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3v-72v Step Up

BuckGup
By BuckGup
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I was wondering if it's possible to step up 3v to 72v and support 200A peak as well? I'm trying to step a battery up from 3.2v to 72v but such an increase seems not very feasible or cost effective 

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7 minutes ago, BuckGup said:

I was wondering if it's possible to step up 3v to 72v and support 200A peak as well? I'm trying to step a battery up from 3.2v to 72v but such an increase seems not very feasible or cost effective 

Short answer: yes. But how long does that 200A peak have to last for? Anything more than a fraction of a second is gonna be tough. In essence you would have to scale a suitable sized capacitor to deliver the peak. Depending on how much power the 3V source has, it could take a while to charge it up. Without knowing more about the application, is there something else you can do better than go this route?

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Such a wide input voltage, range. You would need huge inductors and you'd have huge currents... 

 

72v x 200A = 14400 watts  /3v = 4800 A ... ridiculous.

 

At that current, I wouldn't look at anything less than let's say 18.5v (laptop adapters) - 24v .... but ideally you'd do 48v minimum.

 

edit: i assumed continuous, if you mean short pulses, that's doable. 

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1 minute ago, porina said:

Short answer: yes. But how long does that 200A peak have to last for? Anything more than a fraction of a second is gonna be tough. In essence you would have to scale a suitable sized capacitor to deliver the peak. Depending on how much power the 3V source has, it could take a while to charge it up. Without knowing more about the application, is there something else you can do better than go this route?

So the application is for an electric motorcycle. The 200A peak is usually for 30 seconds or less. The obvious and best route is just making the battery larger and adding more cells to up the voltage. I was just looking at other options for cost saving measures but I think this would end up being more expensive lol

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In theory yes, but in practice... supplying 200A at 72V would mean about 5500A at 3V with some efficiency factor counted in...

 

So unless that peak is counted in a milliseconds or less that a capacitor could buffer, no chance.

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2 minutes ago, mariushm said:

Such a wide input voltage, range. You would need huge inductors and you'd have huge currents... 

 

72v x 200A = 14400 watts  /3v = 4800 A ... ridiculous.

 

At that current, I wouldn't look at anything less than let's say 18.5v (laptop adapters) - 24v .... but ideally you'd do 48v minimum.

Ha yeah alright I think I'll just have to end up building the battery with more cells

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Yup... the other solution would require a device bigger than the motorcycle itself made of a few tens of kilos of metal and that would cost a fortune... Not to mention not being able to find a battery capable of delivering that.

 

 

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59 minutes ago, BuckGup said:

So the application is for an electric motorcycle. The 200A peak is usually for 30 seconds or less. The obvious and best route is just making the battery larger and adding more cells to up the voltage. I was just looking at other options for cost saving measures but I think this would end up being more expensive lol

Wait so you wanted to make an EV with a 1s battery? Usually EV packs are between 100 and 400v, or up to about 106s. The killer for lithium batteries is heat, and the more current you pull through an individual cell, the more heat. To get the same power with less heat you have to up the voltage and or add more cells in parallel. 

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39 minutes ago, Hackentosher said:

Wait so you wanted to make an EV with a 1s battery? Usually EV packs are between 100 and 400v, or up to about 106s. The killer for lithium batteries is heat, and the more current you pull through an individual cell, the more heat. To get the same power with less heat you have to up the voltage and or add more cells in parallel. 

I was going to use a LifePo4 battery they use for solar backup. It's 138Ah and can support 250A continuous and 400A burst. The only issue is it's 12v and I need 72v.

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