Do all the 2080 gpus perform the same?

[webguy]

Hi.  I am going to be building a gaming and streaming pc and I would like to find out more information about gpus.  I play mostly competitive fps games like apex legends and pubg and I plan to use a 1440p 165hz monitor.  I will be gaming and streaming from the same pc and I will also use it for some web design work.  I plan to get an i9 9900k cpu with a rtx 2080 gpu.  I would prefer a nvidia card due to planning to use gsync and may use nvenc encoding for streaming.  There are so many different 2080 cards at different prices.  Do they all perform the same?  Do some just have better cooling?  What is the difference between a $650.00 one and an $850.00 one?

 

I was thinking about doing the asus rog strix 2080 but it is much more than different 2080 cards so does it perform better or is it a style and cooling thing?  Thanks!

[Jurrunio]

at the same frequencies, yes they act the same. Cooling and customer service are the two main things that are different from card to card that you can't change/compensate for.

[Streetguru]

31 minutes ago, webguy said:

 

They are all basically the same, the only difference is going to be the cooler, or VRM for LN2 overclocking.

But why the 9900K exactly? What do you need your PC for? and what resolution/refresh rate?

 

Should go for a used 1080ti as well instead since they're only around $500 used.

[Ankerson]

18 minutes ago, Streetguru said:

They are all basically the same, the only difference is going to be the cooler, or VRM for LN2 overclocking.

But why the 9900K exactly? What do you need your PC for? and what resolution/refresh rate?

 

Should go for a used 1080ti as well instead since they're only around $500 used.

 

The high end 1080Ti's and or good ones (And ones that actually work) are going for as much as the RTX 2080's are new.

[webguy]

49 minutes ago, Jurrunio said:

at the same frequencies, yes they act the same. Cooling and customer service are the two main things that are different from card to card that you can't change/compensate for.

Thank you for the information.  That makes sense then.  So as far as performance from better cooling then would a card with three fans be the best?

[Ankerson]

52 minutes ago, webguy said:

Hi.  I am going to be building a gaming and streaming pc and I would like to find out more information about gpus.  I play mostly competitive fps games like apex legends and pubg and I plan to use a 1440p 165hz monitor.  I will be gaming and streaming from the same pc and I will also use it for some web design work.  I plan to get an i9 9900k cpu with a rtx 2080 gpu.  I would prefer a nvidia card due to planning to use gsync and may use nvenc encoding for streaming.  There are so many different 2080 cards at different prices.  Do they all perform the same?  Do some just have better cooling?  What is the difference between a $650.00 one and an $850.00 one?

 

I was thinking about doing the asus rog strix 2080 but it is much more than different 2080 cards so does it perform better or is it a style and cooling thing?  Thanks!

 

The high end ones have beefed up VRMs, PCB's and Coolers.

 

 

[Ankerson]

Just now, webguy said:

Thank you for the information.  That makes sense then.  So as far as performance from better cooling then would a card with three fans be the best?

 

And a beefy cooler, the cooler the card stays the higher clocks it can maintain.

[webguy]

21 minutes ago, Streetguru said:

They are all basically the same, the only difference is going to be the cooler, or VRM for LN2 overclocking.

But why the 9900K exactly? What do you need your PC for? and what resolution/refresh rate?

 

Should go for a used 1080ti as well instead since they're only around $500 used.

Thank you for the information.  I want a 9900k because the tests and videos I have seen online often put the 9900k as having the best performance.  I will use the pc for gaming and streaming from the same pc until I can build a second pc for streaming.  I will also use it for web design work and video editing.  I want a really good cpu and the difference between the 9900k and a lesser cpu is only $100.00 or so and that makes me want to get the better one.  I do not really want to do any used parts in this but thank you for the recommendation.

[webguy]

4 minutes ago, Ankerson said:

 

The high end 1080Ti's and or good ones (And ones that actually work) are going for as much as the RTX 2080's are new.

That is what I had read online as well plus I do not want to do any used parts.  From what I have read many gpus have been worn out with crypto mining.

