Daegun

1 hour ago, Brooksie359 said:

Are you serious? All you could come up with is that they had interfamily marriage in a time when it was not know the adverse effects of inbreeding? I would hardly call that noteworthy. 

Sorry, I dropped this 

/s

4 minutes ago, Brooksie359 said:

 Luxembourg. what have they done

They were ruled for hundred of years by the hapsburgs, the most infamous family of inbreeders. 

1 minute ago, Drak3 said:

Principality of Sealand.

Woah man, I didn't ask for the dark souls of country choices here. Dude just wanted to broadcast radio without censorship, can't fault him there. 

11 minutes ago, suits said:

If you don't know you should probably go world history 101 at your local school, WW1, WW2.

Alright, name your preferred country and we'll pick apart all of its choices and tell you why you can't trust them currently because of the actions of people that aren't even alive anymore. 

I'm personally all for this. The amount of resources saved is good no matter how you look at it. I just wonder, have they managed to find a way to grow these meats while switching away from the fetal bovine serum they've used so far? That has been the biggest thing holding them back. 

Wow. Now I usually think it's stupid when a companies stock drops after missing not their own projected earnings but a third parties (like what happened when Facebook dropped 24% after reporting earnings of 13.2 billion instead of 13.3), but missing projections by more than 20% is insane. I wonder who's going to be fired here. 

Edit: I assume whoever was going to be fired already has been. I hadn't followed nvidia stock closely and they're down more than 42% in the last 1 1/2 months.

2 minutes ago, Amazonsucks said:

Trump talked about making it difficult for China before he even got elected. The people who run Foxconn arent stupid(unethical yes). They knew Trump would hit China with tarrifs so obviously they wanted to get ahead of an administration that would be hostile to them.

I mean, we're getting pretty far into ifs at that point. Being tough on China in trade doesn't necessitate tariffs, there were certainly other ways to go about fixing the imbalance, this is just the one that was chosen. Not to mention the announcement being made in 2017 means that it was a significant length of time before that happened that discussions began. 

Oh baby, it's finally happening. Mass storage is going to become so cheap. 

19 minutes ago, Amazonsucks said:

It disincentivizes companies from selling out to china and makes the ones that have repatriate their manufacturing.

 

Also Foxconn is opening a huge plant in the US as a rsult of trade pressures. The tarriffs are working beautifully.

 

Though personally id rather there be a full embargo on chinese made stuff like we have with other hostile nations.

The foxconn factory has nothing to do with the tariffs, it was announced in 2017. What does impact it is the 3 billion in tax breaks and subsidies they're getting over the next 15 years.

What a thread, at what point does this get locked over how off topic and political its gotten? 

Damn this got real political real fast. 

This seemed a bit inevitable, we were let know what would likely have tariffs on them if this 200 billion in tariffs went forward and that the president was really pushing for them. I guess if you planned to upgrade, buy sooner rather than later? 

4 minutes ago, TVwazhere said:

Pauls isnt

Damn, that's just painful

Ouch, that bad of cost:performance ratio and all the graphs are using the lower msrp that no one is selling at. So stay away unless you're an early adopter it seems. 

A lot of people don't seem to realize, he isn't being sued for some random insult. Elon doubled down on the claim a second time at a later date. I guarantee this suit wouldn't have been brought were it not for that. 

The backlash against this seems a little ridiculous.

I'm actually surprised that if we've had this system for so long now, it's never been tested before. If something major happens to the country, I'd like to know about it. I don't get to watch TV or listen to the radio all day long so this would certainly reach me faster than anything else. 

18 minutes ago, syn2112 said:

it was more like to completely destroy Vega 56 and 64 sales, they were hot and noisy and consumed ALOT of power, there was no reason at all to buy them, and mostly vega 64 performed below the 1080 or even the 1070 sometimes.

 

who said the 1070 Ti cannibalized the sales? selling the 1070 Ti increased their profit, it's basically a cut down 1080, so all the failed 1080 chips that would've became 1070, are now 1070 Ti which are sold at a higher price, so it increases their profits, and anyone who wanted to buy a 1080 bought a 1080, just for bragging rights and name.

 

also not to mention that from day one Vega 56 and 64 were taken by miners and it was impossible to buy them because of the insane prices.. even right now the prices didn't go down to MSRP.. 

 

http://ir.amd.com/news-releases/news-release-details/expanding-our-high-performance-leadership-focused-7nm

 

"including our first 7nm GPU planned to launch later this year and our first 7nm server CPU that we plan to launch in 2019."

 

I made a post about this before as well. It turns out the one launching in 2018 is vega 20, which is also on 7nm. Navi is yet to be announced. 

21 minutes ago, GoldenLag said:

i believe we have been expecting this since march after a roadmap update, at the launch of threadripper it was "confirmed" after they showed off a die i believe. between march and then it was a loose rumour, but got more and more solid through the summer as small details came to light

16 minutes ago, Trixanity said:

The 7nm GPU in question is a Vega GPU for machine learning which has been known for many months now (at least since computex officially).

