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6 minutes ago, Sin Stalker said:

 

How do I find out which motherboards can flash bios without cpu?

 

only Asus Crosshair 6 and 7 can do this.

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I have a 2700x and I need to buy a new MOBO.

 

Can you buy an x370 motherboard, slap the 2700x in and get to the BIOS for updating it? Or will this only work with a first gen Ryzen cpu in the socket?

 

 

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Some boards might have methods for flashing the BIOS without a CPU installed, but most do not. You'd need a Ryzen 1 CPU or A-series APU. 

 

Just ask the retailer to flash the BIOS for you before shipping it out.

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No. Unless the board specifically states it supports 2nd gen Ryzen, it will not work and you will not be able to flash the BIOS without a working CPU in the board. 

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Only with certain Mobos that support flashing without CPU. 

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4 minutes ago, NelizMastr said:

Some boards might have methods for flashing the BIOS without a CPU installed, but most do not. You'd need a Ryzen 1 CPU or A-series APU. 

 

Just ask the retailer to flash the BIOS for you before shipping it out.

 

1 minute ago, GoldenLag said:

Only with certain Mobos that support flashing without CPU. 

How do I find out which motherboards can flash bios without cpu?

 

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5 minutes ago, Sin Stalker said:

 

How do I find out which motherboards can flash bios without cpu?

 

Check the various board's spec sheets. If it isn't listed, it's not supported. Be advised that this feature is absent on  all <$200 boards typically.

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6 minutes ago, Sin Stalker said:

 

How do I find out which motherboards can flash bios without cpu?

 

only Asus Crosshair 6 and 7 can do this.

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Aorus AX370 gaming 5 i believe supports this.

Gigabyte has whats Called q-flash. MSI and ASUS has similar features. But im uncertain on what boards

 

Shure you dont want to pick up a ASrock X470 fatality board? They dont cost too much and they look nice woth all the features of X470

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26 minutes ago, NelizMastr said:

Check the various board's spec sheets. If it isn't listed, it's not supported. Be advised that this feature is absent on  all <$200 boards typically.

But what would it be called in the spec sheet?

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26 minutes ago, GoldenLag said:

Aorus AX370 gaming 5 i believe supports this.

Gigabyte has whats Called q-flash. MSI and ASUS has similar features. But im uncertain on what boards

 

Shure you dont want to pick up a ASrock X470 fatality board? They dont cost too much and they look nice woth all the features of X470

No, I am not sure. I am considering everything at this point.

So far I am leaning more towards the MSI x470 Gaming Pro Carbon as I have yet to find a negative review for it.

I'd be interested in the AX370 Gaming 5 if I can plunk a 2700x in. I need lots of USB ports on the back. How do I verify it has the q-flash and doesn't need the Ryzen first gen in it?



 

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8 minutes ago, GoldenLag said:

@Sin Stalker you can plonk a 2700x in the Aorus board and do a bios flash.

 

See speck sheet here: https://www.gigabyte.com/us/Motherboard/GA-AX370-Gaming-5-rev-10#sp

 

Marked with Q-flash near the bottom pf the spec sheet

I just read a Tom's hardware answer that says q-flash can't but q-flash plus can. I only see q-flash in spec sheets, none with plus 

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15 minutes ago, Sin Stalker said:

I just read a Tom's hardware answer that says q-flash can't but q-flash plus can. I only see q-flash in spec sheets, none with plus 

Ah, i guess i was misstaken. I thought q-flash did the same at the plus........

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58 minutes ago, GoldenLag said:

Ah, i guess i was misstaken. I thought q-flash did the same at the plus........

No problem. Thanks for trying. You at least help me find terms I could then google and read more about.

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7 hours ago, NelizMastr said:

Some boards might have methods for flashing the BIOS without a CPU installed, but most do not. You'd need a Ryzen 1 CPU or A-series APU. 

 

Just ask the retailer to flash the BIOS for you before shipping it out.

 

7 hours ago, Skiiwee29 said:

No. Unless the board specifically states it supports 2nd gen Ryzen, it will not work and you will not be able to flash the BIOS without a working CPU in the board. 

 

7 hours ago, GoldenLag said:

Only with certain Mobos that support flashing without CPU. 

 

7 hours ago, Jurrunio said:

only Asus Crosshair 6 and 7 can do this.


So I found this...

https://rog.asus.com/technology/republic-of-gamers-motherboard-innovations/usb-bios-flashback/

And I found this motherboard.
https://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813132963&ignorebbr=1

 

Under Specifications it has Rear Panel Ports "

USB 1.1/2.0
4 x USB 2.0 (one port can be switched to USB BIOS Flashback)"

 

Does anyone know if this is enabled by default or if I have to first go into the BIOS to enable it?

 

 

 
 
 
 
 
 
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3 hours ago, Sin Stalker said:

Does anyone know if this is enabled by default or if I have to first go into the BIOS to enable it?

This function cant be turned off at all. Plug in the USB drive with the new extracted BIOS, plug in the 24pin ATX power connector, and press the BIOS update button at the back for a couple of seconds. If it lights up, it's updating the BIOS.

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