[Ankerson]

2 minutes ago, webguy said:

That is what I had read online as well plus I do not want to do any used parts.  From what I have read many gpus have been worn out with crypto mining.

 

That and other assorted things some morons do these days to their cards then pawn them off to suckers.

 

I wouldn't even think about buying a used GPU these days.

[webguy]

2 minutes ago, Ankerson said:

 

And a beefy cooler, the cooler the card stays the higher clocks it can maintain.

Ok thank you.  I know very little about computer parts but from some posts and things I have read online I was thinking about the Corsair H100i PRO liquid cooler.  I know this is not the cooler forum so I was not going to ask about that in here.  I am open to recommendations as I really want to put all the best parts together for this machine within my budget to make it work well for years to come.  I want really good cooling in it as my gaming sessions are often 10+ hours in a row or more.

[webguy]

1 minute ago, Ankerson said:

 

That and other assorted things some morons do these days to their cards then pawn them off to suckers.

 

I wouldn't even think about buying a used GPU these days.

Thank you.  That is what I thought as well.

[Streetguru]

1 minute ago, webguy said:

 

The R7 1700 can do all of that with like 80-85% of the 9900K's performance, except the R7 1700 costs $160 right now, perfectly fine for the job, especally if you're only gaming at 60hz.

 

AM4 is getting a 12 or possibly even 16 core CPU option in the near future, that'll also maybe hit 5ghz. Though you'd want a better VRM for the 16 core overclocking, and that 16 core is rumored at $499, though $599 is more likely.
 

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[Ankerson]

Just now, webguy said:

Ok thank you.  I know very little about computer parts but from some posts and things I have read online I was thinking about the Corsair H100i PRO liquid cooler.  I know this is not the cooler forum so I was not going to ask about that in here.  I am open to recommendations as I really want to put all the best parts together for this machine within my budget to make it work well for years to come.  I want really good cooling in it as my gaming sessions are often 10+ hours in a row or more.

 

 

You don't really NEED an AIO for the CPU, but if that's what you want that's fine.

[Streetguru]

3 minutes ago, webguy said:

That is what I had read online as well plus I do not want to do any used parts.  From what I have read many gpus have been worn out with crypto mining.

It's perfectly fine buying cards that were used for mining, assuming the BIOS is normal, but that's easy to fix.

[webguy]

1 minute ago, Streetguru said:

The R7 1700 can do all of that with like 80-85% of the 9900K's performance, except the R7 1700 costs $160 right now, perfectly fine for the job, especally if you're only gaming at 60hz.

 

AM4 is getting a 12 or possibly even 16 core CPU option in the near future, that'll also maybe hit 5ghz. Though you'd want a better VRM for the 16 core overclocking, and that 16 core is rumored at $499, though $599 is more likely.
 

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Thank you for the recommendation.  I am pretty set on the i9 9900k.  I like intel cpus.  Nothing bad against amd I just prefer intel.  My budget for the pc is around 2k or a little more so I do not mind spending around 25% of that budget on a really good cpu.

[Ankerson]

2 minutes ago, Streetguru said:

The R7 1700 can do all of that with like 80-85% of the 9900K's performance, except the R7 1700 costs $160 right now, perfectly fine for the job, especally if you're only gaming at 60hz.

 

AM4 is getting a 12 or possibly even 16 core CPU option in the near future, that'll also maybe hit 5ghz. Though you'd want a better VRM for the 16 core overclocking, and that 16 core is rumored at $499, though $599 is more likely.
 

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Price breakdown by merchant: https://pcpartpicker.com/list/dNkbdX/by_merchant/

CPU: AMD - Ryzen 7 1700 3 GHz 8-Core Processor  ($159.89 @ OutletPC)
Motherboard: Gigabyte - B450 AORUS ELITE ATX AM4 Motherboard  ($108.98 @ Newegg Business)
Total: $268.87
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He isn't though, planning on a 1440P 165Hz gaming.

