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Posted · Original PosterOP

So i am a lucky bastard and everyone comes to me to build their systems. For some reason they believe i am a genius because i did my pc and i try to keep my setup as clean as possible lol.

 

So this family member has a pretty unlimited budget and they are trying to build a gaming/streaming system and my only questions is what cpu to go with.

I was thinking a 9900ks to push 5.1+ on the oc for gaming performance, but i want everyones takes on the 10900k chips as it would add 2 cores while pushing 5hz ish.

Or should i just stick to amd with a 3900 or 3950 ? please have real arguments over the price to performance the dude has a ferrari and a rolls royce... money aint a issue for him he just wants the best of the best.

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If they have an unlimited budget then just get the better option ignoring price. Also look at the AMD side of things as well, they have some pretty powerful processors at a lower price, and even though you don't need to worry about money, everyone loves to save it.

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Posted · Original PosterOP
1 minute ago, CreativeName642 said:

If they have an unlimited budget then just get the better option ignoring price. Also look at the AMD side of things as well, they have some pretty powerful processors at a lower price, and even though you don't need to worry about money, everyone loves to save it.

true but i have no clue what would be the best option ... i am trying to look in to the 10980xe. 

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18 minutes ago, xven said:

true but i have no clue what would be the best option ... i am trying to look in to the 10980xe. 

I don't know much about the newer CPUs... I learn most of what I know about computers by looking at this forum, and it hasn't been discussed much (that I've seen at least).

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Get two systems then, one for gaming and one dedicated to screen capture. Could wait for 10900k and see what's what, tho the sceen capture machine preferably has the best of the best CPU which means a Threadripper for h264 encoding.at ridiculously demanding profile (verysloww I think is the name)


CPU: i7-2600K 4751MHz 1.44V (software) --> 1.47V at the back of the socket Motherboard: Asrock Z77 Extreme4 (BCLK: 103.3MHz) CPU Cooler: Noctua NH-D15 RAM: Adata XPG 2x8GB DDR3 (XMP: 2133MHz 10-11-11-30 CR2, custom: 2203MHz 10-11-10-26 CR1 tRFC:230 tREFI:14000) GPU: Asus GTX 1070 Dual (Super Jetstream vbios, +70(2025-2088MHz)/+400(8.8Gbps)) SSD: Samsung 840 Pro 256GB (main boot drive), Transcend SSD370 128GB PSU: Seasonic X-660 80+ Gold Case: Antec P110 Silent, 5 intakes 1 exhaust Monitor: AOC G2460PF 1080p 144Hz (150Hz max w/ DP, 121Hz max w/ HDMI) TN panel Keyboard: Logitech G610 Orion (Cherry MX Blue) with SteelSeries Apex M260 keycaps Mouse: BenQ Zowie FK1

 

Model: HP Omen 17 17-an110ca CPU: i7-8750H (0.125V core & cache, 50mV SA undervolt) GPU: GTX 1060 6GB Mobile (+80/+450, 1650MHz~1750MHz 0.78V~0.85V) RAM: 8+8GB DDR4-2400 18-17-17-39 2T Storage: 1TB HP EX920 PCIe x4 M.2 SSD + 1TB Seagate 7200RPM 2.5" HDD (ST1000LM049-2GH172), 128GB Toshiba PCIe x2 M.2 SSD (KBG30ZMV128G) gone cooking externally Monitor: 1080p 126Hz IPS G-sync

 

Desktop benching:

Cinebench R15 Single thread:168 Multi-thread: 833 

SuperPi (v1.5 from Techpowerup, PI value output) 16K: 0.100s 1M: 8.255s 32M: 7m 45.93s

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30 minutes ago, xven said:

Was told to look into a 10980 also

For gaming and most workloads i worse than the 9900k/3900x. 

 

 

 

Is formfactor a consideration? Perhaps ITX is appealing. 

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A couple thoughts:

 

With that money, get the best.  2080ti (strix, gaming trio) and if not a 9900KS now, then a 10900K if you wait that long to build it.  

 

Kyle did a nice comparison of 3900 and 9900K when ryzen 3 launched, and while you can technically stream using better / "slow" x264 encoding on the 3900 vs really maxing out at x264 medium on the 9900k (without causing frame drops), you consistently get better streamer side (AKA his performance) in FPS on the 9900K.  From streaming myself, I will take better FPS on my side vs being able to use slow encoder setting (which you cant distinguish from medium...you just cant).  I get 0 dropped frames on my 9900k on medium settings with fantastic FPS on my end.

