Ryzen 2600x OC

[hollyh88]

Hey folks so i dabbled a bit more into overclocking my ryzen 2600x just because i felt like it. always had it at 4.1 but i brought it to 4.2 all core oc. 
but it is doing this on 1.45.

 

Should i try and get this lower? Or does this not bother the cpu so much? i know that ryzen 2000 series can go up to 1.5 orso right? 
Temps are good btw. when doing cinebench it keeps getting roughly 72c. and when gaming around 52/55c.

[GoldenLag]

19 minutes ago, hollyh88 said:

i know that ryzen 2000 series can go up to 1.5 orso right? 

nonononononononnonono. 1,5v is death/degredation within a short period. 

 

19 minutes ago, hollyh88 said:

but it is doing this on 1.45.

1,45 is also in degredation territory, not quite as bad. i suggest keeping it below 1,42. around 1,42 should keep it  going for a long time. and "completely" safe is 1,4 and below. 

 

 

edti: PBO or XFR may use more voltage, but that is during boost and low load scenarios, not comparable to a allcore overclock a constant voltage

[hollyh88]

6 minutes ago, GoldenLag said:

nonononononononnonono. 1,5v is death/degredation within a short period. 

 

1,45 is also in degredation territory, not quite as bad. i suggest keeping it below 1,42. around 1,42 should keep it  going for a long time. and "completely" safe is 1,4 and below. 

 

 

edti: PBO or XFR may use more voltage, but that is during boost and low load scenarios, not comparable to a allcore overclock a constant voltage

yeah pbo had it up to 1.47 or so at times even.

so i should try around 1.42 huh. would that work with a 4.2 oc well? 

[GoldenLag]

Just now, hollyh88 said:

yeah pbo had it up to 1.47 or so at times even.

PBO and Boost can have some fun with voltage, just never follow any of the voltages they utilize. 

1 minute ago, hollyh88 said:

so i should try around 1.42 huh. would that work with a 4.2 oc well?

should work fine, just test it and watch out for sudden drops in score. 

 

sometimes its stable, but the score is that of a chip running at much lower speeds. 

 

people have registered high overclocks with ryzen, but the score just doesnt reflect the clockspeed. 

[Bacon soup]

4.1GHz appears to be a sweetspot for the 2600. I've had mine for about three weeks and just overclocked it tonight. I will try break past 4.1GHz when my cooler arrives. I'm still using the stock cooler.

[hollyh88]

41 minutes ago, GoldenLag said:

PBO and Boost can have some fun with voltage, just never follow any of the voltages they utilize. 

should work fine, just test it and watch out for sudden drops in score. 

 

sometimes its stable, but the score is that of a chip running at much lower speeds. 

 

people have registered high overclocks with ryzen, but the score just doesnt reflect the clockspeed. 

well i mostly just oc it because i never oced it past the 4.1 which did it around 1.37. 

I just tried it from 1.375 and increased it everytime it crashed. I managed to indeed get it at 1.42. worked perfectly fine. did multiple cinebench runs and had metro exodus run played it for several minutes about 12. had 0 issues. 

soo all in all im happy with it  

Wont even attempt 4.3 even though some can do it. im just happy mine can get to 4.2 since most would only go till 4.1 or 4. 

 

[hollyh88]

29 minutes ago, Bacon soup said:

4.1GHz appears to be a sweetspot for the 2600. I've had mine for about three weeks and just overclocked it tonight. I will try break past 4.1GHz when my cooler arrives. I'm still using the stock cooler.

i mean i literally have a basic 50 buck air cooler. coolermaster hyper 212 black edition. during games it sticks around the 52/54c mark and with stuff like cinebench it reaches around 70/73c. 

So all in all im happy  
that being said i do have a case with 3 big front fans and its not exactly the dessert here in the netherlands. its around 16c where im at now. give or take 2/3  more from being in my room.

[Bacon soup]

5 minutes ago, hollyh88 said:

that being said i do have a case with 3 big front fans and its not exactly the dessert here in the netherlands. its around 16c where im at now. give or take 2/3  more from being in my room.

that is pretty much what I have. Gaming is around 50C and benchmarks throw it up to 69/70C. I work night shift in NZ so my computer is only running at night when its freezing cold, and I keep my window open coz I'm used to being outdoors. We get frost at night through to Janurary. I just ordered the scythe fuma 2 because in the month of Februrary, even at night, it is stinking hot.

