Will the i5 4570 bottleneck the GTX 1070Ti?

[Top-Hat Meerkat]

Hello,

 

I am hoping to upgrade my graphics card and found a good deal on a GTX 1070Ti mini. I currently have an i5 4570. If I keep the i5, will it bottleneck the GTX 1070Ti? 

Also, if you know, how does the GTX 1070Ti mini (the Zotac card) compare to other 1070Ti's as well as the 1070 and 1080?

 

Thanks

[Fasauceome]

You're good, that's a suitable combo.

 

The mini cards fare just about as well as standard cards, unless you overclock (and don't mind the accompanying noise of course)

[m0n4rchy]

3 minutes ago, Top-Hat Meerkat said:

Hello,

 

I am hoping to upgrade my graphics card and found a good deal on a GTX 1070Ti mini. I currently have an i5 4570. If I keep the i5, will it bottleneck the GTX 1070Ti? 

Also, if you know, how does the GTX 1070Ti mini (the Zotac card) compare to other 1070Ti's as well as the 1070 and 1080?

 

Thanks

What would you be using this system for? If for gaming, what resolution, framerate, and settings?

 

P.S, the 1070 Ti is not THE most powerful GPU out there, but it's decent. It sits between the 1070 and 1080, performance-wise.

 

P.P.S, if you bought it in the U.S, the Zotac 1080 Mini isn't much more.

[Clemens]

And also...it depends on the game and or application, the resolution, etc...

And at some point there is always something bottlenecking the other thing.

 

In fact is easy: are you happy with the current results? If not compare your scores with benchmarks on the internet with the same GPU, app and resolution...if your result is signifcantly less you can assume a CPU upgrade would probably help. (Oh and if you are happy with the current framerates then just don't worry be happy, even if there is a CPU bottleneck)

[BlueChinchillaEatingDorito]

4 minutes ago, m0n4rchy said:

P.S, the 1070 Ti ... sits between the 1070 and 1080, performance-wise.

Surprise surprise. 

[Top-Hat Meerkat]

On 9/21/2018 at 10:54 AM, m0n4rchy said:

What would you be using this system for? If for gaming, what resolution, framerate, and settings?

 

P.S, the 1070 Ti is not THE most powerful GPU out there, but it's decent. It sits between the 1070 and 1080, performance-wise.

 

P.P.S, if you bought it in the U.S, the Zotac 1080 Mini isn't much more.

I would mostly be using this system for gaming and flight simulation, as well as normal computing of course. Right now I've only got a 1080p display, so 1080p very high-ultra at 60fps would be what I'm aiming for right now, but I'm hoping to upgrade to a 1440p display eventually. Currently I have a GTX 960, so usually I can only play on 1080p high at 60fps (or 1080p very-high to ultra at 30fps) in most of the games I play.

 

I'm looking at used cards and am outside the US, and where I've been looking (mostly on Ebay) the difference between the 1070 and the 1070Ti isn't much but there seems to be a notable gap between the 1070Ti and the 1080. 

 

Thanks for the tips

[Top-Hat Meerkat]

24 minutes ago, Clemens said:

And also...it depends on the game and or application, the resolution, etc...

And at some point there is always something bottlenecking the other thing.

 

In fact is easy: are you happy with the current results? If not compare your scores with benchmarks on the internet with the same GPU, app and resolution...if your result is significantly less you can assume a CPU upgrade would probably help. (Oh and if you are happy with the current framerates then just don't worry be happy, even if there is a CPU bottleneck)

Ok, thanks. I'm not going to test the GPU before I know what to expect with my current CPU, but I can probably check that out to an extent online. It doesn't seem like the i5 will bottleneck the 1070Ti too much, so even if it's not the same performance as with an 8th gen i7 or something, I'd still be happy with it.

 

I'm not interested in RTX anyway - it's wayyyyyy too overpriced so far - so it'll likely be another few years before a better deal will come along regardless.

