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Was RTX a big scam? – Performance & image quality analysis

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On 5/16/2019 at 8:36 PM, Egg-Roll said:

No false advertisement is not scamming.

Nvidia had pages on their own website saying that RTX had been supported in over 25+ games before RTX even launched. We have 3....
To quote some...

Player Unknowns Battlegrounds
Battlefield V

Metro: Exodus
Ark: Survival Evolved
Final Fantasy XV

Shadow of the Tomb Raider
Anthem

 

This was from their own website, and we know most of these games had nothing but graphical problems and bugs when RTX first appeared in the games. So yes, Nvidia did lie by saying what games supported the technology. In fact, most of the games listed got RTX implemented AFTER the RTX cards hit the market.

RTX was absolutely a scam. It was sold to people as an amazing tech that worked in so many different titles when even today it is in all of 3 games.

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3 hours ago, ThePD said:

Nvidia had pages on their own website saying that RTX had been supported in over 25+ games before RTX even launched. We have 3....
To quote some...

Player Unknowns Battlegrounds
Battlefield V

Metro: Exodus
Ark: Survival Evolved
Final Fantasy XV

Shadow of the Tomb Raider
Anthem

 

This was from their own website, and we know most of these games had nothing but graphical problems and bugs when RTX first appeared in the games. So yes, Nvidia did lie by saying what games supported the technology. In fact, most of the games listed got RTX implemented AFTER the RTX cards hit the market.

RTX was absolutely a scam. It was sold to people as an amazing tech that worked in so many different titles when even today it is in all of 3 games.

Once again, not a scam. A scam would require them to refuse you to return the item.

Also Nvidia got confirmation that those game makers where willing to implement the RTX cores in their games, Nvidia can not be held accountable for when (or even if) it happens let alone how well it works on a game to game bases, as well system to system too since many computers don't have identical setups. Do you know why? I'll give you a hint:

 

NVIDIA IS A CHIP MAKER NOT A GAME MAKER!

 

So once again RTX is not a scam, at worst it was used to mislead their customers to buy their new cards with the promise of many games, new cards that could technically be returned. However once again Nvidia can not (and will not in any legal system) be held accountable as to when games get released with RTX abilities. If you think otherwise, why not try suing them? You'll fail and lose a butt ton of money in the process.

 

Oh FYI returns on the premise the game that should have it enabled didn't will incur restocking fees because said developer was slow, as the card technically functions as intended. Unless it was bundled with the card with the guarantee at the time of sale it would work right from the box.

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31 minutes ago, Egg-Roll said:

So once again RTX is not a scam, at worst it was used to mislead their customers to buy their new cards with the promise of many games, new cards that could technically be returned.

Deceptive marketing is a scam. The definition of scam is a dishonest scheme. It was dishonest for Nvidia to claim they had 28 games that supported RTX. Misleading customers is by definition a scam. They market the RTX lineup telling you that you can use all those shiney new features on 28 games. That was done so that it would entice people who play those games to go and buy the new RTX cards. I know someone who bought a 2080ti specifically for RTX features in Final Fantasy XV and Ark: Survival Evolved. That kind of marketing works and it is indeed a scam. A scam goes way beyond the pricing of a product...

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8 minutes ago, ThePD said:

Deceptive marketing is a scam. The definition of scam is a dishonest scheme. It was dishonest for Nvidia to claim they had 28 games that supported RTX. Misleading customers is by definition a scam. They market the RTX lineup telling you that you can use all those shiney new features on 28 games. That was done so that it would entice people who play those games to go and buy the new RTX cards. I know someone who bought a 2080ti specifically for RTX features in Final Fantasy XV and Ark: Survival Evolved. That kind of marketing works and it is indeed a scam. A scam goes way beyond the pricing of a product...

Deceptive marketing is not a scam it's deceptive marketing. Legally speaking one who does deceptive marketing could see jail time, but since we are surrounded by it almost nothing happens, that's right almost every company does it.

 

What part about this image is deceptive or dishonest?

Nvidia-GeForce-RTX-games.jpg

 

The soon part? or the Coming part? Or maybe it's peoples brains taking information they want to see and ignoring everything else? Yea that sounds like it.