[GoldenLag]

13 minutes ago, hollyh88 said:

I managed to indeed get it at 1.42

i suggest trying to play around at 1,41 or 1,4. if you can get it there, then you wont have to think about that voltage much if at all

[C17H23NO2]

Me personally wouldn't feel good with anything above 1.4V , but people are different. If you're happy with it that's good. 
Don't know if 4.2Ghz is that much of a performance difference to 4.1 to justify the more voltage resulting in higher temperature. 
I'd still prefer a solid 4.1ghz OC with decent voltage and temps.

[hollyh88]

26 minutes ago, GoldenLag said:

i suggest trying to play around at 1,41 or 1,4. if you can get it there, then you wont have to think about that voltage much if at all

it wouldnt do that sadly. it kept crashing. 

[hollyh88]

6 minutes ago, C17H23NO2 said:

Me personally wouldn't feel good with anything above 1.4V , but people are different. If you're happy with it that's good. 
Don't know if 4.2Ghz is that much of a performance difference to 4.1 to justify the more voltage resulting in higher temperature. 
I'd still prefer a solid 4.1ghz OC with decent voltage and temps.

well i know that lower voltages are the way to go. but i think it will be fine for the upcoming months. and if it ever does fail hey.. i got an excuse to get something like the 3700x

higher temps are non existing though. it was around 50/53c when gaming with a 4.1 oc as well. or with pbo around 4.075
the only time it ever went over 60 degrees was in the summer when it was nearly 40c outside and when i make all cores hit 100% in stuff like cinebench. so its alll fine. 

next up a new gpu  but thats another topic.

[hollyh88]

32 minutes ago, Bacon soup said:

that is pretty much what I have. Gaming is around 50C and benchmarks throw it up to 69/70C. I work night shift in NZ so my computer is only running at night when its freezing cold, and I keep my window open coz I'm used to being outdoors. We get frost at night through to Janurary. I just ordered the scythe fuma 2 because in the month of Februrary, even at night, it is stinking hot.

never heard of that brand. that does look pretty good though.  

it will perform better than mine but i honstly find it a bit wasteful to go any further on cooling for my cpu. its nice and stealthy. only rgb in my case now is the mobo and ram. 
so it looks fine

[Mathieu9836]

You will squeeze more ''horses'' out of memory latency then OCing 0.1GHZ on the CPU. Zen+ is very very sensitive to memory speed, can't say the same about CPU clockspeed not at it doesnt matter but not as much as memory speed. 4.0-4.1GHZ is the sweet spot with the 2600\2600X, i run my 2700 at 4.125ghz @ 1.35 volts.

 

Edit: And having to crank voltage up to 1.45 mean you have a chip meant to run at 4.0ghz-4.05ghz at around 1.38volts. You didnt win the silicon lottery but that a very good chip. When you have to raise the voltage a fair amount to get a little faster clockspeed, that mean you are reaching the limits.

 

Work on RAM, if you don't have something decent get Crucial Ballistix stuff, i run my 3200mhz CL16 kit to 3200mhz 14-15-15-15-34 and i gained 50points on cinebench.

[GoldenLag]

11 minutes ago, hollyh88 said:

got an excuse to get something like the 3700x

just to note the voltage limit for that. people are fairly unsure, but i dont recommend going above 1,39 for that one. 

[hollyh88]

21 minutes ago, Mathieu9836 said:

You will squeeze more ''horses'' out of memory latency then OCing 0.1GHZ on the CPU. Zen+ is very very sensitive to memory speed, can't say the same about CPU clockspeed not at it doesnt matter but not as much as memory speed. 4.0-4.1GHZ is the sweet spot with the 2600\2600X, i run my 2700 at 4.125ghz @ 1.35 volts.

 

Edit: And having to crank voltage up to 1.45 mean you have a chip meant to run at 4.0ghz-4.05ghz at around 1.38volts. You didnt win the silicon lottery but that a very good chip. When you have to raise the voltage a fair amount to get a little faster clockspeed, that mean you are reaching the limits.

 

Work on RAM, if you don't have something decent get Crucial Ballistix stuff, i run my 3200mhz CL16 kit to 3200mhz 14-15-15-15-34 and i gained 50points on cinebench.

i dont really use cinebench to get the highest scores. just more to test stability and temps. 

in gaming some higher speeds do matter. i have seen fps increase from going with pbo that puts it around 4.05/7 to 4.2. 

it is at 1.42 now. Stable and fine.

my ram is going at 3200 at 16. idk if it can do 14. ram speed timings are more of a hassle for me. 
its as my signature says. a HyperX Predator RGB 2x8 kit. at axmp profile 2 which makes it get to the 3200 speed no issues.

