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Clarification for Zen

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Posted · Original PosterOP

I feel like I had to make this because of the misinformation being spread. Things like "AMD will destroy Intel", "Ryzen beats every Intel CPU", "i7's will be obsolete", "Its Ryzen now isnt it?". Now, every single one of these are fake. Lets start with the first one ; "AMD will destroy Intel". This is just not true. At the present moment Intel has a near monopoly in the consumer CPU market and that will take years to break as the average Joe still hears Intel and thinks amazing CPU. Also from the info AMD is doing a good job at beating the target CPU. Ryzen was made to be close to the 6900K. It is basically the exact same. While people might say "The 6900K costs way more" we currently dont have the price of Ryzen. We also know for a fact AMD wont price it at $350 like people think. They will lose money doing that so we can make a reasonable estimation that it will cost around $500-700. Remember this is the highest end chip in the consumer Zen lineup. Its not going to be a budget chip. Now the second one ; "Ryzen beats every Intel CPU". Well theres still the Intel 6950X, 5960X, and every Xeon ever made that people keep conviniently forgetting about. We also know nothing about the other CPUs in the Zen lineup so we cant make assumptions about performance because of their best chip. Thats like judging Nvidias lineup from the Titan XP. On to the next lie. "i7's will be obselete". As I stated in the last point Intel still has a better name and similar performance. And thats only the extreme editions. With the consumer chips most people have never heard of the FX line. And the final one ; "Its Ryzen now isnt it?" Huh... No, thats the name of their highest end chip. Im also going to make one final point about price. Intel can lower prices whenever they want, they make extreme margins, so price is no issue to them. Hope this cleared up a few issues in the community! Stay hypeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeed


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I don't get the point in this, it's just more estimations


 

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Posted · Original PosterOP
Just now, stealth80 said:

I don't get the point in this, it's just more estimations

Its disproving estimations


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2 minutes ago, Clanscorpia said:

every Xeon ever made

You mean the old Nehalem Xeons will beat this Zen chip? :P


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Posted · Original PosterOP
Just now, Energycore said:

You mean the old Nehalem Xeons will beat this Zen chip? :P

No I was making the point that people forgot about them :P 


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1 minute ago, stealth80 said:

I don't get the point in this, it's just more estimations

Some estimations are better than others. Ryzen 8 Core won't cost less than $500, or I will eat my proverbial hat.


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1 minute ago, Energycore said:

Some estimations are better than others. Ryzen 8 Core won't cost less than $500, or I will eat my proverbial hat.

Well toting things we think make sense as facts isn't that much better than the hype train 'facts'. We don't need threads going about making more assumptions as though they are facts. We need threads explaining that we really know little besides come specs and a couple benchmarks


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3 minutes ago, Moress said:

Well toting things we think make sense as facts isn't that much better than the hype train 'facts'. We don't need threads going about making more assumptions as though they are facts. We need threads explaining that we really know little besides come specs and a couple benchmarks

I did explain. I pointed out exact estimations while others did not. AFAIK my only estimation was price which is a very reasonable one and well accepted


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The main reason I'm glad AMD has released such a powerful chip is that it will most likely cause intel to lower their prices to much more reasonable amounts and we can finally have a proper competitive scene in the high end chip market.

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I don't understand why people would want AMD to lose just because they have intel CPUs. It doesn't make these any cheaper.

 

I'd like to see Zen become so competitive to a point where both companies will phase out dual cores for desktop consumers and just keep the lowest model to 4C/4T. The rest will go with something like 4C/8T then higher would have 6C/6T or 6C/12T something like that would be totally cool...even if it were far away :(

 

Think about this, if AMD can get their things together and become so competitive. We can have 8C/16T chips within our T-rex-like reach.


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