have my 4790k and it works great with all games! I noticed its a little slower than it was in 2016 so I think im wearing it down a little. In your case I would probably wait a year or 2 before getting a new CPU. But switching to a new processor youll have to get a new motherboard, new DDR4 memory, and a new copy of Windows 10. A bit pricey unless you have the money

[Holmes2468]

Funny story. I kinda went and bought a 8700k and mb

[O9B0666]

5 hours ago, Holmes2468 said:

I would like to see Linus do another Intel octane video and using the Octane module with a high speed M.2 NVme drive. I've been curious on what would happen. 

I do too tbh but a nvme like the Evo 970 I don't think you'd notice a difference but I'm curious too. I'm getting a optane drive very soon Regardless I'll post about it since he prolly won't do one. 

 

2 hours ago, SomeTeenThatLovesComputers said:

 a new copy of Windows 10. A bit pricey unless you have the money

No you don't. 

Spoiler

 

 

[Holmes2468]

Is there a company out there that delids the Intel 8700k and replace the thermal paste with a better paste? 

 

 

JW, I don't plan overclocking my 8700k manually.

 

As for a new copy of windows, I own a full copy of windows on a USB stick. So I can install it in any MB that I get back for my computer. The OEM version is only good for one computer. 

 

Now I may actually be buying a new copy of Windows just because I will be selling my old computer to my Brother's friend for $550 USD. It's a complete system and just needs a graphics card. 

[r34lj4k3]

10 hours ago, Holmes2468 said:

Is there a company out there that delids the Intel 8700k and replace the thermal paste with a better paste? 

 

 

JW, I don't plan overclocking my 8700k manually.

Siliconlottery.com does this. I sent my 7900x to them and they seem to have done a fantastic job. They cover the SMDs in liquid electrical tape and silicon the IHS back on as well. 4.8ghz 1.22v and 34C, and that's a 45% OC btw. You also get a 1yr warranty on their work. I took pictures and wrote down my processor's ID tags and got back the exact one I sent.

[Holmes2468]

18 hours ago, r34lj4k3 said:

Siliconlottery.com does this. I sent my 7900x to them and they seem to have done a fantastic job. They cover the SMDs in liquid electrical tape and silicon the IHS back on as well. 4.8ghz 1.22v and 34C, and that's a 45% OC btw. You also get a 1yr warranty on their work. I took pictures and wrote down my processor's ID tags and got back the exact one I sent.

Would $65usd be worth having them to remove the OEM thermal paste and install a better product if I don't plan on overclocking?

[r34lj4k3]

9 hours ago, Holmes2468 said:

Would $65usd be worth having them to remove the OEM thermal paste and install a better product if I don't plan on overclocking?

Nope, if you're not going to OC, there is no point to having your processor delidded.

[Holmes2468]

The only thing I may do is have the MB lock all cores at 4.7ghz. I'm sure the Corsair H110i can handle the temp. 

[O9B0666]

my h110iv2 handles 8700k at 5.2 youll be fine

[r34lj4k3]

16 hours ago, Holmes2468 said:

The only thing I may do is have the MB lock all cores at 4.7ghz. I'm sure the Corsair H110i can handle the temp. 

This will be fine, but the bottleneck is the rate the TIM under the IHS can transfer heat to the cooling solution, not your cooler itself. I thought you should know, in case the numbers you're seeing aren't what you expected, it's not your cooler's fault.