RTX and who are these people?

[AlfaProto]

The RTX launched had me looking through comments on YouTube, they complain that the pricing of the RTX cards are too expensive for them, and I became quite curious.

 

A. Who are these guys with 10-series cards, and upgrading to 20-series for these reasons:

1. MP (multi-player) games like CSGO, Overwatch, PUBG. They are running some details at the lowest settings, and still managed to get 60fps+.
2. They just bought it when they knew that the 20-series is just right around (1-3 months old).

B. Where's your savings when you are holding a 3-4 year old cards from either team?

C. This is hard to explain but they basically, were not satisfied with a high end card, and purchase every release high end card like nobody.

 

The first A point. I have friends who are gamers too, they told me that they are playing PUBG, CSGO, DOTA2. Just for curiosity sake, I asked them if they will be playing single player, 3A games, and few of them said just one or twice, not all day. Those really have knowledge into PC building, they even stated that they played PUBG and CSGO with the so-called competitive graphical settings. With that in mind, I recommend them getting an i5-8400 (AMD equivalent tier is R5 14/500) with a 1060/70.

 

Sure, there are two of them, with my cousin who streams that stopped me saying that they do stream, and suggest getting a better CPU, but I counter them that I do record gameplay footage, but I don't use the CPU, I use i/dGPU. I even go to my cousin's house to lend my system for a day to stream.

 

1. Stream with his PC, i5-2320, but with my 1070. Streaming software is OBS to Twitch, using QS and NVENC with Twitch recommended settings. I asked him to play Overwatch, because it's a fast pace FPS, and there's really no difference at all. Plus, thinking of AMD Ryzen launch demo, no one is going to scrutinise every frame that you are streaming.
2. Stream with my PC, i7-6700K with 1070, same thing, hard to tell the difference between the two.

Although, I note that there's a quality difference between the Intel HD 2000 and 530. The 530 fairs better, it was less blocky, when moving from a screen full of the same colour to a more abstract scene (wall to an intense fight).

 

The second A point, I mean, can't you get a temporary graphics card? I had a GTX 570 since 2012, and eagerly waiting for June 2016. So on February, I purchased a second hand 750Ti for $70. Once I got my 1070, I basically could sell the 750Ti, but I decided to keep it as a spare part. I already saved $2-3K for a 1080, but retail, they were all out of stock. I decided to get the 1070 FE (close to $1k during launch month), since it was colour neutral, and that FE shroud, it just screams premium, with a first look, without you doubting it, it screams it's metal, the only plastic part is the window heatsink and fan. I could get a 1070 aftermarket, but to me, they were ugly and long. Triple fans, and not-so-colour neutral.

 

This sounds really weird, but I prefer having my system stable, so I do lower the power limit of my 1070 to 70%, my 6700K is not OC, I just bought it because of its OoTB higher clock speed than the 6700. Even if I OC it, I probably just make it from 40 to 41. The motherboard: Z170A Gaming Pro Carbon, what do I have to say? It's colour neutral, and 7+1 USB ports. There's the Z170A-Pro, but it's not like the Z77A-G45 and Z77A-G45 Gaming, where the only difference is the Killer Ethernet, Audio and Lucid Virtu MvP, but the Z77A-G45 Gaming doesn't exist yet (it's not out of stock, just doesn't exist yet) during my purchase. I could go with a H170 or B150 chipset, but there's something odd about the motherboard. It doesn't feel like they swap the Z170 with a H170, they really did a whole lot to the board. Finally, the RAM is running at XMP.

 

I digress. Continuing, unless the 20-series is a surprised launched, I really feel bad for you.

 

The second point A can be said for point B. I had a 570, a 5-6 year old card, I was able to save up a purchase a 1070. Even if I had taken the another route, waiting the graphics card after 10-series, I would have done the same thing, during launch month, I purchase a 2080. Currently, the cheapest 2080, dual fan, and colour neutral is the same price as a 1080 FE/Aftermarket during launch, 1.2-1.5K, the expensive is 2.2K. Plus, who bought a new card, of a new series, which is less than 3 months old? I recommend to my friends, who are eyeing on an upgrade from an older generation of cards (like 6/700 series) to a new one, to wait for 6 months, within 6 months, AMD or Nvidia could fork out a sweet spot card, or even if they are still eyeing on a high end card, it's probably that the price drop significantly (before the mining craze start, Aftermarket 1070 were like $600-800).

 

Point C : That's like saying, I have a Ford Mustang 2018, and Ford is releasing a Mustang 19, there's little difference in the exterior, but they got some minor add-on which is not available on the 2018 model, I have to immediately upgrade my Mustang 18 to the 19, even the HP increase is just 50 BHP.

