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#1 Gorgatron

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Posted 13 July 2013 - 02:08 PM

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Lately I have been seeing plenty of "What soundcard should I get?" threads. My suggestion? Stop buying soundcards, they suck in my honest opinion. I think in nearly every thread me and a few others recommend an external card. I'm going to explain a little about this magnificent device and why it is awesome. First I'm going to start with the benefits

 

-USB. Meaning no EMI or annoying static from other components. Great for laptops too! No drivers requried! Just plug-n-play

-Headphone amp AND lineout. Meaning you can use your headphones, or plug in your speakers in the back with 3.5mm

- Sample rate 24-bit/96kHz. I don't feel like explaining this right now because I'm at work but I know you audiophiles will like this.

-Impedance: Supports headphones from 16 to 300 ohms. This means MOST headphones you will use will work just fine.

-+3dB headphone bass boost. This feature is AMAZING! I have yet to turn this feature off. This makes my Koss PortaPro's SUPERFUN.

-Coaxial output. For receivers/speakers? Not a huge A/V person so I'm not entirely sure.

-Small. This thing is small and my package came in a tin can so I consider it easy and portable for travel

-Price. $63.99 on Amazon right now

 

Negatives:

-High gain is +10dB. This nearly destroyed my ears for a second. +3dB is the low gain which is default. Don't change this unless you know what you are doing.

-When speakers AND headphones are plugged in the audio comes out on BOTH devices. I have yet to test this with Coaxial but I'm assuming this would happen as well.

 

 

Main product page: http://fiio.com.cn/p...100000028262517

 

 

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Posted 13 July 2013 - 02:10 PM

Great writeup. One of my pet peeves is when people automatically recommend a sound card without realizing the benefits of external solutions.


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Posted 13 July 2013 - 02:14 PM

Would you mind doing an external dac breakdown for different price points? It would be great having that type of resource here in the forum
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Posted 13 July 2013 - 02:22 PM

Great writeup. One of my pet peeves is when people automatically recommend a sound card without realizing the benefits of external solutions.

 

Thanks! I appreciate feedback.

Would you mind doing an external dac breakdown for different price points? It would be great having that type of resource here in the forum

I'm not a total expert anymore but I could look for the other alternatives depending on budget. I'll have to do this later unfortunately. The main idea of this post was to introduce people to amps/dacs and not deal with sound cards.


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Posted 13 July 2013 - 02:26 PM

The main idea of this post was to introduce people to amps/dacs and not deal with sound cards.

The Fiio E17 is also a great portable DAC/amp, and doesn't need to be plugged in to be used, allowing it to be, say, in your pocket attached to your phone while travelling.


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Posted 13 July 2013 - 02:34 PM

The Fiio E17 is also a great portable DAC/amp, and doesn't need to be plugged in to be used, allowing it to be, say, in your pocket attached to your phone while travelling.

I forgot all about this. I used to have this with the Fiio E9 but I never took it anywhere.


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Posted 13 July 2013 - 04:24 PM

 

-+3dB headphone bass boost. This feature is AMAZING! I have yet to turn this feature off. This makes my Koss PortaPro's SUPERFUN.

 

 

Why would you do that?

there's sooo much bass already.

 

actually I have a possible +15db of bass on my m^3 

hmmm


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Posted 13 July 2013 - 04:27 PM

Would you mind doing an external dac breakdown for different price points? It would be great having that type of resource here in the forum

 

$30 - Behringer UCA202 (http://www.amazon.co...e/dp/B000KW2YEI)

DO NOT USE THE HEADPHONE OUT! Great for the line outs though with a receiver or powered speakers

 

$80 - FiiO E10

 

$120 - FiiO E17

 

$200 - iFi iDAC (http://www.ifi-audio.com/en/iDAC.html <- look at their site. Look at it and LAUGH!)

 

$200 - Schiit Magni+Modi (very high gain for sensitive headphones)

 

$285 - O2+ODAC (Mayflower Electronics is still cheapest in US.  Any JDSLabs distributor can be trusted since they all get their parts and build to spec, beware of ebay!)

 

Benchmark makes nice stuff above the $1000 pricepoint if you'd like those features... but I don't think that's reasonable to list for the mere mortals we are.


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Posted 13 July 2013 - 04:31 PM

Why would you do that?

there's sooo much bass already.

 

actually I have a possible +15db of bass on my m^3 

hmmm

 

louder = "detailed", "clean", "rich", "musical", "up-front", "full"

 

well, it's really just louder, but there's no way to convince people that have already made up their minds.


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Posted 13 July 2013 - 04:42 PM

louder = "detailed", "clean", "rich", "musical", "up-front", "full"

 

 

that much bass isn't musical or full, it's just ear shaking.


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Posted 13 July 2013 - 04:59 PM

I have one!

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Posted 13 July 2013 - 10:14 PM

The Fiio E17 is also a great portable DAC/amp, and doesn't need to be plugged in to be used, allowing it to be, say, in your pocket attached to your phone while travelling.

 

$120 - FiiO E17

 

Just thinking the majority of people are asking for home use recommendations as they are asking for a soundcard so would the E17 be an upgrade over the E10 for home use. Of course it is portable but with a mobile device you are not using the DAC so it would just be a portable amp.


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Posted 14 July 2013 - 01:15 AM

wait wait you had the e17 and e09 combination and prefer the e10 option over that?



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Posted 14 July 2013 - 01:47 AM

I don't know if it's just my E10, but it's really sensitive to cellphone interference while using headphones.



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Posted 14 July 2013 - 05:07 AM

Couldn't afford a E10 because I had $100 and needed a new heatsink, so instead I got a Fiio D03k and a Fiio E6. WOW! what difference from stock ALC 889 to a receiver. There is just so much more balance and instrument separation.


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Posted 14 July 2013 - 06:24 AM

wait wait you had the e17 and e09 combination and prefer the e10 option over that?

 

I think I heard the dac is about the same in both, but the e17 can be used portably and the e9 has a more powerful amp.


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Posted 14 July 2013 - 06:40 AM

I think I heard the dac is about the same in both, but the e17 can be used portably and the e9 has a more powerful amp.

 

E9 also has a 10 Ohm output impedance

 

 

Just thinking the majority of people are asking for home use recommendations as they are asking for a soundcard so would the E17 be an upgrade over the E10 for home use. Of course it is portable but with a mobile device you are not using the DAC so it would just be a portable amp.

 

 

the E7 and E17 can be used as stand-alone units as far as I remember.  It has an electronic volume control and is really not much of an upgrade, but some people like the form factor and the volume control so I listed it.


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Posted 14 July 2013 - 06:47 AM

the E7 and E17 can be used as stand-alone units as far as I remember.  It has an electronic volume control and is really not much of an upgrade, but some people like the form factor and the volume control so I listed it.

 

To use the DAC in the E17 while on the go you would need a portable device with optical / coax out which all but the high end players don't have.


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Posted 14 July 2013 - 07:25 AM

To use the DAC in the E17 while on the go you would need a portable device with optical / coax out which all but the high end players don't have.

 

You can't charge it up then plug it into a laptop with a usb cable then plug your headphones into it?


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Posted 14 July 2013 - 07:29 AM

I think he was talking about an ipod or mobile phone situation as "on the go"






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