 

Once again not a scam, you can call it a scam but unless you can prove without a doubt Nvidia went out and claimed all the games will be 100% no delays available (which no company would ever do even if they made those games themselves) it is not a scam. What it is is a very well made marketing campaign that tricked people into buying their new fancy top of the line items, sound familiar? No? Well here's a hint Apple and Sammy do it all the time.

 

As for your "friend" they fell for a well worded marketing setup where your friend likely made the mistake of not reading the fine print or the entirety of the page they read when they made the decision to buy the best card offered.

 

Once again no law unless there was indeed intent to mislead swindle take (usually including running off with) peoples money will back you up on this scam claim. RTX was well marketed and people took what they wanted to hear, that is not Nvidias fault, that's the peoples fault. Like I said Apple and Sammy (along with many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many others) do this to get gullible people to either go into their stores or see a sales rep in a authorized place to attempt to push a sale of their item in question. The worst offenders of this kind of marketing ploy are beer manufacturers, why do you whine about them instead?

 

Seriously tho if you want to set up a class action lawsuit against Nvidia spend the hundreds of thousands if not millions of dollars in legal fees along with the up to 5 or so years in the system just to get $50 back for everyone who bought a RTX card. BUT! That is if you have proof of your claims, this means on their site or in a press release someone HAD to of said that these games would all be working with RTX WHEN RTX gets released, but even then the courts might throw the case out, you know why? ONCE AGAIN NVIDIA IS A CHIP MAKER, AND NOT A GAME MAKER! You bought a card based on a 3rd party words instead of thinking smart and asking the ACTUAL company that makes the game. In that case you might see money you might not but your case becomes so much harder then, simply because a lawyer on Nvidias side could argue you failed to take due diligence because "errors can happen". Look at Elon Musk and his issues with Tesla and Twitter.

 

So show me the proof Nvidia actually claimed these games would work right away with RTX upon buying their card.

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tl;dr, some of you know nothing and yes, RTX cards are definitely a scam. One reason I'm still using 1070s.


Sorry about my spelling sometimes. My $1200 laptop has a $2 keyboard.

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13 minutes ago, BleachedFur said:

tl;dr, some of you know nothing and yes, RTX cards are definitely a scam. One reason I'm still using 1070s.

Explain what part of RTX is a scam then if you believe it to be so? You know the law doesn't simply go based on what Webster claims it to be right?

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20 minutes ago, Egg-Roll said:

Explain what part of RTX is a scam then if you believe it to be so?

the fucking price

 

My 1070s in SLI perform better than a 2080 in supported applications. I bought them for $200 each for a total of $400.

 

Now YOU tell me how much the 2080 cost.


Sorry about my spelling sometimes. My $1200 laptop has a $2 keyboard.

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18 minutes ago, BleachedFur said:

the fucking price

 

My 1070s in SLI perform better than a 2080 in supported applications. I bought them for $200 each for a total of $400.

 

Now YOU tell me how much the 2080 cost.

Price = Not a scam, Nvidia makes the chip and the suggested MSRP, then sells the chip to manufactures at which time they decide the final price with in the contract guidelines. If they wanted to sell the 2080 Ti for $100,000 they can nothing is stopping them.

your 1070 SLI are not new and bought used I'm guessing if not you bought them when they are classified as old tech, not to mention SLI has just as much compatibility as RTX in games and far less stable imo, maybe a little more but it is far older tech.

 

With your logic a fully loaded Lincoln is a scam compared to 2 2 year old Ford base versions of the same car because it's newer pricier with fancier features and doesn't fit 2x the capacity.

 

Simply put your reasons are not reasons for it to be classified as a scam.

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1 hour ago, Egg-Roll said:

Price = Not a scam,

the price of RTX cards is 100% the scam here.

 

 

1 hour ago, Egg-Roll said:

Simply put your reasons are not reasons for it to be classified as a scam.

simply put your reasoning is flawed and you should stop posting until you think long and hard about why you're wrong


Sorry about my spelling sometimes. My $1200 laptop has a $2 keyboard.

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38 minutes ago, BleachedFur said:

the price of RTX cards is 100% the scam here.

