7700k vs 1700X

[Andreas Lilja]

Strictly for gaming and everyday use? 7700k is cheaper.

 

I was pretty much sold on Ryzen until I saw those benchmarks: http://www.pcgamer.com/the-amd-ryzen-7-review/5/

 

Is it because those games were coded with Intel in mind? I know CPUs don't have drivers, but would hypothetical patches improve the whole thing?

[App4that]

The 7700k is much better at gaming.

 

 

[beavo451]

New hardware and architecture needs time to mature and get optimized. As developers continue to improve their programs to be more multi-threaded, the performance of the current Ryzen lineup should go up. Can't predict by how much though. And by the time that happens, hopefully Intel and AMD will have newer architectures/.

[Ensho]

For gaming in regards to Ryzen...I would look to the R5's that are do out next quarter.

[App4that]

1 minute ago, Ensho said:

For gaming in regards to Ryzen...I would look to the R5's that are do out next quarter.

Problem there is the architecture is the same. The 7700k is faster than Broadwell-E because Broadwell-E is Haswell and Kabylake is Skylake. The architecture matters almost as much as the core count. I wouldn't expect the frequency jump of a few hundred Mhz to offset the loss of cores. 

[Tobonator]

Who ever hold majority in sales will dictate the direction of dev development. I would go with the 7700k because intel's dominance, if ending, still has them as the majority vendor, and as such future releases are likely to designed to run on them over amd products due to the composition of the market.

Edited March 3, 2017 by Tobonator
To clarify, this applies to games only. If you intend to do anything other than game on your right then I would recommend the 1700x.

[arnavvr]

14 minutes ago, App4that said:

Problem there is the architecture is the same. The 7700k is faster than Broadwell-E because Broadwell-E is Haswell and Kabylake is Skylake. The architecture matters almost as much as the core count. I wouldn't expect the frequency jump of a few hundred Mhz to offset the loss of cores. 

 

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No...

[App4that]

Just now, arnavvr said:

No...

Yes. thought you knew. LOL. It's smaller, but the same architecture. Like Kabylake is just Skylake with the new 14nm+

[Ensho]

18 minutes ago, App4that said:

Problem there is the architecture is the same. The 7700k is faster than Broadwell-E because Broadwell-E is Haswell and Kabylake is Skylake. The architecture matters almost as much as the core count. I wouldn't expect the frequency jump of a few hundred Mhz to offset the loss of cores. 

That is true, but the advantage should be (albeit speculative) that with 6 cores they should be easier to overclock.  The R7s don't overclock on all cores without having a dedicated air conditioner blowing air into your case....so getting 4ghz out of all 6 cores may be easier and games that can use the 6/12 architecture will very likely put pressure on the 7700K price/per.

[Lays]

7 minutes ago, App4that said:

Yes. thought you knew. LOL. It's smaller, but the same architecture. Like Kabylake is just Skylake with the new 14nm+

Broadwell isn't the same architecture as haswell, the igpu was redone, it had a boatload more cache and IMC was changed as well iirc. IMC and cache added more IPC to it I believe. 

 

2 minutes ago, Ensho said:

That is true, but the advantage should be (albeit speculative) that with 6 cores they should be easier to overclock.  The R7s don't overclock on all cores without having a dedicated air conditioner blowing air into your case....so getting 4ghz out of all 6 cores may be easier and games that can use the 6/12 architecture will very likely put pressure on the 7700K price/per.

If you saw the reviews where all cpus were clocked the same, the 7700k absolutely destroyed the 1800x in gaming,  clocking a six core a few mhz higher won't matter when 7700k can daily 4.9-5.1 Ghz lol.  

[arnavvr]

15 minutes ago, App4that said:

Yes. thought you knew. LOL. It's smaller, but the same architecture. Like Kabylake is just Skylake with the new 14nm+

It's not, they use the same socket, but IPC was increased and the Integrated GPU was heavily increased in performance.

[App4that]

24 minutes ago, Lays said:

Broadwell isn't the same architecture as haswell, the igpu was redone, it had a boatload more cache and IMC was changed as well iirc. IMC and cache added more IPC to it I believe. 