 

Take into consideration this as well (I know you didnt bring this up, but consider cooling); dude with that kind of money asking you to build a PC is likely going to want something working, good performance, and reliable.  While he can certainly afford to pay for a custom loop to cool his components, a guy like that is not going to want to waste his time messing with that maintenance (elsewise he would be building his own PC).  Get him a really good air cooler or AIO for his CPU so he can set it and forget it.


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Just now, Zberg said:

2080ti (strix, gaming trio)

Oh I forgot about the Kingpin :) 


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Since dude is filthy rich.....

 

Build both top Machines. 

 

The one he doesnt like he can give you for payment.

 

Have fun good luck!


 

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15 minutes ago, Jurrunio said:

Get two systems then, one for gaming and one dedicated to screen capture. Could wait for 10900k and see what's what, tho the sceen capture machine preferably has the best of the best CPU which means a Threadripper for h264 encoding.at ridiculously demanding profile (verysloww I think is the name)

i spoke with him about running two systems i would of when 9900ks for the gaming and a 3950 for streaming machine but he said he only wanted a single pc.... Plus i was told with nvidia gpu if you use nvidia nvenc encoder that a single pc will easily run a stream.

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18 minutes ago, GoldenLag said:

For gaming and most workloads i worse than the 9900k/3900x. 

 

 

 

Is formfactor a consideration? Perhaps ITX is appealing. 

he wants it watercooled and i am not good enough to go small factor lol so will be a full size case.

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19 minutes ago, Zberg said:

A couple thoughts:

 

With that money, get the best.  2080ti (strix, gaming trio) and if not a 9900KS now, then a 10900K if you wait that long to build it.  

 

Kyle did a nice comparison of 3900 and 9900K when ryzen 3 launched, and while you can technically stream using better / "slow" x264 encoding on the 3900 vs really maxing out at x264 medium on the 9900k (without causing frame drops), you consistently get better streamer side (AKA his performance) in FPS on the 9900K.  From streaming myself, I will take better FPS on my side vs being able to use slow encoder setting (which you cant distinguish from medium...you just cant).  I get 0 dropped frames on my 9900k on medium settings with fantastic FPS on my end.

 

Take into consideration this as well (I know you didnt bring this up, but consider cooling); dude with that kind of money asking you to build a PC is likely going to want something working, good performance, and reliable.  While he can certainly afford to pay for a custom loop to cool his components, a guy like that is not going to want to waste his time messing with that maintenance (elsewise he would be building his own PC).  Get him a really good air cooler or AIO for his CPU so he can set it and forget it.

We live about 20 minutes from each other, i would do the maintenance for him without any issues. The 10900k is already available from what i see online or i am wrong ?

With a 2080ti using nvidia nvenc encoder he could run his stream extremely easily from my base knowledge. I did have a friend streaming on a 2600 and a rtx 2060 using nvidia nvenc encoder and he streams apex legends with no drop frames and the stream is smooth.

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5 minutes ago, xven said:

Plus i was told with nvidia gpu if you use nvidia nvenc encoder that a single pc will easily run a stream.

That is true, but you said you want the best.

 

Current day then 9900k + dual 2080Ti in SLI (Titan RTX and Titan V are too expensive) make the most sense.


CPU: i7-2600K 4751MHz 1.44V (software) --> 1.47V at the back of the socket Motherboard: Asrock Z77 Extreme4 (BCLK: 103.3MHz) CPU Cooler: Noctua NH-D15 RAM: Adata XPG 2x8GB DDR3 (XMP: 2133MHz 10-11-11-30 CR2, custom: 2203MHz 10-11-10-26 CR1 tRFC:230 tREFI:14000) GPU: Asus GTX 1070 Dual (Super Jetstream vbios, +70(2025-2088MHz)/+400(8.8Gbps)) SSD: Samsung 840 Pro 256GB (main boot drive), Transcend SSD370 128GB PSU: Seasonic X-660 80+ Gold Case: Antec P110 Silent, 5 intakes 1 exhaust Monitor: AOC G2460PF 1080p 144Hz (150Hz max w/ DP, 121Hz max w/ HDMI) TN panel Keyboard: Logitech G610 Orion (Cherry MX Blue) with SteelSeries Apex M260 keycaps Mouse: BenQ Zowie FK1