[hollyh88]

22 minutes ago, GoldenLag said:

just to note the voltage limit for that. people are fairly unsure, but i dont recommend going above 1,39 for that one. 

hmm that does sound uncertain. i just rather go with a 3700x due to it having 2 more cores. and thus 16 threads. 

Yes going with a 3600/x will increase my fps. but it wouldnt feel like an upgrade you know? i would be going from 6 cores and 12 threads to the same amount. 
so i rather also get more of a core and thread upgrade. Not that you currently even need 6 cores or 12 threads lol... 

[Tristerin]

Im over here like - there is no way that Hyper 212 is keeping that voltage in check.  So much so that Im going to say...yeah, right bud.

 

Also yes, you are going to see chip degredation over 1.4vCore potentially.  And there is no way your Hyper 212 wont get heat soaked under those voltages and cause a overheating issue.  Sorry.  Or at least your ambient temp is somewhere around 12c or so which still wont stop heat soak.  Theres only so much surface area to dissipate.  

 

As a Ryzen OCer myself, my temps are closer to yours with 600mm radiator space in push pull config on a custom loop, I see high 60c under Prime95, and low 70c doing Cine R20 runs.

[hollyh88]

5 minutes ago, Tristerin said:

Im over here like - there is no way that Hyper 212 is keeping that voltage in check.  So much so that Im going to say...yeah, right bud.

 

Also yes, you are going to see chip degredation over 1.4vCore potentially.  And there is no way your Hyper 212 wont get heat soaked under those voltages and cause a overheating issue.  Sorry.  Or at least your ambient temp is somewhere around 12c or so which still wont stop heat soak.  Theres only so much surface area to dissipate.  

 

As a Ryzen OCer myself, my temps are closer to yours with 600mm radiator space in push pull config, I see high 60c under Prime95, and low 70c doing Cine R20 runs.

dont know what to say pall i really do have a 212 evo black edition. and it really is at 52/54c when gaming.  
also i would put current room temps roughly around 19c 

yeah the cinebench runs do make the cpu reach 73c, but thats with everything at 100% a game like exodus only used roughly around 54% i would say. ill get a screenshot for you.

[Tristerin]

5 minutes ago, hollyh88 said:

dont know what to say pall i really do have a 212 evo black edition. and it really is at 52/54c when gaming.  

All good, until screenshots of a successful pass of CinebenchR20 at that speed with some more proof you can say it all you want.

 

Even at a 16c room, newp.  Science brosephus. 

 

Thing is, when I see posts like this, you have to have proof you are doing it, because the concept isn't even possible.  There isn't enough HS real estate afforded to that sort of voltage to mitigate the heat.  So either your running a specific sort of setup (I too can hang my radiators out the window in the winter for increased performance) to achieve this - or its wrong.  Ive personally spent around 50 hours working on Ryzen overclocks this year and Id like to know your secret if that's the case.  I can start overclocking for ALOT cheaper than the 3 radiator loop Im putting on Ryzen Rig 1 in sig when I have time...so I can overclock it like RR2 in sig.

[hollyh88]

there you go. proof  see highest temps, thats how hot it got during cinebench. 

[Tristerin]

3 minutes ago, hollyh88 said:

there you go. proof

That's CineR15 - you also achieved 5.2ghz overclock in those pictures.  Id have to say...something isn't adding up here still.

 

 

[Tristerin]

And you really are only getting a 35 point improvement for 4.2ghz OC, vs a 3.6ghz run repeated and you were also beat by the same 3.6ghz run.

 

Something is not right with your data.

 

 

[Mathieu9836]

You can do whatever your are pleased, but i would not throw 1.45volts to a 2600X just to get 3 more fps average.... that's playing with fire just because it's fun. Get your clockspeed back to 4.0ghz with the lowest stable voltage possible, test it with either aida64 or Intel Burn test for about 15 minutes. Then work those memory timings down, even the cheapest Team Group 3200mhz kit can run at CL16, you probably can run at CL14 or maybe CL15 which will probably give you more FPS than having you CPU running hotter with a shit ton of voltage.

 

Download Typhoon Burner and see what dies your RAM kit has, then try Ryzen DRAM Calculator.

 

Wasting money for a 3700X when your 2600X get the job done is just, wasting money.

And what motherboard are you using? If it's a weak VRM that might explain why you need to increase the voltage to an unsafe level.

[hollyh88]

32 minutes ago, Tristerin said:

That's CineR15 - you also achieved 5.2ghz overclock in those pictures.  Id have to say...something isn't adding up here still.

 

 

4194? aka 4.2 it says it right there. 5200 is nothing. it even said 10000 at one point lmao. thats just the software fucking up the highest speeds noted. 

but i mean if you dont want to believe me still go ahead.