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All the talk about 9th gen i9 and i7, but what about the lower end?

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I don't want the i9, or i7 or even i3, I want the Pentium and Celeron. Why no one talk about these? where can we expect the lower end chips? 

 

Anyone? 

 

 

 

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1 minute ago, Lumikor said:

Why no one talk about these?

Well, Intel's not talking about them cause new releases are apparently a long while away and everyone else isn't talking about them cause there are no legit leaks ( cause releases are a long while away) or fake leaks ( cause Pentiums and Celerons aren't exciting enough to warrant them).

And as far as I can tell, the whole point of '9th gen' was upped core count for the top SKU and soldered TIMs, so there might not be any '9th gen' Celerons or Pentiums, cause those certainly aren't getting any more cores or soldered TIM.

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Because there aren't any new ones out?

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11 minutes ago, Granular said:

Well, Intel's not talking about them cause new releases are apparently a long while away and everyone else isn't talking about them cause there are no legit leaks ( cause releases are a long while away) or fake leaks ( cause Pentiums and Celerons aren't exciting enough to warrant them).

And as far as I can tell, the whole point of '9th gen' was upped core count for the top SKU and soldered TIMs, so there might not be any '9th gen' Celerons or Pentiums, cause those certainly aren't getting any more cores or soldered TIM.

Granular nailed it. I think should answer it if thats what you're looking for.

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i5 9600K is an i7 8700 without hyper-threading and with 3mb less Lvl3 Cache now, stock clocks wise.

 

Pretty much the lower end only difference is slightly higher clocks like skylake to kaby lake was, nothing exciting.

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Intel low end tends to trickle down after the launch of a product, and they rarely have a more powerful mainstream version. So ignoring the X series enthusiast stuff, the high end is going to be the most powerful and the best to showcase what to expect and how much of a percentage/performance upgrade we might see in the mobile and lower end chips. And lets not forget that they also didn't announce a core i3 this time, meaning that we have less knowledge, which leads to more speculation than educated guesses.

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I doubt that 9th gen will see any lower-end cpus like Pentium. Even if, they would be same as the G4560/G5400 and have a tiny bit higher clock speeds. For sure no more cores. 

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why would anyone want them anyway? For cheap CPUs Zen kills all.

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3 hours ago, Jurrunio said:

why would anyone want them anyway? For cheap CPUs Zen kills all.

I don't want AMD for many reason, the why is my own business.

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3 minutes ago, Lumikor said:

I don't want AMD for many reason, the why is my own business.

No one cares why.  The fact still stands that ryzen is the way to go on a tight budget right now. 

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4 minutes ago, Reznik said:

No one cares why.  The fact still stands that ryzen is the way to go on a tight budget right now. 

I haven't asked about your opinion about AMD on that issue, this is thread about INTEL 9th gen Pentium and Celeron, not about AMD, not about performance and definitely not about what you think about it. If you have any problem with the topic of THIS thread, please go ahead and open your own thread. 

 

Thank you and have a nice weekend. 

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9 hours ago, Granular said:

Well, Intel's not talking about them cause new releases are apparently a long while away and everyone else isn't talking about them cause there are no legit leaks ( cause releases are a long while away) or fake leaks ( cause Pentiums and Celerons aren't exciting enough to warrant them).

And as far as I can tell, the whole point of '9th gen' was upped core count for the top SKU and soldered TIMs, so there might not be any '9th gen' Celerons or Pentiums, cause those certainly aren't getting any more cores or soldered TIM.

Yeah, but they’d get higher clock speeds and maybe better RAM speeds.

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5 hours ago, Lumikor said:

I don't want AMD for many reason, the why is my own business.

I'm certain that Coffee Lake Refresh Pentiums and Celerons will be exactly the same as Coffee Lake ones, just different names and default clock speeds (won't be anywhere high either). Might as well just get Coffee Lake ones and not wait.

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