General Intel HEDT Xeon/i7 Discussion

[Zando_]

1 minute ago, bomerr said:

4.4ghz is kinda the sweatspot for these chips in terms of both ability to OC and powerusage

 

https://www.3dmark.com/compare/spy/10249139/spy/10248844#

 

this is my results 4.4 vs 4.7. 6% increase in performance but I have to raise voltage from 1.28 to 1.35.

 

https://siliconlottery.com/pages/statistics

 

here are the stats. only top 10% will be able to hit 4.7 at 1.35v. 

 

Are those excluding j-bins? It's not uncommon at all for them to hit above 4.5v at quite low voltages. IDK how widespread they are, but there always seem to be a few floating around on eBay so they can't be that uncommon. Like I said in the last post, mine is pretty average for a j-bin, and it does 4.5 at 1.2v, 4.7 at 1.3v. 

IDK how the others OC, my non-j-bin 5960X is a dead one I bought cheap, untested, that came from an also untested Rampage V (aka the boards that decided stupid vCores were a good idea and toasted CPUs lol). 

My 5820K needs 1.32v to hit 4.5Ghz stable though, and 1.2v for 4.2. So significantly worse even though it has less cores to deal with. 

That said, unless you're playing at high refresh rates or massively CPU intensive titles, the difference between 4.2 and 4.5 on a 5820K isn't even noticeable, but the massively lower temps are. I'd wager it's the same on the 5960X at 4.5 vs 4.7, but I wanted the highest reasonable clock (4.8 would be basically no change since it's a paltry 100Mhz gain, and would need more voltage) since it's my big rig. 

[GillyMoMo]

58 minutes ago, toasty99 said:

Anyone having luck pushing early 1660v3/5960x chips past 4.5ghz? 

 

I picked up a QS 1660v3 with a bad memory channel (so only a Max of 4 ram sticks but I won't use more anyways) and a Gigabyte X99 Phoenix SLI motherboard to replace my Ryzen 1600. 

 

I've got it running 4.52 GHz all core and 4.6 something up to quad core. However it's weird because I had to set the multiplier to 44 and baseclock overclock to 4.52. 45 multiplier with normal baseclock wasn't really stable. It's also taking 1.392 voltage which is quite a bit but my h100i can handle that just barely. Any ideas/suggestions to get a bit higher or run less voltage and remain stable? 

 

Also, anyone have any luck with ram like this? https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.newegg.com/amp/g-skill-16gb-288-pin-ddr4-sdram/p/N82E16820232731

I've tried it with and without XMP and can't even get ddr4 2666 to boot. Best I've gotten is ddr4 2400.

I happen to have two of these and a 5820K. My 1660v3s are clocked at 4.2Ghz at 1.29v stable. I did get to 4.5ghz but it was at a voltage I wasn't good with (1.37) and high idle temps. I am also running DDR4 2666 on mine. It can be done but it's a matter of your use case. I have mine with a 1080Ti and plays the games I play just fine. The other has a 1070 and I use it to stream. If you'd like more information I'd be happy to assist.

[bomerr]

8 minutes ago, GillyMoMo said:

I happen to have two of these and a 5820K. My 1660v3s are clocked at 4.2Ghz at 1.29v stable. I did get to 4.5ghz but it was at a voltage I wasn't good with (1.37) and high idle temps. I am also running DDR4 2666 on mine. It can be done but it's a matter of your use case. I have mine with a 1080Ti and plays the games I play just fine. The other has a 1070 and I use it to stream. If you'd like more information I'd be happy to assist.

how does the 4790K compare to the 5960x today with the 1080 ti? bottleneck?

[Zando_]

4 minutes ago, bomerr said:

how does the 4790K compare to the 5960x today with the 1080 ti? bottleneck?

Now that would be interesting to see, considering the 5960X is basically double the CPU. 

[GillyMoMo]

54 minutes ago, Zando Bob said:

Now that would be interesting to see, considering the 5960X is basically double the CPU. 

I can run that test in a few weeks if one would like. I have the MSI 1080Ti variant.

[Zando_]

1 minute ago, GillyMoMo said:

I can run that test in a few weeks if one would like. I have the MSI 1080Ti variant.