 

I have a 1070, and basically happy with it, no point in upgrading. Productivity apps still do not support GPU RT only, it's a mixed of CPU+GPU, Adobe is very slow at adopting new technology (e.g. Premiere has QS support, which they could have implemented it a long time ago since 2011/12) (Photoshop has 3D option and ray tracing, but it's using CPU). I would upgrade to the 20-series, if there are productivity app that supports RT fully on the GPU, and the RT gains are worth the cost.

 

To end off:

 

I am surprised that the 2070 is no longer a 4K entry card, but rather a 4K capable card, and the 2080Ti can handle 4K easily, which to me, is impressive. The 1080Ti was just capable. For the competition, AMD, means that the RX 580 maybe fighting up against the 2050/60, instead of 2070 in tier-to-tier comparison.

 

[Fasauceome]

4 minutes ago, AlfaProto said:

For the competition, AMD, means that the RX 580 maybe fighting up against the 2050/60, instead of 2070 in tier-to-tier comparison.

The RX 580 won't be against the 2060 because a) it's already competing against 1060 and b) because AMD won't just ignore putting out a new product by that time.

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Stream with his PC, i5-2320, but with my 1070. Streaming software is OBS to Twitch, using QS and NVENC with Twitch recommended settings. I asked him to play Overwatch, because it's a fast pace FPS, and there's really no difference at all. Plus, thinking of AMD Ryzen launch demo, no one is going to scrutinise every frame that you are streaming.

I'm just gonna attack this one small thing here-

NVENC is just a solution if you're looking to stream only. It's really not great great when it comes to quality vs bitrate, which is terrible for archiving videos. It's much better to cpu encode your recorded streams. This can also be a problem if you simply want to stream and record different settings as well- a lot of people stream with NVENC and record with CPU encoding of some kind. I can archive game footage at about 1GiB an hour with CPU encoding at decent quality. I've yet to find a way to do that with NVENC. This is why I have a dedicated streaming and recording PC, I don't want to record everything in high NVENC bitrate and dump into handbrake all the time. (that and I record up to three players)

When you're looking for a "streaming PC", you're looking for a couple of extra cores to help you cpu encode. (Smarter thing is just to use your old hardware though). I always thought you should have 2 more cores than you need to game comfortably anyway- export that video or render that blender while gaming. 

[Princess Luna]

We have 4k capable cards since Maxwell, if only people would stop obsessing about Ultra settings...

[Syntaxvgm]

1 minute ago, Princess Cadence said:

We have 4k capable cards since Maxwell, if only people would stop obsessing about Ultra settings...

Pretty much. If I had more time, I'd make a website and youtube purely dedicated to medium/ "tuned" benchmarks. 

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The second A point, I mean, can't you get a temporary graphics card?

I just ordered a friend  a kick ass PC, but we're just dropping a used 970 in it. Was 110$, 125 with shipping. 

He'll probably upgrade in a while to another sub 200$ option. It's really where its at. 

[Jurrunio]

28 minutes ago, AlfaProto said:

A. Who are these guys with 10-series cards, and upgrading to 20-series for these reasons:

1. MP (multi-player) games like CSGO, Overwatch, PUBG. They are running some details at the lowest settings, and still managed to get 60fps+.
2. They just bought it when they knew that the 20-series is just right around (1-3 months old).

they rich

 

28 minutes ago, AlfaProto said:

B. Where's your savings when you are holding a 3-4 year old cards from either team?

if the old card is fast enough, then you save that money for a new card

 

29 minutes ago, AlfaProto said:

C. This is hard to explain but they basically, were not satisfied with a high end card, and purchase every release high end card like nobody.

money money money money is what they have, and attention is what they want

[Mira Yurizaki]

35 minutes ago, AlfaProto said:

A. Who are these guys with 10-series cards, and upgrading to 20-series for these reasons:

1. MP (multi-player) games like CSGO, Overwatch, PUBG. They are running some details at the lowest settings, and still managed to get 60fps+.
2. They just bought it when they knew that the 20-series is just right around (1-3 months old).

These people just want the latest and greatest thing and money is either no object or they don't have good command of it.

 

35 minutes ago, AlfaProto said:

B. Where's your savings when you are holding a 3-4 year old cards from either team?

Assuming this is two-three generations, then you're just saving the amount of money you would've spent on the card you would've purchased. If you like buying high-end cards, then you're spending $600-$800 every 3-4 years instead of every 1-2.

 

However you can sell off your old card, so if they go that route, then that lessens the amount of money they'd have to spend all things considered

 

25 minutes ago, Princess Cadence said:

We have 4k capable cards since Maxwell, if only people would stop obsessing about Ultra settings...

I would also add "and demanding 60 FPS all the time every time", but I feel that's throwing rocks at a hornet's nest.