How much life left on the LGA 1151 socket?

[killcomic]

I'm in the market for a new CPU.

Although I do some content creation, it's not really CPU intensive. I'll be using it for mostly gaming (1080p).

 

I know that for gaming the 7700K is a no brainer. It's right within my budget and delivers excellent gaming performance, however, there's one thing that makes me worried. How much life does the LGA 1151 socket have left?

Although Ryzen falls behind in performance, the AM4 socket is brand new, so I would assume it would support at least a couple of new generation AMD CPUs in the future.

I'd hate to buy a 7700K + a 1151 mobo only to have Intel ditch it for a new socket design for future CPUs.

What do you guys think?

[DocSwag]

A fair amount, it should stay relevant until cannonlake (coffee lake and cannonlake should use lga 1151 as well, though I'm not sure if there will be desktop coffee lake parts), or until beginning of 2018 time.

[PenPoint]

Just to answer the title : about a year and a half.

[Tieox]

Interesting, aiming winter this year to upgrade to a Z series mobo after multiple comments on here with the 7700k and use the left over parts from my rig to make a new rig for my gf to replace her ivy bridge system.

 

 

[Johnathon]

they JUST introduced the 1151 in 2015. WTF Intel.

[Techstorm970]

4 minutes ago, Jorgen297 said:

The upcoming i5-7640K and i7-7740K processors will use a LGA 2066 socket. I'd say 1151 is scrapped when those launch.

 

source http://wccftech.com/intel-core-i7-7740k-core-i5-7640k-amd-ryzen/

Don't base advice on information from bad sources like WTFTech. 

[killcomic]

6 minutes ago, Jorgen297 said:

The upcoming i5-7640K and i7-7740K processors will use a LGA 2066 socket. I'd say 1151 is scrapped when those launch.

 

source http://wccftech.com/intel-core-i7-7740k-core-i5-7640k-amd-ryzen/

Oh balls.
Perhaps Ryzen would be the way to go.

I'm not planning on an upgrade for at least another 2 months... Hopefully Ryzen's gaming performance will improve by then (hope springs eternal).

[DarkBlade2117]

31 minutes ago, killcomic said:

 

 

15 minutes ago, Johnathon said:

they JUST introduced the 1151 in 2015. WTF Intel.

They always do this... Z87 and z97, Z68 and Z77 ect. Each socket usually has 2 generations of CPUs and it is scrapped.

I believe AMD is planning on doing the same thing. AM4 will have Ryzen, then Zen+ then they will move on.

You mentioned you are waiting 2 months, by then the R5 lineup will be released and likely (purely assumption) AMD delayed it because they knew of issues with the R7 lineup, with this it gives MOBO makers, Microsoft ect plenty of time to optimize it enough to likely catch up with the 7700k (though, still behind because of the slight IPC difference)

OP, if you don't have plans on upgrading for awhile.. AM4 may be the way to go.I say this because games will and have been slowly starting to utilize more cores recently, and this isn't another "Well people said this with Bulldozer", Intel killed their i3 lineup by adding hyper threading to the Pentium G4560, they need to increase core count on i3's to 4c/4t, i5s then need to be 4c/8t and i7s need to be at least 6c/12t. So something like the R5 1600 or 1600x may be in your best interest. Plus, Zen+ is CONFIRMED to be on the AM4 socket by AMD. I believe Zen+ is late 2018 or early 2019 which leaves you a pretty decent upgrade path in the future.

[Johnathon]

Well i think the G4560 is good enough to survive 4 years right? RIGHT?!

[Cracklingice]

There will likely be one more generation of CPUs on that socket due to the PAO cadence.  However, we cannot be 100% certain that the upcoming 6 core 12 thread i7 CPU or even that generation in general will work in Z170 or Z270 mobos.  It's likely but not yet guranteed.  Also Cannon and Coffee lake CPUs are the same generation.  One is desktop and the other is mobile.

[killcomic]

2 minutes ago, DarkBlade2117 said:

 

They always do this... Z87 and z97, Z68 and Z77 ect. Each socket usually has 2 generations of CPUs and it is scrapped.

I believe AMD is planning on doing the same thing. AM4 will have Ryzen, then Zen+ then they will move on.

You mentioned you are waiting 2 months, by then the R5 lineup will be released and likely (purely assumption) AMD delayed it because they knew of issues with the R7 lineup, with this it gives MOBO makers, Microsoft ect plenty of time to optimize it enough to likely catch up with the 7700k (though, still behind because of the slight IPC difference)

OP, if you don't have plans on upgrading for awhile.. AM4 may be the way to go.I say this because games will and have been slowly starting to utilize more cores recently, and this isn't another "Well people said this with Bulldozer", Intel killed their i3 lineup by adding hyper threading to the Pentium G4560, they need to increase core count on i3's to 4c/4t, i5s then need to be 4c/8t and i7s need to be at least 6c/12t. So something like the R5 1600 or 1600x may be in your best interest. Plus, Zen+ is CONFIRMED to be on the AM4 socket by AMD. I believe Zen+ is late 2018 or early 2019 which leaves you a pretty decent upgrade path in the future.

I just hope AMD and motherboard partners get their act together by then and sort out the memory limitations. Looks like Ryzen scales really well with faster RAM.

It'll be interesting to see what the 1600X brings to the table. May be cheap enough to leave some change for some water cooling.