[Zeitec]

1 hour ago, Top-Hat Meerkat said:

Hello,

 

I am hoping to upgrade my graphics card and found a good deal on a GTX 1070Ti mini. I currently have an i5 4570. If I keep the i5, will it bottleneck the GTX 1070Ti? 

Also, if you know, how does the GTX 1070Ti mini (the Zotac card) compare to other 1070Ti's as well as the 1070 and 1080?

 

Thanks

Yes it will. It'll range from a small bottleneck in some games, to pretty brutal and in others. I had a 3570k @ 4.4ghz (comparable to 4570) with a 1080 (comparable to 1080) and some games stuttered so bad it was borderline unplayable, for example Gears of War 4. Others had a literal 0% performance uplift going from my 780ti to my 1080, for example Fallout 4. Others only had a minor, but still noticable bottleneck, for example Shadow of the Tomb Raider. Honestly, unless you upgrade to something like a 4790, the best graphics card I'd pair with your 4570 is a 1060 6gb. 

[Top-Hat Meerkat]

3 hours ago, Zeitec said:

Yes it will. It'll range from a small bottleneck in some games, to pretty brutal and in others. I had a 3570k @ 4.4ghz (comparable to 4570) with a 1080 (comparable to 1080) and some games stuttered so bad it was borderline unplayable, for example Gears of War 4. Others had a literal 0% performance uplift going from my 780ti to my 1080, for example Fallout 4. Others only had a minor, but still noticable bottleneck, for example Shadow of the Tomb Raider. Honestly, unless you upgrade to something like a 4790, the best graphics card I'd pair with your 4570 is a 1060 6gb. 

Hmmmm. How come some games were borderline unplayable? I understand that the bottleneck would cause the games to run slower than potentially possible but wouldn't a 3570k and 1080 to still push above 60fps? (And I'd definitely hope there's some uplift from a 960 to a 1070Ti...) I'm looking at 6GB GTX 1060's as well, and it seems compelling. However, I'm not sure if it'd be wiser to get the GTX 1070Ti for only about $100 more then upgrade my CPU later on if needed, or just to upgrade my whole system at once a year or two from now.

 

Thanks for the advice

[Zeitec]

13 hours ago, Top-Hat Meerkat said:

Hmmmm. How come some games were borderline unplayable? I understand that the bottleneck would cause the games to run slower than potentially possible but wouldn't a 3570k and 1080 to still push above 60fps? (And I'd definitely hope there's some uplift from a 960 to a 1070Ti...) I'm looking at 6GB GTX 1060's as well, and it seems compelling. However, I'm not sure if it'd be wiser to get the GTX 1070Ti for only about $100 more then upgrade my CPU later on if needed, or just to upgrade my whole system at once a year or two from now.

 

Thanks for the advice

It stuttered. So like the average framerate sat at around 60fps, but the .1% lows were like 20fps. That's what happens when you're CPU bottlenecked really hard. 

[kingmustard]

18 hours ago, Top-Hat Meerkat said:

Hello,

 

I am hoping to upgrade my graphics card and found a good deal on a GTX 1070Ti mini. I currently have an i5 4570. If I keep the i5, will it bottleneck the GTX 1070Ti? 

Also, if you know, how does the GTX 1070Ti mini (the Zotac card) compare to other 1070Ti's as well as the 1070 and 1080?

 

Thanks

It will.

 

Get an i7-6700K or something similar.

[Top-Hat Meerkat]

 

11 hours ago, kingmustard said:

It will.

 

Get an i7-6700K or something similar.

I don't have the money for one of them. I would have to upgrade my motherboard and RAM too. Do you recommend getting the GPU anyway then upgrading the CPU later on or is it not worth getting the GPU at all unless I had a better CPU already?

P.S. I was thinking of getting a Ryzen 5 2600. Do you think that'd be a good pairing with a 1070Ti?

[Top-Hat Meerkat]

11 hours ago, Zeitec said:

It stuttered. So like the average framerate sat at around 60fps, but the .1% lows were like 20fps. That's what happens when you're CPU bottlenecked really hard. 

