Questions about overclockkng

[Kevij]

Hi i have some questions regarding Overclocking.

From what i read around the web, correct me if im wrong, Overclocking shortens the lifespan of the PC part as well as having some occasional 'lock up'(not sure what does this mean) and also voids warrenty.

 

1. So when should i actually overclock my PC? I saw two opinions on a website, overclock when your games fps are dropping and just overclock as CPU 3-4years later will become obeslete.

 

2.I bought my Ram with speed of 3133mhz if i remember correctly but the motherboard defaults it at 2133mhz. Should i change my ram speed? Will it be considered overclocking which voids warrentyl and shorten lifespan of the ram even though im setting it to the speed the ram is stated to have?

 

Specs:

OS: Win 10 Home 64bit

CPU: AMD Ryzen 5 1600

Motherboard: MSI Tomohawk Artic B350

Ram: 2x 8GB G.Skill Trident 3200mhz

Cooler: AMD Wraith Cooler

GPU: Asus GTX 1060 Dual OC Edition 6Ghz

PSU: Corsair AX750

Case: NZXT s340 elite

BIOS Version/Date    American Megatrends Inc. H.60, 7/27/2017

 

Thanks for the help

Edited September 22, 2018 by Kevij

[Jurrunio]

13 minutes ago, Kevij said:

Overclocking shortens the lifespan of the PC part

something like 20 years to 10 years, still plenty long.

 

14 minutes ago, Kevij said:

lock up'(not sure what does this mean)

simply means the PC freezes and stops responding.

 

14 minutes ago, Kevij said:

also voids warrenty.

On paper that is. In reality CPU manufacturer cant tell whether a CPU has been overclocked or not. Just dont tell them or tell them you didnt.

 

15 minutes ago, Kevij said:

1. So when should i actually overclock my PC?

When you want more performance from it. If it can satisfy your needs at stock, then there's no need to overclock.

 

16 minutes ago, Kevij said:

2.I bought my Ram with speed of 3133mhz if i remember correctly but the motherboard defaults it at 2133mhz. Should i change my ram speed? Will it be considered overclocking which voids warrentyl and shorten lifespan of the ram even though im setting it to the speed the ram is stated to have?

Just like CPU, dont tell them you've overclocked them. Not like they can prove it without you giving them evidence.

Also like CPU, overclock them if you want more performance.

 

When it comes to overclocking, as long as you dont shove more than 1.35V for the CPU and memory, you wont degrade them fast enough to be noticeable in their lifespan.

[PatXioPC]

33 minutes ago, Jurrunio said:

something like 20 years to 10 years, still plenty long.

 

Still, there are risks. Setting multiplier won't have to do anything with the chips longevity but dialing idiotic voltage does. Enough people have already degraded their cpu's electrical pathways when messing with the VDD Vcore already. People new to overclocking often make the mistake to do things the wrong way.

[Jurrunio]

18 minutes ago, PatXioPC said:

Still, there are risks. Setting multiplier won't have to do anything with the chips longevity but dialing idiotic voltage does. Enough people have already degraded their cpu's electrical pathways when messing with the VDD Vcore already. People new to overclocking often make the mistake to do things the wrong way.

I addressed voltage thing at the back

 

That's why I want the Athlon 200GE to be unlocked. New overclockers can practice on that cheap CPU, and lose little money for blowing it up.

[DocSwag]

17 minutes ago, PatXioPC said:

Still, there are risks. Setting multiplier won't have to do anything with the chips longevity but dialing idiotic voltage does. Enough people have already degraded their cpu's electrical pathways when messing with the VDD Vcore already. People new to overclocking often make the mistake to do things the wrong way.

Often you can get away with raising the multiplier a lot without increasing voltage because mobos often set voltage relatively aggressively at stock. For example, my 6700k was around 1.296v at stock 4.2 ghz; I found I could get 4.5 Ghz at 1.3v which isn't much of an increase. It might impact longevity a little bit due to increased current draw but only barely.

[PatXioPC]

4 minutes ago, DocSwag said:

Often you can get away with raising the multiplier a lot without increasing voltage because mobos often set voltage relatively aggressively at stock. For example, my 6700k was around 1.296v at stock 4.2 ghz; I found I could get 4.5 Ghz at 1.3v which isn't much of an increase. It might impact longevity a little bit due to increased current draw but only barely.

That's not the same for all chipsets. Many BIOS firmware do set the Vcore controller differently; some do exceed enough amount and some other do it idiotically. Now when you want to scale your clock as high as possible without increasing the voltage, that's a good thing because you wanna have your voltage as low as possible so it doesn't degrade as fast. 

