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Posted · Original PosterOP

Hello, 

 

I recently found out that zen3 will be launched on the 8th of October. I currently have a ryzen 7 1700 paired with a gigabyte x370 gaming k5 MB. Gtx 1070 as a Gpu. I plan on buying an rtx 3080. I was wondering if I should get an 3700x since it won't need a new mb, or go for the new Gen which will require new mobo. Is the 3700x a bottleneck? Is it worth investing for a new mb the difference? My 1700 I feel like it's bottlenecking my 1070 in some games, due to the low clockspeeds. 

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Almost all modern CPUs bottleneck a 3080 on 1080p and 1440p.  See zen 3 reviews, and then decide.


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What resolution do you play at, and what's your budget for the upgrade?

Also, what memory are you using with your 1700 at the minute?


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If you need something now, personally I'd go with a 3700x (I use a 3900x with a 1070ti). However I'd wait till Zen 3 gets reviewed and see then.

You'll need a new mobo for Zen 3 if you want to upgrade, so you might want to pick up a motherboard (x570 or b550) before a surge of purchases right after the launch. 

 

Basically I'd say wait for 3080 to be more available and for Zen 3 and have this same conversation after those two events.


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6 minutes ago, HelpfulTechWizard said:

Almost all modern CPUs bottleneck a 3080 on 1080p and 1440p.  See zen 3 reviews, and then decide.

So many people "going to get the 3080" without having a real idea what its capabilities are, or if they should look at other cards.

 

$700-800 is the new mainstream pricing it seems for a GPU.


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Posted · Original PosterOP
Just now, Mateyyy said:

What resolution do you play at, and what's your budget for the upgrade?

Also, what memory are you using with your 1700 at the minute?

I currently own an ultra wide 2560 x 1080 144hz monitor. Next year I would also buy a 3440 x 1440 144hz monitor with gsync. I have a gskill something 3ghz 2 x 8gb. I was also thinking about getting new ram if I switch the platform. I'm curious if they will resealse a new chipset with zen3. I know zen3 works with b550 and x570, I wonder if I should buy the mb right now. I also think I would sell the current pc at a better price if I sell it in a bundle, not by parts. 

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1 minute ago, SouthBi4ch said:

I currently own an ultra wide 2560 x 1080 144hz monitor. Next year I would also buy a 3440 x 1440 144hz monitor with gsync. I have a gskill something 3ghz 2 x 8gb. I was also thinking about getting new ram if I switch the platform. I'm curious if they will resealse a new chipset with zen3. I know zen3 works with b550 and x570, I wonder if I should buy the mb right now. I also think I would sell the current pc at a better price if I sell it in a bundle, not by parts. 

Buy a new CPU when you buy that new monitor.  There will be new products out then.

 

For what you have now, the 1700 is fine, with a 3080.


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1 minute ago, Dedayog said:

Buy a new CPU when you buy that new monitor.  There will be new products out then.

 

For what you have now, the 1700 is fine, with a 3080.

This Cpu is already bottlenecking my 1070 in some games. I plan on upgrading my Cpu first, since I would just use my 1070 until I find the best price for a 3080, since where I live the cheapest is close to 900 euros.

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18 minutes ago, HelpfulTechWizard said:

Almost all modern CPUs bottleneck a 3080 on 1080p and 1440p.  See zen 3 reviews, and then decide.

That is so wrong, people have been running the 3080 at 1080p and 1440p with 3600's

 

EDIT: yes there is a performance difference but it's negligible (3-5 fps) so a 3700x will run it just fine

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1 minute ago, SouthBi4ch said:

I currently own an ultra wide 2560 x 1080 144hz monitor. Next year I would also buy a 3440 x 1440 144hz monitor with gsync. I have a gskill something 3ghz 2 x 8gb. I was also thinking about getting new ram if I switch the platform. I'm curious if they will resealse a new chipset with zen3. I know zen3 works with b550 and x570, I wonder if I should buy the mb right now. I also think I would sell the current pc at a better price if I sell it in a bundle, not by parts. 

If you're just gaming, I'd just get a 10600K, unless Zen 3 matches Intel for gaming performance. The reveal is on October 8th, with releases and reviews hopefully not too long after that. 

 

3000MHz is fine for the memory (I'm assuming you've got something like a CL15/CL16 kit). Sure a faster kit would yield some extra performance, but not enough to warrant the cost of a whole new kit of memory imo.


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Just now, Mateyyy said:

If you're just gaming, I'd just get a 10600K, unless Zen 3 matches Intel for gaming performance. The reveal is on October 8th, with releases and reviews hopefully not too long after that. 

 

3000MHz is fine for the memory (I'm assuming you've got something like a CL15/CL16 kit). Sure a faster kit would yield some extra performance, but not enough to warrant the cost of a whole new kit of memory imo.

I work as a programmer, so I find amd the best for my needs currently, as for productive workloads they yeald the best results for the price. 

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I was wondering if getting a new mb, potentially new ram, would be worth it with zen3 better than I would be just buying a 3700x on my current mobo. I would enjoy 1 more m.2 slot, a lot. I guess I should just wait for zen3 reviews and decide then. 

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2 minutes ago, SouthBi4ch said:

I was wondering if getting a new mb, potentially new ram, would be worth it with zen3 better than I would be just buying a 3700x on my current mobo. I would enjoy 1 more m.2 slot, a lot. I guess I should just wait for zen3 reviews and decide then. 

 

10 minutes ago, SouthBi4ch said:

This Cpu is already bottlenecking my 1070 in some games. I plan on upgrading my Cpu first, since I would just use my 1070 until I find the best price for a 3080, since where I live the cheapest is close to 900 euros.

When you say bottleneck, what do you mean?  What performance are you getting that you think the 1700 is holding you back?

 

At 1440p, a faster CPU will net you a few frames but not a world changing difference.


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Posted · Original PosterOP
3 minutes ago, Dedayog said:

 

When you say bottleneck, what do you mean?  What performance are you getting that you think the 1700 is holding you back?

 

At 1440p, a faster CPU will net you a few frames but not a world changing difference.

One example is valorant. I get about 100 fps on avg, and just if a overclock my Cpu to 3.6 I get above 200. Same goes for a lot of the recent games. My Gpu utilization is sitting at 70 to 80 percent. And this is just with a 1070, which is not really a bad card, don't get me wrong. 

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9 minutes ago, SouthBi4ch said:

One example is valorant. I get about 100 fps on avg, and just if a overclock my Cpu to 3.6 I get above 200. Same goes for a lot of the recent games. My Gpu utilization is sitting at 70 to 80 percent. And this is just with a 1070, which is not really a bad card, don't get me wrong. 

Huh?  You double your fps with a small OC?

 

Well if so, then by all means get a faster CPU. You could probably get 1000 fps with a nice Intel CPU then.


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Posted · Original PosterOP
2 hours ago, Dedayog said:

Huh?  You double your fps with a small OC?

 

Well if so, then by all means get a faster CPU. You could probably get 1000 fps with a nice Intel CPU then.

The base clock is 3 and boost is 3.2, idk why it boosts so little for me. 

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