 

 

simply put your reasoning is flawed and you should stop posting until you think long and hard about why you're wrong

Fine sue Nvidia and see where your logic will go then. As they make their chips invest in new tech, they have the legal right to sell at what ever price they wish and make back costs at what ever rate they wish, and this includes their manufactures under contract they sell their chips to. They do not have a monopoly in the market, yes they have market share but they do not have what is required to make such high pricing on products illegal. So no you need to stop posting and go back to school and learn something about how businesses operate and their rights to operate.

 

Your posts make it look like you are just whiny because you bought 2 1070's (I own one and have no plan on upgrading because it works perfectly for my needs) instead of buying a 20 series card to enjoy RTX. Nothing RTX or AMD equivalent is going to be cheap at first and speaking of AMD if you don't like Nvidias business strategy/method they do make cards you know, and semi competent too.

 

Price will never mean scam unless said company holds a monopoly or if they team up with all GPU fabricators (currently only AMD, intel internals don't count really) creating a manipulated market, best example gas prices since all companies raise and lower at the same time same amounts (it's not magic).

 

Don't like price? Don't buy the product or other products by said company. Simple. 

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Is RTX a scam? IMO I really don't care if it is or not. I need a new GPU to replace my old HD5850. I'm getting a new GPU, might as well get one with all the latest and newest features. By the time I need another GPU upgrade, that card I'm going to get will have better ray tracing features and whatever new gpu technologies it's going to come with.


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There's no doubt RTX cards will be worthless faster than most and software based raytracing is already here. I wouldn't call it a scam but Nvidia is just here to make more money off of you


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3 minutes ago, BuckGup said:

There's no doubt RTX cards will be worthless faster than most and software based raytracing is already here. I wouldn't call it a scam but Nvidia is just here to make more money off of you

Isn't software based taxing on the graphics tho due to the math required? In static animations where the line of path is absolute it would be fairly easy to do, but to get what I'm guessing RTX's ultimate goal to do is would be really hard to accomplish in software with modern tech without the additional work horses.

 

This video explains it in a very simply way (jumps to the time) what I'm trying to say

 

I would give RTX 5 years before it becomes a everyday household item (or before a larger number of games come with it)

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46 minutes ago, Egg-Roll said:

Isn't software based taxing on the graphics tho due to the math required? In static animations where the line of path is absolute it would be fairly easy to do, but to get what I'm guessing RTX's ultimate goal to do is would be really hard to accomplish in software with modern tech without the additional work horses.

 

This video explains it in a very simply way (jumps to the time) what I'm trying to say

 

I would give RTX 5 years before it becomes a everyday household item (or before a larger number of games come with it)

Imagine demoed real time ray tracing on a 25W mobile GPU. AMD has shown real time ray tracing that's only software based. Now to be clear it is not the same thing Nvidia is doing but in reality the visual difference is not worth hundreds of dollars more. Secondly the tensor cores Nvidia used are already 2 generations out of date so if Nvidia releases another series with ray tracing then the current gen will be utterly worthless when trying to do ray tracing in comparison to the next gen. Also no one has a clue about the lifespan on a RT or tensorcore when run so close to a hot GPU. 


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56 minutes ago, BuckGup said:

Imagine demoed real time ray tracing on a 25W mobile GPU.

That had hardware acceleration. Also it wasn't independently verifiable.

 

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AMD has shown real time ray tracing that's only software based.

If we're talking about the Noir demo, that was relatively slow (1080p @ 30 FPS for a system that switches between a more accurate but computationally expensive ray tracing algorithm and a less accurate but computationally inexpensive one), and we don't have any numbers from it running off an RTX card for comparison.

 

Besides, Pascal and non-RT Turing can do software based RT too, on existing applications. It was never really a thing that DXR or "real-time" ray tracing required hardware acceleration.

 

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Now to be clear it is not the same thing Nvidia is doing but in reality the visual difference is not worth hundreds of dollars more.

Maybe to you.

 

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Secondly the tensor cores Nvidia used are already 2 generations out of date so if Nvidia releases another series with ray tracing then the current gen will be utterly worthless when trying to do ray tracing in comparison to the next gen.

I don't see how the hardware can be two generations out of date when Turing is the second GPU family to have them. Plus it's a matrix FMAC hardware unit. You can't really have "versions" of this other than what instructions it supports. And I can't imagine there being that many instructions for a matrix FMAC unit.