 

If you saw the reviews where all cpus were clocked the same, the 7700k absolutely destroyed the 1800x in gaming,  clocking a six core a few mhz higher won't matter when 7700k can daily 4.9-5.1 Ghz lol.  

If you say so Lays then I stand corrected. I was corrected before and went off PC World who said the architecture was the same. 

[Woewhat]

As i plan to rebuild/upgrade my current computer by the end of this year, i wanted to ask

which CPU would be better if my main focus is FPS + VR gaming to go along with a 1080TI

[done12many2]

1 hour ago, arnavvr said:

It's not, they use the same socket, but IPC was increased and the Integrated GPU was heavily increased in performance.

 

1 hour ago, Lays said:

Broadwell isn't the same architecture as haswell, the igpu was redone, it had a boatload more cache and IMC was changed as well iirc. IMC and cache added more IPC to it I believe. 

 

 

Broadwell is actually the same architecture as Haswell.  Broadwell was die shrink, not an architecture change.  Nothing, but a tick in the tick tock.  

 

50 minutes ago, App4that said:

If you say so Lays then I stand corrected. I was corrected before and went off PC World who said the architecture was the same. 

 

You are correct.

[Drak3]

2 minutes ago, done12many2 said:

 

Broadwell is actually the same architecture as Haswell.  Broadwell was die shrink, not an architecture change.  Nothing, but a tick in the tick tock.  

 

 

You are correct.

Broadwell was a bit more than a die shrink. But at the end of the day, Broadwell, Skylake, and Kaby Lake are all very close in design to Haswell. Closer than Haswell was to Ivy.

 

Almost merits the official adoption of my nicknames for them: Haswell, Haswell mini, Haswell mini 2.0, Haswell mini 2.1

[App4that]

7 minutes ago, done12many2 said:

 

 

Broadwell is actually the same architecture as Haswell.  Broadwell was die shrink, not an architecture change.  Nothing, but a tick in the tick tock.  

 

 

You are correct.

I'm so confusded now LOL,

[done12many2]

1 minute ago, Drak3 said:

Broadwell was a bit more than a die shrink. But at the end of the day, Broadwell, Skylake, and Kaby Lake are all very close in design to Haswell. Closer than Haswell was to Ivy.

 

Almost merits the official adoption of my nicknames for them: Haswell, Haswell mini, Haswell mini 2.0, Haswell mini 2.1

 

I know it was more, but it wasn't an architecture change.

[Drak3]

Just now, done12many2 said:

 

I know it was more, but it wasn't an architecture change.

Going by that, I wouldn't qualify Sky or Kaby as teue architecture changes either. Not that it's a bad thing, Haswell was an extremely solid platform that is apparently very adaptable and can stay modern.

[done12many2]

6 minutes ago, App4that said:

I'm so confusded now LOL,

 

Don't be.  Straight from Intel.  Broadwell was a tick.  

 

[done12many2]

1 minute ago, Drak3 said:

Going by that, I wouldn't qualify Sky or Kaby as teue architecture changes either. Not that it's a bad thing, Haswell was an extremely solid platform that is apparently very adaptable and can stay modern.

 

I'm not going by anything more than what Intel classifies it as.  I justify nothing myself.  If they tell me it's a tick, it's a tick.  If they tell me is a tock (architecture change) then it's a tock.  They know better than me.  

[AnonymousGuy]

Broadwell was to sight in the 14nm process.   The core architecture did not change from Haswell.  It's also socket compatible with Z87 + Z97 which is another hint

 

The only notable thing about broadwell was thet addition of EDRAM / L4 Cache for graphics, only certain SKUs.

[Glenwing]

http://www.intel.com/content/www/us/en/silicon-innovations/intel-tick-tock-model-general.html

 

Haswell was a new architecture, Broadwell was the 14nm shrink of the Haswell architecture. Same relationship between Sandy Bridge / Ivy Bridge.

 

Yes, there were some changes, such as the iGPU, and some optimizations here and there; "same architecture" does not mean "every last transistor is in the same spot". You can make changes, and still be considered the same architecture.