Gaming X? I had one of those for a while, miss it. With the current state of drivers for my Radeon VII, I'd have been better off keeping the Nvidia card . 

[Troika]

6 hours ago, bomerr said:

test time spy. 

I don't have a key for time spy unfortunately. :c

[Troika]

3 hours ago, Skunch said:

Word up! So glad to see X58 users! I'm a PC builder myself, but I have never overclocked out of fear of bricking my stuff. I'd love to learn though, and this thread is extremely helpful! Here's my system specs:

 

i7 980X Stock frequency

Cooler Master Hyper 212 Evo

Asus Rampage III Formula

24GB Kingston HyperX Black 1866

GTX 970

Samsung 950 PRO NVMe 512GB

2TB WD Green

Win 10 Pro x64

700w Thermaltake PSU

Ooo~ I'm jelly, you have a 980X!

[Zando_]

5 minutes ago, Troika said:

I don't have a key for time spy unfortunately. :c

Oof.  Is basic Time Spy not free? I thought Firestrike/Time Spy were, it was the Extreme versions that were paid.

Also hmmmm perhaps I'll get my X58 rig up and running this weekend and see if I can get back into benching.

[toasty99]

3 hours ago, Zando Bob said:

Eeesh that's a high voltage for daily. What's the input voltage? Safe maxes for a 5960X according to a more experienced friend is 2.1v input voltage, 1.35v vCore. Lotta people forget about input voltage and up the vCore way too much. 

I run around 1.95v Input, 1.3v vCore, 1.1v Ring, for 4.7/3.7 core/ring clocks. That's a j-bin 5960X though (and it hits a hard wall at anything above 4.8 all core, 4.9 with HT off, so among j-bins it's not amazing). 

The input voltage is at 2.0. Guess mine is just not a very good overclocker. 

 

Also, for me running a high voltage is something I'm willing to chance because the CPU was only $112. Plus one of the games I play a lot iRacing tends to really like single threaded performance so an extra 100-200 MHz helps quite a bit there. 

[Crunchy Dragon]

2 hours ago, bomerr said:

how does the 4790K compare to the 5960x today with the 1080 ti? bottleneck?

I'd imagine they'd be within 10-15% of each other singlethreaded, with the 5960X pulling maybe closer to 50% multithreaded.

 

Edit: obviously not accounting for overclocks.

[Skunch]

15 hours ago, Zando Bob said:

Welcome to the club! And ooh nice mobo, my first X58 board was an R3F. Still the best BIOS I've ever had the pleasure of using, pushed my X5675 to 4.4-4.5Ghz easily. 

As for bricking your stuff, 32nm chips can easily swallow 1.45v for extended periods, I'd stick around 1.4v for a daily on air though, especially if it's your only rig. I've seen stuff saying the 45nm parts can take 1.5v daily, haven't tested that though, and you'd need some beefy cooling for those suckers. But unless you push really, really crazy voltages, these chips are quite hard to kill. 

Also noice on the RAM, I have a 24GB HyperX Red kit, stuff is gorgeous

 

I got that board for free! I started with a gigabyte X58A-UD3R and an i7 930 I got for trading an agp HIS Radeon HD4670 1GB. Then I foolishly bought a UD7 and I paid waaaaaaaaaaaaay too much for it.

 

This board I'm using right now is supposed to be "fried"

 

11 hours ago, Troika said:

Ooo~ I'm jelly, you have a 980X!

I've also got an X5690 plugged into the UD7 instead of my main system, as xeons  on X58 appear to lock the memory frequency at 1333mhz on the rampage, and straight up won't boot on the UD7, I have to put in generic 1333 dimms.

[Zando_]

6 hours ago, Skunch said:

I've also got an X5690 plugged into the UD7 instead of my main system, as xeons  on X58 appear to lock the memory frequency at 1333mhz on the rampage, and straight up won't boot on the UD7, I have to put in generic 1333 dimms.

Maybe that's why the board was supposed to be dead? IIRC my Rampage board ran RAM around 1600-1800Mhz fine with an X5675. 