Not chips can be the same because of different IV characteristics and beginnings.  

[Kevij]

8 hours ago, Jurrunio said:

something like 20 years to 10 years, still plenty long.

 

simply means the PC freezes and stops responding.

 

On paper that is. In reality CPU manufacturer cant tell whether a CPU has been overclocked or not. Just dont tell them or tell them you didnt.

 

When you want more performance from it. If it can satisfy your needs at stock, then there's no need to overclock.

 

Just like CPU, dont tell them you've overclocked them. Not like they can prove it without you giving them evidence.

Also like CPU, overclock them if you want more performance.

 

When it comes to overclocking, as long as you dont shove more than 1.35V for the CPU and memory, you wont degrade them fast enough to be noticeable in their lifespan.

Regarding the lockup, I assume its a normal occurrence that i can resolve by waiting or restarting my computer?

My computer is currently being diagnostic for some power issue , but as of what the repair shop says there's not issue. I'm planning to ask them to help me overclock judging that it doesn't look that bad to overclock. Is there anything i should tell them?

 

8 hours ago, PatXioPC said:

Still, there are risks. Setting multiplier won't have to do anything with the chips longevity but dialing idiotic voltage does. Enough people have already degraded their cpu's electrical pathways when messing with the VDD Vcore already. People new to overclocking often make the mistake to do things the wrong way.

Im planning to have my PC overclocked by someone that owns a local PC shop, I tried changing ram speed before but it didnt work so i dare not try 

[Jurrunio]

6 minutes ago, Kevij said:

Regarding the lockup, I assume its a normal occurrence that i can resolve by waiting or restarting my computer?

usually yes, but sometimes it's so bad that you need to rest CMOS (which removes all overclocks) in order for anything to show up again.

 

I'm against letting others do your overclock. You'll just panic if anything goes wrong, blaming people etc.

[PatXioPC]

2 minutes ago, Kevij said:

Im planning to have my PC overclocked by someone that owns a local PC shop, I tried changing ram speed before but it didnt work so i dare not try 

 

I highly doubt that PC Store owners know enough when it comes to overclocking, neither if do they even cared to overclock. Like generally, they don't need to get to know how to tweak clocks and stuff since most of their troubleshooting queue is regarding those things where most sellers are terrible at these because they aren't of that enthusiast. 

[Kevij]

7 hours ago, Jurrunio said:

usually yes, but sometimes it's so bad that you need to rest CMOS (which removes all overclocks) in order for anything to show up again.

 

I'm against letting others do your overclock. You'll just panic if anything goes wrong, blaming people etc.

Okay, how about changing just the ram speed cause the one i bought is 3133mhz but my motherboard sets its default to 2133mhz. I tried doing it myself before but either the PC does not boot past the bios or the values reset on my next boot

 

7 hours ago, PatXioPC said:

I highly doubt that PC Store owners know enough when it comes to overclocking, neither if do they even cared to overclock. Like generally, they don't need to get to know how to tweak clocks and stuff since most of their troubleshooting queue is regarding those things where most sellers are terrible at these because they aren't of that enthusiast. 

Oh i think i didn't explain the PC Store well enough, Its a store that sells individual PC Parts, helps to assemble repair and also overclock our PC. but from what @Jurrunio said its best if i did it myself instead of letting them do it.

If i was to do it myself i probably hold it off till next year or something as its quite inconvenient  for me to bring the whole PC to get it diagnosed if i fail to OC it properly

[Jurrunio]

7 minutes ago, Kevij said:

Okay, how about changing just the ram speed cause the one i bought is 3133mhz but my motherboard sets its default to 2133mhz. I tried doing it myself before but either the PC does not boot past the bios or the values reset on my next boot

You can, by enabling XMP / DOCP / AXMP (same thing different name). If it fails, try update the BIOS to the latest version and try again.

 

3 minutes ago, Kevij said:

as its quite inconvenient  for me to bring the whole PC to get it diagnosed if i fail to OC it properly

if the system fails to start after a bad overclock, just remove the circular battery on its surface for a minute, then put it back on. It should 'forget' the old settings and boot normally.

[Kevij]

4 minutes ago, Jurrunio said:

You can, by enabling XMP / DOCP / AXMP (same thing different name). If it fails, try update the BIOS to the latest version and try again.

 

if the system fails to start after a bad overclock, just remove the circular battery on its surface for a minute, then put it back on. It should 'forget' the old settings and boot normally.