[killcomic]

1 minute ago, Cracklingice said:

There will likely be one more generation of CPUs on that socket due to the PAO cadence.  However, we cannot be 100% certain that the upcoming 6 core 12 thread i7 CPU or even that generation in general will work in Z170 or Z270 mobos.  It's likely but not yet guranteed.  Also Cannon and Coffee lake CPUs are the same generation.  One is desktop and the other is mobile.

I'd bet the house that Intel will move to more cores to counter Ryzen and that would require a new socket.

Sigh... I always seem to upgrade at the worst possible time....

[Cracklingice]

3 minutes ago, DarkBlade2117 said:

 

They always do this... Z87 and z97, Z68 and Z77 ect. Each socket usually has 2 generations of CPUs and it is scrapped.

I believe AMD is planning on doing the same thing. AM4 will have Ryzen, then Zen+ then they will move on.

You mentioned you are waiting 2 months, by then the R5 lineup will be released and likely (purely assumption) AMD delayed it because they knew of issues with the R7 lineup, with this it gives MOBO makers, Microsoft ect plenty of time to optimize it enough to likely catch up with the 7700k (though, still behind because of the slight IPC difference)

OP, if you don't have plans on upgrading for awhile.. AM4 may be the way to go.I say this because games will and have been slowly starting to utilize more cores recently, and this isn't another "Well people said this with Bulldozer", Intel killed their i3 lineup by adding hyper threading to the Pentium G4560, they need to increase core count on i3's to 4c/4t, i5s then need to be 4c/8t and i7s need to be at least 6c/12t. So something like the R5 1600 or 1600x may be in your best interest. Plus, Zen+ is CONFIRMED to be on the AM4 socket by AMD. I believe Zen+ is late 2018 or early 2019 which leaves you a pretty decent upgrade path in the future.

That was back when they did tick tock.  They are not doing tick tock anymore.  They do it like like the PAO (process, architecture, optimization) now so the socket should have 3 generations on it in theory.  Also - AMD has confirmed the socket AM4 will last at least four years (likely 3 or 4 generations of chips).  Although I am not sure if the initial boards will handle all AM4 CPU and APU until the socket is replaced.

[Cracklingice]

1 minute ago, killcomic said:

I'd bet the house that Intel will move to more cores to counter Ryzen and that would require a new socket.

Sigh... I always seem to upgrade at the worst possible time....

I'm pretty sure 6 core cannon/coffee lake was planned from the very beginning of the socket.

[DarkBlade2117]

1 minute ago, Cracklingice said:

That was back when they did tick tock.  They are not doing tick tock anymore.  They do it like like the PAO (process, architecture, optimization) now so the socket should have 3 generations on it in theory.  Also - AMD has confirmed the socket AM4 will last at least four years (likely 3 or 4 generations of chips).  Although I am not sure if the initial boards will handle all AM4 CPU and APU until the socket is replaced.

 

2 minutes ago, killcomic said:

I'd bet the house that Intel will move to more cores to counter Ryzen and that would require a new socket.

Sigh... I always seem to upgrade at the worst possible time....

As @killcomicsaid, LGA1151 is likely not getting further CPUs. The next socket however will probably see 3 generations. This is because Intel can't just release another lineup of 2c/4t i3s. They'll honestly sell like shit as the already are compared to the G4560. I doubt they'll find a way to throw a 6c/12t CPU on Z270.

(Plus... I think it would be REALLY funny to see a Z370 board and X370 boards and Intel can't do B350 now LUL)

[Cracklingice]

1 hour ago, Jorgen297 said:

The upcoming i5-7640K and i7-7740K processors will use a LGA 2066 socket. I'd say 1151 is scrapped when those launch.

 

source http://wccftech.com/intel-core-i7-7740k-core-i5-7640k-amd-ryzen/

That's the new kabylake enthusiast platform.  The X99 replacement.  Also I was pretty sure the 7x40k was supposed to be a higher clock for consumer boards.  It makes absolutely zero sense that they would abandon their 7800 ect.  Actually now that I say that it makes more sense that they would not use 7800 because it's not really a 7800.  That will be the next generation high core count if they continue to have both the latest generation low core count and the usual one generation older but higher core count they're doing when they launch kaby and skylake x.  Heck they could abandon the consumer chipsets entirely and work solely with enthusiast chipsets or at least sockets for a while.

Also @DarkBlade2117, the pentium all the way up to the i7 all have the same number of pads on the bottom.  I don't think they'd really need more 'pins' to make a 6 core chip, but the motherboard chipset would probably need a bit of tweaks for it so that's why I'm not certain if the 6 core chips will work in older boards.  Could also be that z170 and z270 wouldn't have beefy enough VRMs for 6 cores.  Ultimately we'll find out in roughly a year.

[He_162]

First off, expect far better results from Ryzen soon when windows fixes a glitch causing it to think each thread is a core with it's own individual cache.

 

So expect Ryzen to perform far better in a week or two when windows fixes that glitch, I'd wait to see if Am4 is actually the better choice, and as of right now, it's an excellent processor anyway, and it won't perform too terribly in 1080p anyway, you could run it with a 144hz monitor with no issues if you really wanted.

[spilogale]

Socket - Year

1156 - 2009
1155 - 2011
1150 - 2013
1151 - 2015
Making assumptions that Intel internals are squirming a little from Rizen. Taking bets that they retracted this generation to compete more fervently in mid-2018.