Ok, I see. I don't think the .1% lows would be very noticeable but it's worth considering.

[kingmustard]

8 hours ago, Top-Hat Meerkat said:

 

I don't have the money for one of them. I would have to upgrade my motherboard and RAM too. Do you recommend getting the GPU anyway then upgrading the CPU later on or is it not worth getting the GPU at all unless I had a better CPU already?

P.S. I was thinking of getting a Ryzen 5 2600. Do you think that'd be a good pairing with a 1070Ti?

Your Core i5-4570 (LGA 1150) has a PassMark CPU score of 7,117.

 

You could upgrade to a quicker LGA 1150 CPU.

 

These are those:

• 11,183 - Core i7-4790K (£195 on eBay UK)
• 10,098 - Core i7-4770K (£160 on eBay UK)
• 9,991 - Core i7-4790 (£150 on eBay UK)
• 9,788 - Core i7-4770 (£125 on eBay UK)
• 7,795 - Core i5-4690K (£109 on eBay UK)
• 7,652 - Core i5-4690 (£80 on eBay UK)
• 7,632 - Core i5-4670K (£90 on eBay UK)
• 7,432 - Core i5-4670 (£80 on eBay UK)

You can sell your Core i5-4570 for around £73.

[Darkseth]

On 21.9.2018 at 12:59 AM, BlueChinchillaEatingDorito said:

Surprise surprise. 

To be fair, what kind of answer are you giving to people asking how much performance a 1070 ti has compared to a 1 step below 1070, and 1 step above 1080?

 

1 hour ago, kingmustard said:

Your Core i5-4570 (LGA 1150) has a PassMark CPU score of 7,117.

Except, passmark is entirely useless for anything Gaming related.

It's like posting a Cinebench benchmark. AMD FX CPUs for example also have nice points in Passmark. But in Games, they are garbage^^

 

Btw: i7 6700k is NOT compatible with his Motherboard. If he has to buy a completely new Motherboard, CPU and Ram, why would he buy an old 6th Gen? We have 8th gen on Intel, an Ryzen 2000s.

 

@Top-Hat Meerkat Does the i5 you have not deliver enough fps NOW?

If yes, it will deliver the same fps with a stronger Graphic Card.

If your CPU is NOT delivering enough fps for you, then the Graphic Card is not interesting in first place, because it's not the issue ;-)

 

If your Monitor has 60 Hz, and your CPU can always deliver 60 fps.. Perfect, more than 60 are useless anyway for how smooth the Game is perceived.

Imagine using very high settings and get your 60 fps easy.

 

Just look how your games run, how the GPU usage% is. If it has spare Performance, increase graphic settings. There is always a way to bring a GPU down to struggle ;-)

[kingmustard]

1 minute ago, Darkseth said:

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Btw: i7 6700k is NOT compatible with his Motherboard. If he has to buy a completely new Motherboard, CPU and Ram, why would he buy an old 6th Gen? We have 8th gen on Intel, an Ryzen 2000s.

 

 

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I never said it was compatible with his current motherboard.

[Darkseth]

But you never said it was NOT. And THIS is the main issue.

You said, he should get an i7 6700k "or something".

You never told him, that it will NOT fit on his Motherboard. He himself was smart enough to notice this Problem. If he had no knowledge about anything, he could've went to buy an i7 6700k, trying to fit it into his motherboard, and end up destroying it.

 

And like i said. Regardless, that recommendation was a really bad one, because either wise.. he will need a new Motherboard - and if he does, he should upgrade to a newer CPU.

 

Only way, an i7 6700k would be acceptable, if he buys the CPU + Motherboard + DDR4 Ram used as a cheap bundle for together <200 bucks or something like that - at least much cheaper than anything more modern.

[kingmustard]

20 minutes ago, Darkseth said:

But you never said it was NOT. And THIS is the main issue.

 

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Very fair point.