[bomerr]

On 1/20/2020 at 6:18 AM, the pudding said:

yeah honestly these are still really solid cpus, if only for a short period of time you could pump in around 1.55v and really pump up the clocks (don't do this for a long period of time though) in my best vega 56 score i ever managed on X58 I was running 4.8GHz 1.52v but you don't want to be running that often or for a long time 

https://www.3dmark.com/fs/20193056 (though I'm sitting at nearly 20k on a flashed vega 56 and 4930K now) 

https://www.3dmark.com/fs/21596841

 

4.7ghz 1.36v. 

[Troika]

On 1/20/2020 at 8:18 AM, the pudding said:

yeah honestly these are still really solid cpus, if only for a short period of time you could pump in around 1.55v and really pump up the clocks (don't do this for a long period of time though) in my best vega 56 score i ever managed on X58 I was running 4.8GHz 1.52v but you don't want to be running that often or for a long time 

https://www.3dmark.com/fs/20193056 (though I'm sitting at nearly 20k on a flashed vega 56 and 4930K now) 

Interesting how your flashed Vega 56 only performs about 6k points better than my bone stock Fury X. I could probably get a few hundred more points out of Fury with a overclock but as many people, inlcuding Gamer's Nexus, hqve stated, the Fury series took very poorly to overclocking and you could forget about even touching the HBM. That said, its still a very good card for 1080p and a respectable one for 2k gaming.I bet it could even do some low end 4k stuff but I don't have a display for that so I can't confirm.

[GrockleTD]

@Crunchy Dragon any luck?

[Crunchy Dragon]

4 minutes ago, GrockleTD said:

@Crunchy Dragon any luck?

I haven't yet decided I wanna rip the PSU out of my main rig to test, but the socket looks fine to me.

[Skunch]

2 hours ago, Zando Bob said:

Maybe that's why the board was supposed to be dead? IIRC my Rampage board ran RAM around 1600-1800Mhz fine with an X5675. 

 

From what I read online, x58 xeons are designed that way, ark.intel says the x5675 and x5690  support memory speeds of 800/1066/1333, but I can change the memory speed by bumping up the bclk. Though, I cant run stock with with my 1866 dimms, the Rampage board pushes them down to 1333. Oh well! I've got enough spare parts so this isnt really an issue for me, it's just an odd quirk (and/or feature???) of the platform.

 

My biggest issue is that I've been dealing with sudden shutdowns during gaming. Just flat out shutdowns with no info from event viewer other than an unexpected shurdown. It seems like something may have been overheating, so I bolted some new old stock Pentium 2 fans onto the PCH and QPI chips. I even fabbed a ghetto shroud for so the fan would blow air properly. I am both pround and disgusted with my work lol, I'm not sure how long masking tape is gonna last on a hot heatsink.

[Zando_]

25 minutes ago, Skunch said:

 

From what I read online, x58 xeons are designed that way, ark.intel says the x5675 and x5690  support memory speeds of 800/1066/1333, but I can change the memory speed by bumping up the bclk. Though, I cant run stock with with my 1866 dimms, the Rampage board pushes them down to 1333. Oh well! I've got enough spare parts so this isnt really an issue for me, it's just an odd quirk (and/or feature???) of the platform.

 

My biggest issue is that I've been dealing with sudden shutdowns during gaming. Just flat out shutdowns with no info from event viewer other than an unexpected shurdown. It seems like something may have been overheating, so I bolted some new old stock Pentium 2 fans onto the PCH and QPI chips. I even fabbed a ghetto shroud for so the fan would blow air properly. I am both pround and disgusted with my work lol, I'm not sure how long masking tape is gonna last on a hot heatsink.

To be fair I have usually ran the RAM OCed with a CPU OC as well, which ups the BLCK. Or with an i7, but those support higher memory speeds AFAIK. Are you running your Xeons stock for some reason? 

And hmmmmmm... if you're running them stock, your board shouldn't be overheating. If it's under an OC then yeah, the northbridge will get hella hot. My Classified boards actually have a heatsink taller than the i7 920 stock cooler (including fan) to deal with this lol. 

