i7 2600 VS OC'd E5640 Xeon?

[asand1]

I am building a "new" system and am wondering which one would be my better choice for making my main rig.

 

Current

i7 2600(non K)

Lenovo mobo

16GB DDR3 1600 (limited to 1333)

gtx 960

120gb SSD

1TB HDD

 

 

"New" build

E5640 (OC'd

Sabertooth X58

Same RAM or 24gb ECC if it works

Same GPU (SLI later)

Same SSD

Same HDD

 

I'm just wondering if an OCd 5640 will outperform the i7 2600, and more importantly if a different LGA1366 Xeon would be even better? Ultimately I want to go SLI GTX 960 Windforce 4gb OC edition and 24GB RAM of whatever flavor will work.

 

At this point I need to sell some stuff and focus on one or two machines only.

 

 

 

 

[RadiatingLight]

I don't think you can overclock Xeons

[Cereal5]

dont bother with SLI, especially with GPUs that are that low end. As for the CPU, I would go with the 2600 because of clock speed. Clock speed matters quite a bit in gaming

[asand1]

3 minutes ago, Cereal5 said:

dont bother with SLI, especially with GPUs that are that low end. As for the CPU, I would go with the 2600 because of clock speed. Clock speed matters quite a bit in gaming

The 5640 can OC to 4gb+ hence the "OC'd." Does the locked 2600 still beat it then? And what about a higher end Xeon? And how much do you know about Xeons personally? No offence intended, I just want an informed opinion.

[asand1]

7 minutes ago, RadiatingLight said:

I don't think you can overclock Xeons

Yes, you can OC LGA 1366 Xeons. They are essentially 1366 i7's minus graphics.

[SLAYR]

2 minutes ago, RadiatingLight said:

I don't think you can overclock Xeons

You can BCLK them up to 4+GHz for the older 1366 ones, and some have unlovked multipliers, sandybridge is when they locked them down completely.

 

7 minutes ago, asand1 said:

I am building a "new" system and am wondering which one would be my better choice for making my main rig.

 

Current

i7 2600(non K)

Lenovo mobo

16GB DDR3 1600 (limited to 1333)

gtx 960

120gb SSD

1TB HDD

 

 

"New" build

E5640 (OC'd

Sabertooth X58

Same RAM or 24gb ECC if it works

Same GPU (SLI later)

Same SSD

Same HDD

 

I'm just wondering if an OCd 5640 will outperform the i7 2600, and more importantly if a different LGA1366 Xeon would be even better? Ultimately I want to go SLI GTX 960 Windforce 4gb OC edition and 24GB RAM of whatever flavor will work.

 

At this point I need to sell some stuff and focus on one or two machines only.

 

 

 

 

You will need a 50% (4GHz) for a e5640 to beat an i7 2600, and it will consume a lot more power. You will need to have won the silicon lottery, and will most likely need a liquid cooler to keep that chip cool.

 

http://cpu.userbenchmark.com/Compare/Intel-Xeon-E5640-vs-Intel-Core-i7-2600/m11771vs620

[Clyne]

I was considering a 2600K upgrade, but it wasn't as big of a upgrade compared to my 8320.

It kinda depends if you really need that extra 2 cores, but seeing you need SLI, could just sell X58 and buy a P67/Z68/Z77 board.

Assuming getting over 4.5GHZ with a 5640, you're going to be around 2600 stock. 

 

PS(Unrelated): That 680i board is really acting up....

Comparing single core scores.

Edited October 21, 2016 by Bubblewhale
Added scores

[Cereal5]

5 minutes ago, asand1 said:

The 5640 can OC to 4gb+ hence the "OC'd." Does the locked 2600 still beat it then? And what about a higher end Xeon? And how much do you know about Xeons personally? No offence intended, I just want an informed opinion.

watch until about 2:30 and see what luke has to say. you wont be getting 4GHz i can tell you that much. I would just go for the i7 so you dont have to worry about overclocking or anything

[Cereal5]

2 minutes ago, Bubblewhale said:

you really need that extra 2 cores

that specific xeon is a 4 core

 

2 minutes ago, Bubblewhale said:

Assuming getting over 4.5GHZ with a 5640

a 180% overclock wont be happening. the most i would expect to see is 3.5-3.8, which is the same as the i7, and the xeon would be putting out an INSANE amount of heat

[asand1]

2 minutes ago, Bubblewhale said:

I was considering a 2600K upgrade, but it wasn't as big of a upgrade compared to my 8320.

