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[WeedIsMySin]

my windos operates on 64 bit. when i opened task manager while playing a game it said that company of heroes 2 was running at 32 bit. Does this matter?

[dcgreen2k]

No, it happens on games and other programs that aren't specifically designed for 64 bit operating systems, if I remember correctly. Your games should still work just fine.

[bobbytommerson]

U may not be able to use more than 4gigs of ram and your cpu might be underutilised but otherwise its fine

[WeedIsMySin]

3 minutes ago, bobbytommerson said:

U may not be able to use more than 4gigs of ram and your cpu might be underutilised but otherwise its fine

Thats a shame considering i have an 8700k and 16GB ram lol

[chiller15]

@bobbytommerson Whilst that information is correct for users running 32-bit versions of Windows, that is incorrect for @WeedIsMySin. They have a 64-bit OS, therefore can use the full 16GB of RAM.

 

64-bit Windows can run 32-bit applications. Company of Heroes 2 has been made as a 32-bit application, which is why it shows up like that in Task Manager.

[LukeSavenije]

1 minute ago, chiller15 said:

@bobbytommerson Whilst that information is correct for users running 32-bit versions of Windows, that is incorrect for @WeedIsMySin. They have a 64-bit OS, therefore can use the full 16GB of RAM.

 

64-bit Windows can run 32-bit applications. Company of Heroes 2 has been made as a 32-bit application, which is why it shows up like that in Task Manager.

just a question for my knowledge too, if i run a x64 system with a x86 program, will it run with the full 16 gigs or not?

[TetraSky]

3 minutes ago, LukeSavenije said:

just a question for my knowledge too, if i run a x64 system with a x86 program, will it run with the full 16 gigs or not?

That specific app will be limited to 4GB of RAM but the rest of the system can use all of it.

[asus killer]

17 minutes ago, LukeSavenije said:

just a question for my knowledge too, if i run a x64 system with a x86 program, will it run with the full 16 gigs or not?

it's really not an issue because if it's a 32 bit app it was never meant to use more then 4Gb anyway.

[Master Disaster]

12 minutes ago, TetraSky said:

That specific app will be limited to 4GB of RAM but the rest of the system can use all of it.

Which is 100% fine as X86 applications would only be programmed to address 3.5GBs of RAM in total anyway.

 

@LukeSavenije

 

Without getting into to much detail Windows X64 contains what is essentially a Windows X86 emulator inside of it, whenever a 32 bit application tries to run WOW64 seamlessly takes over and handles the translation of information between the 64 bit OS and the 32 bit application.

 

For more details read - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/WoW64

[bobbytommerson]

25 minutes ago, chiller15 said:

@bobbytommerson Whilst that information is correct for users running 32-bit versions of Windows, that is incorrect for @WeedIsMySin. They have a 64-bit OS, therefore can use the full 16GB of RAM.

 

64-bit Windows can run 32-bit applications. Company of Heroes 2 has been made as a 32-bit application, which is why it shows up like that in Task Manager.

 

23 minutes ago, LukeSavenije said:

just a question for my knowledge too, if i run a x64 system with a x86 program, will it run with the full 16 gigs or not?

Oh thanks for the info

[AlTech]

3 minutes ago, Master Disaster said:

Which is 100% fine as X86 applications would only be programmed to address 3.5GBs of RAM in total anyway.

 

@LukeSavenije

 

Without getting into to much detail Windows X64 contains what is essentially a Windows X86 emulator inside of it, whenever a 32 bit application tries to run WOW64 seamlessly takes over and handles the translation of information between the 64 bit OS and the 32 bit application.

 

For more details read - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/WoW64

Yes, although it should be noted that the major players like Google and others are actively killing off 32 Bit support.

 

At this point in time, the only reason I could see for keeping 32 Bit app support alive is because ARMv8 CPUs can't emulate x86-64.

 

That is slowly becoming less and less relevant as Microsoft is adding native ARM64 support to certain development frameworks/platforms.

 

If anybody is running Windows in 2018 with 2GB RAM or less then they should upgrade or replace the system and move on.

[Mira Yurizaki]

By default, 32-bit applications on Windows are limited to 2GB of user addressable space. If the application has been compiled with a flag, then that bumps up to 3GB for 32-bit Windows and the full 4GB in 64-bit Windows. Basically unless the application was compiled with said flag, the application can only use 2GB of memory before it crashes due to an "out of memory" error (well, it may not crash if it can handle it gracefully)

 

See: https://docs.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/desktop/memory/memory-limits-for-windows-releases

[WeedIsMySin]

3 minutes ago, M.Yurizaki said:

By default, 32-bit applications on Windows are limited to 2GB of user addressable space. If the application has been compiled with a flag, then that bumps up to 3GB for 32-bit Windows and the full 4GB in 64-bit Windows. Basically unless the application was compiled with said flag, the application can only use 2GB of memory before it crashes due to an "out of memory" error (well, it may not crash if it can handle it gracefully)

 

See: https://docs.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/desktop/memory/memory-limits-for-windows-releases

Soo, 2G of ram is the most my system uses for this game? Is there anything i can do to make this game use my systems recources to its fullest potential?

[Mira Yurizaki]

Just now, WeedIsMySin said:

Soo, 2G of ram is the most my system uses for this game? Is there anything i can do to make this game use my systems recources to its fullest potential?

No, because it's a compile-time thing. So unless you have access to the source code and the dev tools to recompile it, you're stuck with what you got.

[WeedIsMySin]

51 minutes ago, chiller15 said:

@bobbytommerson Whilst that information is correct for users running 32-bit versions of Windows, that is incorrect for @WeedIsMySin. They have a 64-bit OS, therefore can use the full 16GB of RAM.

 

64-bit Windows can run 32-bit applications. Company of Heroes 2 has been made as a 32-bit application, which is why it shows up like that in Task Manager.

Is there anything i can do to make the game use all of my systems recources?

 

[Master Disaster]

6 minutes ago, M.Yurizaki said:

By default, 32-bit applications on Windows are limited to 2GB of user addressable space. If the application has been compiled with a flag, then that bumps up to 3GB for 32-bit Windows and the full 4GB in 64-bit Windows. Basically unless the application was compiled with said flag, the application can only use 2GB of memory before it crashes due to an "out of memory" error (well, it may not crash if it can handle it gracefully)

 

See: https://docs.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/desktop/memory/memory-limits-for-windows-releases

There's a difference between reservable space and addressable space.

[TetraSky]

5 hours ago, AluminiumTech said:

If anybody is running Windows in 2018 with 2GB RAM or less then they should upgrade or replace the system and move on.

My Windows tablet only has 2GB of RAM... I can't upgrade it. But it does the job for what I need it for... as in never actually using it. (well, once every 6 months I may use it to read a book or something I guess...)

[LogicalDrm]

On 10/11/2018 at 2:33 PM, WeedIsMySin said:

Is there anything i can do to make the game use all of my systems recources?

 

Not really. If game is well optimized, it will use only the resources it needs and use them to fullest. As user you can only prioritize process to allow it to go in front of the process queue. However that shouldn't be issue as Windows prioritizes active window anyway.