 

Model: HP Omen 17 17-an110ca CPU: i7-8750H (0.125V core & cache, 50mV SA undervolt) GPU: GTX 1060 6GB Mobile (+80/+450, 1650MHz~1750MHz 0.78V~0.85V) RAM: 8+8GB DDR4-2400 18-17-17-39 2T Storage: 1TB HP EX920 PCIe x4 M.2 SSD + 1TB Seagate 7200RPM 2.5" HDD (ST1000LM049-2GH172), 128GB Toshiba PCIe x2 M.2 SSD (KBG30ZMV128G) gone cooking externally Monitor: 1080p 126Hz IPS G-sync

 

Desktop benching:

Cinebench R15 Single thread:168 Multi-thread: 833 

SuperPi (v1.5 from Techpowerup, PI value output) 16K: 0.100s 1M: 8.255s 32M: 7m 45.93s

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12 minutes ago, Jurrunio said:

That is true, but you said you want the best.

 

Current day then 9900k + dual 2080Ti in SLI (Titan RTX and Titan V are too expensive) make the most sense.

I already ordered evga ftw3 2080 ti ultra x2.

He really doesnt want to hear it about the pc setup sadly.

 

From my base reading so far is that the 9900ks is the only better gaming chip over the 10980xe really but then the questions is will the extra cores of the 10980xe help for this streaming pc or not really.

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Stupid friend of mine that is all about streaming is on vacation for 2 more weeks -.-

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3 minutes ago, xven said:

From my base reading so far is that the 9900ks is the only better gaming chip over the 10980xe really but then the questions is will the extra cores of the 10980xe help for this streaming pc or not really.

It worsens gaming performance, and if you use NVENC it won't help with streaming either


CPU: i7-2600K 4751MHz 1.44V (software) --> 1.47V at the back of the socket Motherboard: Asrock Z77 Extreme4 (BCLK: 103.3MHz) CPU Cooler: Noctua NH-D15 RAM: Adata XPG 2x8GB DDR3 (XMP: 2133MHz 10-11-11-30 CR2, custom: 2203MHz 10-11-10-26 CR1 tRFC:230 tREFI:14000) GPU: Asus GTX 1070 Dual (Super Jetstream vbios, +70(2025-2088MHz)/+400(8.8Gbps)) SSD: Samsung 840 Pro 256GB (main boot drive), Transcend SSD370 128GB PSU: Seasonic X-660 80+ Gold Case: Antec P110 Silent, 5 intakes 1 exhaust Monitor: AOC G2460PF 1080p 144Hz (150Hz max w/ DP, 121Hz max w/ HDMI) TN panel Keyboard: Logitech G610 Orion (Cherry MX Blue) with SteelSeries Apex M260 keycaps Mouse: BenQ Zowie FK1

 

Model: HP Omen 17 17-an110ca CPU: i7-8750H (0.125V core & cache, 50mV SA undervolt) GPU: GTX 1060 6GB Mobile (+80/+450, 1650MHz~1750MHz 0.78V~0.85V) RAM: 8+8GB DDR4-2400 18-17-17-39 2T Storage: 1TB HP EX920 PCIe x4 M.2 SSD + 1TB Seagate 7200RPM 2.5" HDD (ST1000LM049-2GH172), 128GB Toshiba PCIe x2 M.2 SSD (KBG30ZMV128G) gone cooking externally Monitor: 1080p 126Hz IPS G-sync

 

Desktop benching:

Cinebench R15 Single thread:168 Multi-thread: 833 

SuperPi (v1.5 from Techpowerup, PI value output) 16K: 0.100s 1M: 8.255s 32M: 7m 45.93s

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Posted · Original PosterOP
11 minutes ago, Jurrunio said:

It worsens gaming performance, and if you use NVENC it won't help with streaming either

should i try to trick him and build 2 system in a single case lmao !

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NVENC(new) does help with streaming on a single PC (its what I use) instead of it going form gpu, cpu, memory, its gpu only for the encoding. Which is really great of the RTX cards cause it was made for them specifically.