[Crunchy Dragon]

Gonna drop this one again:

 

At this point in time, the CPU socket looks to be fully straightened, but I can't make this board work with my Xeon E5503. My best guess at the moment is it doesn't work with Nehalem chips. Should still work with all the usual Core i7s(920, 940, so forth). Unfortunately don't have one on-hand to properly test with.

[Intelfreak]

On ‎1‎/‎20‎/‎2020 at 6:28 PM, Skunch said:

Word up! So glad to see X58 users! I'm a PC builder myself, but I have never overclocked out of fear of bricking my stuff. I'd love to learn though, and this thread is extremely helpful! Here's my system specs:

 

i7 980X Stock frequency

Cooler Master Hyper 212 Evo

Asus Rampage III Formula

24GB Kingston HyperX Black 1866

GTX 970

Samsung 950 PRO NVMe 512GB

2TB WD Green

Win 10 Pro x64

700w Thermaltake PSU

Dont be afraid of punishing your I7 980X, they can take a pretty good beating. Infact X58 boards and CPU a pretty hard to kill as long you stay away from high voltage and temps.

 

I have a I7 980X as well and i have had it oc to 4.4 GHz at 1.43 volts the past three years and even for benchmark up to 4.75 Ghz at 1.55 volts a cold winter day off cause and despeite it is still going strong. All throw before you begin to OC your chip, replace that Cooler Master Hyper 212 Evo with a better cooler. Evo 212 is not gear to handle the heat out put a I7 980X can put out at 4.4 GHz. I am using a Noctua NH-D14 to keep my max core temp at 75-77 degress Celsious under full load.

 

Here is my bios settings for 4.4 GHz, uncore set to 3600 MHz. These voltage and setting are just a guide as your cpu might need higher voltage or has better silicone than my own so it can run with lower voltage as you do want if possible. lower voltage decrease heat out put, stress on the CPU´s transistors and will also mean a lower watt usage with will benefit your power bill. Note: the settings i am posting here is using the unlocked multiplier, you can overclock your I7 980X by BLCK as well if you prefer that, but that will need you to ajust more voltage than those i have a justed in bios now.

 

https://imgur.com/a/bBjw4wA

 

I see you are also a Samsung PRO 950 user on X58 as i am. excellent, welcome to the club.

 

My system spec.

Core i7 980X @ 4.42 GHz

Noctua NH-D14 CPU 

ASUS P6X58D Premium

12 GB DDR3 ram Corsair 1600 MHz triple channel (6 x 2 GB)

Samsung 950 PRO 256 GB M.2 NVMe SSD

CRUCIAL MX300 2 TB sata 

SSD WD RED 4 TB

WD AV-GP 2 TB

EVGA GeForce GTX 1080 Ti SC2 GAMING

 

Here are a few benchmark and game test from my own system. CPU oc to 4.4 GHz or around 4.7 GHz.

https://imgur.com/a/uHjbbMg

 

For those interested. Benchmark from my old I7 920 based system i had before I7 980X.

https://imgur.com/a/WqD1iHK

[GrockleTD]

6 minutes ago, Crunchy Dragon said:

Gonna drop this one again:

 

At this point in time, the CPU socket looks to be fully straightened, but I can't make this board work with my Xeon E5503. My best guess at the moment is it doesn't work with Nehalem chips. Should still work with all the usual Core i7s(920, 940, so forth). Unfortunately don't have one on-hand to properly test with.

well, it might still be an improvement over my MSI board, so how much would you want for it?

[Crunchy Dragon]

1 minute ago, GrockleTD said:

well, it might still be an improvement over my MSI board, so how much would you want for it?

Probably no higher than 75 USD. I'll throw in a stick of 1GB Samsung DDR3 as well.

[GrockleTD]

17 minutes ago, Crunchy Dragon said:

Probably no higher than 75 USD. I'll throw in a stick of 1GB Samsung DDR3 as well.

sounds good, especially if that includes shipping. going to see if i can get this pP6X58D first if its all the same to you

[Crunchy Dragon]

1 minute ago, GrockleTD said:

sounds good, especially if that includes shipping. going to see if i can get this pP6X58D first if its all the same to you

No worries, I'm not in a rush.

 

Edit: I posted this somewhere else just so you're aware, but I don't know if anybody there will bite.