Navi is still slated for 2019. No word on when but probably 2H unless they can somehow pick up the pace.

My bad, I didn't realize that. Guess I jumped the gun a little bit here. 

4 minutes ago, yolosnail said:

Wasn't this announced a while back?

I looked and all I could find was articles in the last day or so and ones about Navi being on 7nm, nothing about it launching this year. 

I'm a little surprised nothing has been posted about this (unless I'm just blind and missed it). 

http://ir.amd.com/news-releases/news-release-details/expanding-our-high-performance-leadership-focused-7nm

Quote

AMD’s next major milestone is the introduction of our upcoming 7nm product portfolio, including the initial products with our second generation “Zen 2” CPU core and our new “Navi” GPU architecture. We have already taped out multiple 7nm products at TSMC, including our first 7nm GPU planned to launch later this year and our first 7nm server CPU that we plan to launch in 2019.

AMD themselves confirm that they've already taped out 7nm products with at least one 7nm GPU launching later this year. Whether or not it's a consumer gpu is still yet to be announced but this is exciting either way. 

Personally I don't think this is the best news for nvidia. Not that it's likely to harm them much or take market share, but amd is announcing they're leapfrogging them in node at a time when people are outraged about the prices of the 2000 series.

Performance per watt is different as performance doesn't scale straight up like that. For example, vega does amazingly well at lower powers but vega 64 still struggles to hold its own against the 1080. So I don't see this as an announcement of double performance. 

8 minutes ago, mynameisjuan said:

Well I mean most people that complain about prices give a price that they "think is right", like $299 should be the highest for a 2080ti.

 

I would never call out someone for saying they're poor though

I don't mean you in particular, and anyone that thinks they should be that low is crazy. But all the people responding that we should just accept 20-50% price increase and give no other reasoning for it than 'you should be able to afford it in this hobby' are out of touch. 

10 more pages and we're still on the 'if you complain about the price you're too poor to afford it' stuff

Why does being angry about a $300+ price hike mean you're poor or shouldn't be in this hobby? Anyone would get their feathers ruffled by it, no matter the hobby. That's a big jump. Imagine the outrage if nvidia priced their top end i5 at $500+ next gen. No one would stand for it, but for some reason when it comes to gpus and nvidia in particular we're just told that we're the ones at fault for being angry. That we should just accept it because that's how things are. 

Edit: I realize the joke of 'top end i5' but I meant the i5 k sku that everyone recommends each gen. 

My God, $600 for a 2070. Nvidia is out of their collective minds here. 

15 hours ago, kirashi said:

Turning left at 160mph is an unrealistic and unsafe scenario. Wanting to get the best performance while having 50 Chrome tabs open (or doing any other heavy workload task) is a realistic scenario. You're not comparing apples with apples here, and an average user will indeed notice it if they had doubles of the EXACT same hardware side-by-side running both a patched BIOS and OS on one system, and an unpatched BIOS and OS on the other.

 

Even the manufacturers and software developers have confirmed it will use more hardware resources to help secure things, and yet users are not receiving any compensation for this. In the case of Chrome, users will lose up to 10% of their RAM over this, and with RAM price fixing still at play, it's not even fair to tell people to "just buy more RAM" to help with this increase in usage. https://mobilesyrup.com/2018/07/13/google-chromes-new-meltdown-and-spectre-safeguard-is-a-memory-hog/

This is absolutely an apples to apples comparison, as much as the analogy will allow. It's unrealistic? That's the entire point of the analogy, that it's not a realistic scenario for the average driver to run into, just as the only significantly impacted workloads are something that's not realistic for the average user to run into. The only workloads that were affected more than 3% were ones that were specific to servers, and not even all servers, just certain types.

If someone had the exact same hardware side by side, one patched and one not, it would be unlikely that they would be able to tell without some tool like an fps counter or performance numbers from a test to tell them the difference. I haven't noticed anything on my own rig since updating and, being a member of a tech forum, I'm certainly not an average user.

Chrome has nothing to do with Intel or the bios and os patches for the processor. They have, admitted by their own team, an incredibly unoptimized patch at the moment that they're working on. If you look at other browsers it's easy to tell that this is an exception and not the rule.

While spectre and meltdown are both serious, the performance penalties for Intel in particular have been inflated to insanely unrealistic proportions.

5 minutes ago, Hellion said:

If I purchase a car with 200 horse power and take it back to the dealer or a repair facility for a recall and it is returned to me with 160 horse power while being told "it's not a big deal, you won't notice a difference" regardless whether or not that's the case,  it is still morally wrong. I paid for 200 horse power and expect that level to be maintained throughout my ownership if regular maintainance is performed on the vehicle.

A more proper analogy keeping with the car theme would be this:

Every company that makes engines has a problem with their engines and they fix them, but the fix causes a bit of a problem. Your engine still has the same horsepower as before, but when turning left you can't go over 160mph. Not only do you or any average person not notice it, you aren't even affected by it. The only ones affected by it are Nascar drivers and, indirectly, people that watch Nascar.