 


My Setup

Build Name: DarkFlash

Monitor: AOC CQ32G1 32" Curved QHD 2560x1440 VA 144hz 1ms

Chassis: EVGA DG-87

Motherboard: EVGA Z170 Classified K w/ 270 Bios Chips

CPU: i7 7700K Delidded OC @ 5.0Ghz 1.33v

CPU Cooler: EVGA CLC 280mm AIO

Memory/RAM:  HyperX Predator RGB DDR4 4x8GB 32GB 3200Mhz @ XMP

GPU: EVGA GeForce GTX 1070 Ti FTW2 8GB OC @ +130 Core +250 Memory

PSU: EVGA Supernova 1000w G3 w/ custom modmesh black & blood red cables from cablemod

Boot/OS SSD: Samsung 850 EVO 250GB

Game SSD: Samsung 850 Pro 256GB

Performance/Editing HDD: Western Digital Black 1TB

Storage HDD: Western Digital Blue 1TB

Mouse: Razer Lancehead Tournament Edition

Mouse Pad: Razer Firefly Cloth Edition

Keyboard: Razer Ornata Chroma

Microphone: HyperX Quadcast

Headset: HyperX Cloud II

Eyewear/Glasses: Gunnar Optiks Razer FPS

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2 minutes ago, xven said:

should i try to trick him and build 2 system in a single case lmao !

Nah, after all controlling two systems for two apps is kinda complex. You wont be able to trick him for very long.

Besides the ITX system cant capture if you use Ryzen which has more cores but no iGPU because you need a capture card for the only PCIe slot


CPU: i7-2600K 4751MHz 1.44V (software) --> 1.47V at the back of the socket Motherboard: Asrock Z77 Extreme4 (BCLK: 103.3MHz) CPU Cooler: Noctua NH-D15 RAM: Adata XPG 2x8GB DDR3 (XMP: 2133MHz 10-11-11-30 CR2, custom: 2203MHz 10-11-10-26 CR1 tRFC:230 tREFI:14000) GPU: Asus GTX 1070 Dual (Super Jetstream vbios, +70(2025-2088MHz)/+400(8.8Gbps)) SSD: Samsung 840 Pro 256GB (main boot drive), Transcend SSD370 128GB PSU: Seasonic X-660 80+ Gold Case: Antec P110 Silent, 5 intakes 1 exhaust Monitor: AOC G2460PF 1080p 144Hz (150Hz max w/ DP, 121Hz max w/ HDMI) TN panel Keyboard: Logitech G610 Orion (Cherry MX Blue) with SteelSeries Apex M260 keycaps Mouse: BenQ Zowie FK1

 

Model: HP Omen 17 17-an110ca CPU: i7-8750H (0.125V core & cache, 50mV SA undervolt) GPU: GTX 1060 6GB Mobile (+80/+450, 1650MHz~1750MHz 0.78V~0.85V) RAM: 8+8GB DDR4-2400 18-17-17-39 2T Storage: 1TB HP EX920 PCIe x4 M.2 SSD + 1TB Seagate 7200RPM 2.5" HDD (ST1000LM049-2GH172), 128GB Toshiba PCIe x2 M.2 SSD (KBG30ZMV128G) gone cooking externally Monitor: 1080p 126Hz IPS G-sync

 

Desktop benching:

Cinebench R15 Single thread:168 Multi-thread: 833 

SuperPi (v1.5 from Techpowerup, PI value output) 16K: 0.100s 1M: 8.255s 32M: 7m 45.93s

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3 minutes ago, ChaosCGTV said:

NVENC(new) does help with streaming on a single PC (its what I use) instead of it going form gpu, cpu, memory, its gpu only for the encoding. Which is really great of the RTX cards cause it was made for them specifically.