It kinda depends if you really need that extra 2 cores, but seeing you need SLI, could just sell X58 and buy a P67/Z68/Z77 board.

Assuming getting over 4.5GHZ with a 5640, you're going to be around 2600 stock. 

 

PS(Unrelated): That 680i board is really acting up....

Well I don't "need" SLI, but the board supports it and I was given it for free. I have already ordered the CPU for $15, and 24gb of RAM for $24. I will build this and bench it using the single 960 for testing purposes. I just hoped to get an idea here.

[Clyne]

3 minutes ago, Cereal5 said:

that specific xeon is a 4 core

 

a 180% overclock wont be happening. the most i would expect to see is 3.5-3.8, which is the same as the i7, and the xeon would be putting out an INSANE amount of heat

Nvm, thought it was a six core.

You'll be around the 2600 at 4GHZ in multi threaded...however, still around 4.5ghz for a 2600 stock.

Where'd you get 180% from? Isn't it a 50-60% overclock from its turbo 2.93ghz.

[asand1]

7 minutes ago, Bubblewhale said:

 

There are no E5640 Xeons on that list, and the i7s are "K"s. not much help here.

 

Sorry posted at the same time

 

[Clyne]

Just now, asand1 said:

There are no E5640 Xeons on that list, and the i7s are "K"s. not much help here.

I'm using the stock frequency of 3.4GHZ of the 2600K, which is the same as the 2600. 

It's all based off Westmere anyway...

 

[asand1]

11 minutes ago, Cereal5 said:

watch until about 2:30 and see what luke has to say. you wont be getting 4GHz i can tell you that much. I would just go for the i7 so you dont have to worry about overclocking or anything

Yeah he says they are about the same, but was that OC'd and how close was the match between those two CPUs, and how close are mine?

9 minutes ago, Cereal5 said:

A 180% overclock wont be happening. the most i would expect to see is 3.5-3.8, which is the same as the i7, and the xeon would be putting out an INSANE amount of heat

180? try 100%. and the Xeon has a 15* lower TDP. 

 

 

 

 

http://www.overclockers.com/forums/showthread.php/759167-Overclocking-Escapades-Intel-socket-LGA1366-Xeon-E5640

 

 

Look at 17:56 for 4ghz on the 5640.

So, I can pretty much dismiss everyone who said 4GB is impossible, or that it not overclockable at all. Apparently Xeons are just an unknown in these parts.

[asand1]

I suppose I will just stop asking questions and post the build with bench marking. I don't claim to know everything, but it's obvious to me there is some misinformation from some here.

[Cereal5]

1 minute ago, asand1 said:

So, I can pretty much dismiss everyone who said 4GB is impossible, or that it not overclockable at all

Then why are you discussing it? get the xeon lol. you made up your own mind

[asand1]

4 minutes ago, Cereal5 said:

Then why are you discussing it? get the xeon lol. you made up your own mind

I ordered it yesterday. Of course my mind was made up. Refer to my first post and read the question carefully

 

50 minutes ago, asand1 said:

I am building a "new" system and am wondering which one would be my better choice for making my main rig.

 

I'm just wondering if an OCd 5640 will outperform the i7 2600, and more importantly if a different LGA1366 Xeon would be even better?

 

 

 

 

Where did I ask IF I SHOULD build it?