 

Also I don't see how any newer generation of either the tensor cores or RT cores will make the current generation utterly worthless by one generation unless the world switches to ray tracing overnight.

 

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Also no one has a clue about the lifespan on a RT or tensorcore when run so close to a hot GPU. 

This makes me think you think the RT and tensor cores are external to the GPU. They're not. They're in the GPU. And they're going to have the same life span as any other transistor.

 

Also nobody seems to have a clue anyway on an accurate, expected life span of a given IC.

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12 minutes ago, Mira Yurizaki said:

I don't see how the hardware can be two generations out of date when Turing is the second GPU family to have them. Plus it's a matrix FMAC hardware unit. You can't really have "versions" of this other than what instructions it supports. And I can't imagine there being that many instructions for a matrix FMAC unit.

 

Also I don't see how any newer generation of either the tensor cores or RT cores will make the current generation utterly worthless by one generation unless the world switches to ray tracing overnight.

 

This makes me think you think the RT and tensor cores are external to the GPU. They're not. They're in the GPU. And they're going to have the same life span as any other transistor.

 

Also nobody seems to have a clue anyway on an accurate, expected life span of a given IC.

They are using 2nd gen TPUs when the 3rg gen was released some time ago. They are exponentially faster and use 1/5th the power as previous versions. TPUs aren't rated for the same workload as a GPU. I can't find it now but there was a break down on the differences and it wasn't as simple as it's just silicon lol


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9 minutes ago, BuckGup said:

They are using 2nd gen TPUs when the 3rg gen was released some time ago. They are exponentially faster and use 1/5th the power as previous versions. TPUs aren't rated for the same workload as a GPU. I can't find it now but there was a break down on the differences and it wasn't as simple as it's just silicon lol

Let me guess, your sources are industry insiders that you conveniently have access to yet nobody else in the industry does.

 

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Oh, I see. You think Tensor Processing Units, i.e., the Google product (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tensor_processing_unit) is somehow the standard when it comes to hardware tensor applications.

 

Okay. I'm sure NVIDIA is licensing this tech from Google and Google isn't giving them latest and greatest 🙃

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24 minutes ago, Mira Yurizaki said:

Okay. I'm sure NVIDIA is licensing this tech from Google and Google isn't giving them latest and greatest 🙃

Somehow I have a hard time believing Nvidia paid google even a penny for their TPUs and not made their own 😂 They both have stupid amounts of money being thrown into R&D but unlike Google Nvidia is only trying to do one or 2 things so their R&D budget can look smaller but equal amounts a year in the same project (possibly more).

 

1 hour ago, BuckGup said:

Now to be clear it is not the same thing Nvidia is doing but in reality the visual difference is not worth hundreds of dollars more

This for normal users is still in it's infancy both software and hardware will only get better, we prob won't reach movie like graphics for another 15 years but I'm still sticking to 5 years for at least hardware, depending on amds layout software could be sooner. The issue with software is it's software, hardware will always work as long as it's plugged into a machine with proper drivers, software can be finicky and cumbersome to deal with and can be easily broken.

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33 minutes ago, Mira Yurizaki said:

Let me guess, your sources are industry insiders that you conveniently have access to yet nobody else in the industry does.

 

EDIT:

Oh, I see. You think Tensor Processing Units, i.e., the Google product (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tensor_processing_unit) is somehow the standard when it comes to hardware tensor applications.

 

Okay. I'm sure NVIDIA is licensing this tech from Google and Google isn't giving them latest and greatest 🙃

Lol you are still salty about that. I work at HPE so calm down lol. Also yes I was basing it off those specs from Google. As they were the first in the HPC market with them but you are right they could be completely different. 


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5 hours ago, Egg-Roll said:

Price = Not a scam, Nvidia makes the chip and the suggested MSRP, then sells the chip to manufactures at which time they decide the final price with in the contract guidelines. If they wanted to sell the 2080 Ti for $100,000 they can nothing is stopping them.

your 1070 SLI are not new and bought used I'm guessing if not you bought them when they are classified as old tech, not to mention SLI has just as much compatibility as RTX in games and far less stable imo, maybe a little more but it is far older tech.