 

You can use that for even Pascal, so I assume all Nvidia GPUs that support Nvenc


CPU: i7-2600K 4751MHz 1.44V (software) --> 1.47V at the back of the socket Motherboard: Asrock Z77 Extreme4 (BCLK: 103.3MHz) CPU Cooler: Noctua NH-D15 RAM: Adata XPG 2x8GB DDR3 (XMP: 2133MHz 10-11-11-30 CR2, custom: 2203MHz 10-11-10-26 CR1 tRFC:230 tREFI:14000) GPU: Asus GTX 1070 Dual (Super Jetstream vbios, +70(2025-2088MHz)/+400(8.8Gbps)) SSD: Samsung 840 Pro 256GB (main boot drive), Transcend SSD370 128GB PSU: Seasonic X-660 80+ Gold Case: Antec P110 Silent, 5 intakes 1 exhaust Monitor: AOC G2460PF 1080p 144Hz (150Hz max w/ DP, 121Hz max w/ HDMI) TN panel Keyboard: Logitech G610 Orion (Cherry MX Blue) with SteelSeries Apex M260 keycaps Mouse: BenQ Zowie FK1

 

Model: HP Omen 17 17-an110ca CPU: i7-8750H (0.125V core & cache, 50mV SA undervolt) GPU: GTX 1060 6GB Mobile (+80/+450, 1650MHz~1750MHz 0.78V~0.85V) RAM: 8+8GB DDR4-2400 18-17-17-39 2T Storage: 1TB HP EX920 PCIe x4 M.2 SSD + 1TB Seagate 7200RPM 2.5" HDD (ST1000LM049-2GH172), 128GB Toshiba PCIe x2 M.2 SSD (KBG30ZMV128G) gone cooking externally Monitor: 1080p 126Hz IPS G-sync

 

Desktop benching:

Cinebench R15 Single thread:168 Multi-thread: 833 

SuperPi (v1.5 from Techpowerup, PI value output) 16K: 0.100s 1M: 8.255s 32M: 7m 45.93s

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1 minute ago, Jurrunio said:

You can use that for even Pascal, so I assume all Nvidia GPUs that support Nvenc

Yeah can confirm, cause I use a 1070 ti works great even I'm streaming at 1080p60fps


My Setup

Build Name: DarkFlash

Monitor: AOC CQ32G1 32" Curved QHD 2560x1440 VA 144hz 1ms

Chassis: EVGA DG-87

Motherboard: EVGA Z170 Classified K w/ 270 Bios Chips

CPU: i7 7700K Delidded OC @ 5.0Ghz 1.33v

CPU Cooler: EVGA CLC 280mm AIO

Memory/RAM:  HyperX Predator RGB DDR4 4x8GB 32GB 3200Mhz @ XMP

GPU: EVGA GeForce GTX 1070 Ti FTW2 8GB OC @ +130 Core +250 Memory

PSU: EVGA Supernova 1000w G3 w/ custom modmesh black & blood red cables from cablemod

Boot/OS SSD: Samsung 850 EVO 250GB

Game SSD: Samsung 850 Pro 256GB

Performance/Editing HDD: Western Digital Black 1TB

Storage HDD: Western Digital Blue 1TB

Mouse: Razer Lancehead Tournament Edition

Mouse Pad: Razer Firefly Cloth Edition

Keyboard: Razer Ornata Chroma

Microphone: HyperX Quadcast

Headset: HyperX Cloud II

Eyewear/Glasses: Gunnar Optiks Razer FPS

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2 minutes ago, Jurrunio said:

Nah, after all controlling two systems for two apps is kinda complex. You wont be able to trick him for very long.

Besides the ITX system cant capture if you use Ryzen which has more cores but no iGPU because you need a capture card for the only PCIe slot

Ya I was gonna say, while with unlimited money thats the most feasible time to build 2 systems, that kind of person probably doesnt want to mess around with 2 boxes and setting up OBS on one, gaming on the other, that is PC enthusiast land.  Ironically most of the people with that level of enthusiasm dont have the funds to build or mess around with those set ups.


Home: 9900k / NH-D15 / z390 Aorus master / 32 gb Corsair vengeance 3000mHz LPX / RTX 2080 ti / Fractal Define R6

 

Work: 2700x / DR4 / b450 Asrock ITX mobo / 32 gb Corsair vengeance 3000mHz LPX / RTX 2080 ti / inWin A1 plus

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1 minute ago, Zberg said:

Ya I was gonna say, while with unlimited money thats the most feasible time to build 2 systems, that kind of person probably doesnt want to mess around with 2 boxes and setting up OBS on one, gaming on the other, that is PC enthusiast land.  Ironically most of the people with that level of enthusiasm dont have the funds to build or mess around with those set ups.

So i am still on the edge with a 9900ks and a 10980xe but yea i am trying to make it as easily as possible for him to use.

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