[webguy]

5 minutes ago, Ankerson said:

He isn't though, planning on a 1440P 165Hz gaming.

That is true.  I am thinking about doing a 240hz monitor but I want a 27" monitor and I have read the 1080p is not great on 27".  I want a powerful cpu that will be good even with upgrades to different parts in the future.  It may be more than is needed but it is only a little more than lesser cpus so I figure why not spend a little more and get one of the best available.

[Ankerson]

Just now, webguy said:

That is true.  I am thinking about doing a 240hz monitor but I want a 27" monitor and I have read the 1080p is not great on 27".  I want a powerful cpu that will be good even with upgrades to different parts in the future.  It may be more than is needed but it is only a little more than lesser cpus so I figure why not spend a little more and get one of the best available.

 

I run a 27" 1440P 165Hz Monitor and it works and looks great.

 

240Hz is marketing these days, maybe in the future it might have more merit.

 

 

[webguy]

4 minutes ago, Ankerson said:

 

I run a 27" 1440P 165Hz Monitor and it works and looks great.

 

240Hz is marketing these days, maybe in the future it might have more merit.

 

 

Thank you.  I am really glad to hear that.  I was originally looking at a 24.5 240hz 1080p monitor but posting here on the forum and looking at monitors of different sizes in the store I think 27" is the right size for me at my desk.  I am glad to hear that the 27" 1440p 165hz is a good setup.

[Ankerson]

2 minutes ago, webguy said:

Thank you.  I am really glad to hear that.  I was originally looking at a 24.5 240hz 1080p monitor but posting here on the forum and looking at monitors of different sizes in the store I think 27" is the right size for me at my desk.  I am glad to hear that the 27" 1440p 165hz is a good setup.

 

It's pretty much ideal really.

[Jurrunio]

32 minutes ago, webguy said:

Thank you for the information.  That makes sense then.  So as far as performance from better cooling then would a card with three fans be the best?

Also the VRM cooling part. Not directly related to GPU performance but affects durability a lot.

 

whether it's the best though, usually not. Many dual fan cards perform just as well with a few degrees hotter and cost much less.

[Ankerson]

11 minutes ago, Jurrunio said:

Also the VRM cooling part. Not directly related to GPU performance but affects durability a lot.

 

whether it's the best though, usually not. Many dual fan cards perform just as well with a few degrees hotter and cost much less.

 

The 2 fan beefy cooler models are pretty good like the EVGA 2080 XC Ultra and the like.

 

It's not the 2080 FTW3, but it's OK as they stay pretty cool.

 

Just stay away from the skinny cooler models as some seem to be finding out the hard way, they don't OC as well or boost as high as the other ones do.

 

You really have to pay attention to what you are buying with the RTX cards.

[Jurrunio]

24 minutes ago, Ankerson said:

Just stay away from the skinny cooler models as some seem to be finding out the hard way,

https://www.eteknix.com/palit-gaming-pro-oc-rtx-2080-graphics-card-review/7/

 

Not even those are that terrible, especially if you put time into replacing the thermal paste, tuning the voltage and fan curve. This review does neither of that, while 48dBA is not quiet the GPU only reaches 72C.

[Ankerson]

9 hours ago, Jurrunio said:

https://www.eteknix.com/palit-gaming-pro-oc-rtx-2080-graphics-card-review/7/

 

Not even those are that terrible, especially if you put time into replacing the thermal paste, tuning the voltage and fan curve. This review does neither of that, while 48dBA is not quiet the GPU only reaches 72C.

 

Never said they were terrible, they are still 2080's and 2080Ti's.

 

It's just that SOME seem to be buying them and thinking they can get the same performance as the high end cards, that's with both the 2080 and 2080Ti's.

 

Not sure were they are getting those ideas from, the budget gurus I suppose?

 

They can't, the high end cards have better cooling, PCB, VRMs, higher clock speeds and boost out of the box, then start OCing them. (There are actually good reasons why they cost more)

 

The 2080Ti FTW3 Ultra is a MONSTER...