I tried the XMP profile before but it didnt work, I try it again after updating my BIOS.

[PatXioPC]

9 minutes ago, Kevij said:

Oh i think i didn't explain the PC Store well enough, Its a store that sells individual PC Parts, helps to assemble repair and also overclock our PC. but from what @Jurrunio said its best if i did it myself instead of letting them do it.

If i was to do it myself i probably hold it off till next year or something as its quite inconvenient  for me to bring the whole PC to get it diagnosed if i fail to OC it properly

That's right. What you're left with is either you do it by yourself or find some individual enthusiast enough to know how to do it properly. Overclocking might sound troublesome and hard but in reality, it's very easy as long as you know what you're doing. You can find a ton of guides on the internet, and if you find the BIOS user interface confusing enough, you can probably find videos that show doing it with the same one or in your user manual.

[Kevij]

31 minutes ago, Jurrunio said:

You can, by enabling XMP / DOCP / AXMP (same thing different name). If it fails, try update the BIOS to the latest version and try again.

 

if the system fails to start after a bad overclock, just remove the circular battery on its surface for a minute, then put it back on. It should 'forget' the old settings and boot normally.

 

20 minutes ago, PatXioPC said:

That's right. What you're left with is either you do it by yourself or find some individual enthusiast enough to know how to do it properly. Overclocking might sound troublesome and hard but in reality, it's very easy as long as you know what you're doing. You can find a ton of guides on the internet, and if you find the BIOS user interface confusing enough, you can probably find videos that show doing it with the same one or in your user manual.

Would there be alot of issues happening after OC? From what i read online sometimes there will be occasional lock up. I'm also using the stock cooler from AMD Ryzen Wraith Spire, i don't think its good enough to cool the CPU right? 

[PatXioPC]

45 minutes ago, Kevij said:

Would there be alot of issues happening after OC?

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Depending on if you dialed in settings that is stable by your system. If you are going to overclock, you will face some good crashes because that's how you determine what your maximum limit is and that's normal. I guess no overclocker ever got away with absolutely no failure at their desirable preset, You will be scaling settings up as long as they don't render unstable and once you find out, put them down and you'll be good to go. 

 

45 minutes ago, Kevij said:

From what i read online sometimes there will be occasional lock up.

I'm pretty sure those articles don't mean that OVERCLOCKING regardless of any circumstances will have issues or if it did, that's pretty misleading. And to find out if your system is stable after you ride them on the new settings, do a stress test, blending ect. There are just so many tools to check these. Once you pass those tests and run some applications and you are comfortable, it's done - no need to worry. 

 

45 minutes ago, Kevij said:

I'm also using the stock cooler from AMD Ryzen Wraith Spire, i don't think its good enough to cool the CPU right? 

If you think you're using underpowered cooling solution, just don't go far. Probably sit with a relatively little-mid tweak up and it's respective voltage. As you upgrade with better ones, go ahead and crack up. 

[DocSwag]

7 hours ago, PatXioPC said:

That's not the same for all chipsets. Many BIOS firmware do set the Vcore controller differently; some do exceed enough amount and some other do it idiotically. Now when you want to scale your clock as high as possible without increasing the voltage, that's a good thing because you wanna have your voltage as low as possible so it doesn't degrade as fast. 

Not chips can be the same because of different IV characteristics and beginnings.  

Yeah, but nearly always the mobo sets the vcore pretty aggressively so almost always you can increase the clock speed, sometimes without even increasing the voltage, with only a negligible impact to longevity. What I'm trying to say is that OCing doesn't have to decrease the longevity.

7 hours ago, Kevij said:

Im planning to have my PC overclocked by someone that owns a local PC shop, I tried changing ram speed before but it didnt work so i dare not try 

Ryzen and RAM compatibility is a bit iffy. You should make sure to update your bios as that helps a bit; if you want to try getting it work turn on XMP and then try setting the memory frequency a bit lower than 3200 (e.g. 2933 MHz) and see if that works.

[Jurrunio]

8 hours ago, Kevij said:

 

Would there be alot of issues happening after OC? From what i read online sometimes there will be occasional lock up. I'm also using the stock cooler from AMD Ryzen Wraith Spire, i don't think its good enough to cool the CPU right? 

If you get issues after OC, then it's an OC done wrong. An OC done right should not have problems the system doesnt have at stock.

 

Wraith Spire is good enough. Many overclocked their 1600 on the smaller Wraith Stealth just fine