 

With your logic a fully loaded Lincoln is a scam compared to 2 2 year old Ford base versions of the same car because it's newer pricier with fancier features and doesn't fit 2x the capacity.

 

Simply put your reasons are not reasons for it to be classified as a scam.

Except Nvidia does make their own cards they're called the founder's editions.  Why do you keep excluding them?  They're not just a chip maker, but a card maker too.   They only thing a 3rd party does is make their own sw, the pcb, and the cooler.  But, that doesn't mean Nvidia doesn't make full Turing cards and sell them themselves.  Nvidia sells theirs at the MSRP.  I can get an EVGA 2080 Ti for less than what Nvidia is asking for a worse cooler.   If I really wanted extra binning I'd go for a galax or kingpin one.

https://www.nvidia.com/en-us/shop/geforce/?page=1&limit=9&locale=en-us

Also, why would you pay even want to pay over a grand for such a small list of support?  


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9 minutes ago, Mira Yurizaki said:

You could ask this question to anyone for literally almost any hardware with a revolutionary new feature. Why are we treating NVIDIA any different here?

Because of the way Jensen misleads people into buying his crap.  I'm not saying early adopter shit isn't a problem from others, but the topic is literally about one of his latest misleading products.  He has a history of doing this.  Hairworks and PhysX are 2 prime examples of this.  I'd give him shit for SLI, but technically he just bought that and that's more on 3dfx, iirc.  Hell, he even paid off TomsHW to say shit like,  "Just buy it!"  Then Tom himself had to do damage control.

I think people would have less of a problem with Turing if Jensen stopped misleading people.  But, his way of doing business is throwing temper tantrums over competition, misleading consumers over his latest products, paying people off to back his misleading products, and even publicly shaming his own employees over simple human error.   Honestly, he sounds no different than Tim Cook.  It's one thing to have an early adopter product, but misleading the consumer is just plain out shitty and technically illegal.


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10 minutes ago, valdyrgramr said:

Because of the way Jensen misleads people into buying his crap.  I'm not saying early adopter shit isn't a problem from others, but the topic is literally about one of his latest misleading products.  He has a history of doing this.  Hairworks and PhysX are 2 prime examples of this.  I'd give him shit for SLI, but technically he just bought that and that's more on 3dfx, iirc.  Hell, he even paid off TomsHW to say shit like,  "Just buy it!"  Then Tom himself had to do damage control.

I think people would have less of a problem with Turing if Jensen stopped misleading people.  But, his way of doing business is throwing temper tantrums over competition, misleading consumers over his latest products, paying people off to back his misleading products, and even publicly shaming his own employees over simple human error.   Honestly, he sounds no different than Tim Cook.  It's one thing to have an early adopter product, but misleading the consumer is just plain out shitty and technically illegal.

The only thing I would agree was misleading is the RTX branding.

 

However I don't believe that because an arbitrary number of applications that use the new hardware features on the GeForce 20 series wasn't met that it's misleading. Otherwise let's retroactively say AMD was misleading people when they launched their first AMD 64 processor. There was almost no support for the 64-bit part of the processor. Sure there was eventually Windows XP x64 edition, but it also required 64-bit drivers, which there were few and far between. And even then, there wasn't a whole lot of 64-bit software. I remember when Far Cry and Half Life 2 had 64-bit versions and... well... they weren't any better than their 32-bit counterparts. AMD was trying to make it sound like AMD 64 and 64-bit software was going to be an improvement over the old 32-bit architectures.

 

I mean hell, I can't even find something that uses all 8 cores or 16 threads of my Ryzen processor outside of benchmarks. The way it sounded, more cores was going to be the future and things would be better for it. But uh, so far my life hasn't really changed from my 4C/8T i7-6700.

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1 minute ago, Mira Yurizaki said:

I can't even find something that uses all 8 cores or 16 threads of my Ryzen processor outside of benchmarks. The way it sounded, more cores was going to be the future and things would be better for it. But uh, so far my life hasn't really changed from my 4C/8T i7-6700.

Can you say that in the 'Intel=bad cuz vulnerability and AMD =good' thread in Tech News so I can call you a heretic jokingly?


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