[Space Reptile]

open and shut case , 2600 wins , the E5620 or E5640 are 1st gen I7´s , 920/940 respectively

 

the 2600 wipes the floor w/ those , i have a dual E5620 System here , my 2600 performs the same or even better sometimes

[asand1]

Just now, Space Reptile said:

open and shut case , 2600 wins , the E5620 or E5640 are ist gen I7´s , 920/940 respectively

 

the 2600 wipes the floor w/ those

Thank you for the response. You don't think OC'ing past the 2600's base clock would make a difference? How about a higher end 1366 Xeon?

[Cereal5]

3 minutes ago, asand1 said:

Where did I ask IF I SHOULD build it?

You asked which one is better. which is what we are debating. I'm saying the 2600. Normally when people ask a question, they want to hear what other people have to say, not prove them wrong because they said a question when they meant a statement. Your title should instead be "here's why the E5640 is better than the 2600" and put all your reasons down

 

[Clyne]

4 minutes ago, asand1 said:

I ordered it yesterday. Of course my mind was made up. Refer to my first post and read the question carefully

 

Where did I ask IF I SHOULD build it?

Could probably just test which performs better, or to your liking.

See which one is better, and sell the one that you don't want. 

But since you have a Sabertooth X58, it's better than Levono 1155 board as it's more "featured" pack.  

You want SLI, and you already have the setup for SLI if you went with the Xeon otherwise you would need to get another LGA 1155 SLI compatible board.

[asand1]

57 minutes ago, Cereal5 said:

dont bother with SLI, especially with GPUs that are that low end. As for the CPU, I would go with the 2600 because of clock speed. Clock speed matters quite a bit in gaming

Yes You answered me here, but in regards to my followup about OCing past the 2600s clock speed you said not possible and it would be too hot.

 

Here.

45 minutes ago, Cereal5 said:

you wont be getting 4GHz i can tell you that much. I would just go for the i7 so you dont have to worry about overclocking or anything

 

and here

44 minutes ago, Cereal5 said:

a (100%) overclock wont be happening. the most i would expect to see is 3.5-3.8, which is the same as the i7, and the xeon would be putting out an INSANE amount of heat

 

If you can't follow the topic, and don't know the subject matter, why are you in my thread?

 

I'm simply saying that SOME of your arguments are wrong, not that your answer to the original question is.

[Space Reptile]

1 minute ago, asand1 said:

Thank you for the response. You don't think OC'ing past the 2600's base clock would make a difference? How about a higher end 1366 Xeon?

not worth the effort really , getting a Xeon up to 4ghz takes alot of luck and watts ,

also higher end xeons cost alot ,an e5620 is 7$ whilst the highest end one will be 80 or more

same goes w/ the board , an 1155 board is cheaper than any higher end 1366,

everbody wants 1366 because of them xeons 

(i payed 80$ for a Server board from Intel , and those are cheap , granted its dual Slot so thats an added premium )

 

if you want bang for the buck and a boatload of threads/cores , get a dual Slot 1366 board and get 2 E5620´s , i can reccomend it , 8c/16t @ 2.66ghz are fun

[asand1]

2 minutes ago, Space Reptile said:

not worth the effort really , getting a Xeon up to 4ghz takes alot of luck and watts ,

also higher end xeons cost alot ,an e5620 is 7$ whilst the highest end one will be 80 or more

same goes w/ the board , an 1155 board is cheaper than any higher end 1366,

everbody wants 1366 because of them xeons 

(i payed 80$ for a Server board from Intel , and those are cheap , granted its dual Slot so thats an added premium )

 

if you want bang for the buck and a boatload of threads/cores , get a dual Slot 1366 board and get 2 E5620´s , i can reccomend it , 8c/16t @ 2.66ghz are fun

Well I already have the Sabertooth X58, I was thinking about proving it works and then getting the fastest 4 or 6 core available in 1366.

[Cereal5]

2 minutes ago, asand1 said:

If you can't follow the topic, and don't know the subject matter, why are you in my thread

If you don't know how silicon works why are you comparing the two. not every e5640 you get your hands on is gonna clock to the moon. believe it or not. I'm in your thread to give you my opinion. I can follow some pixels on a screen just fine, thank you. Please take your attitude some where else