power supply

[Belbs]

what's a good non-modular, 80+ bronze power supply in the 500w-600w range with all black cables? all feedback is appreciated. thank you!

[voiha]

 

Seasonic M12II-620 EVO

[Belbs]

3 minutes ago, voiha said:

 

Seasonic M12II-620 EVO

thanks dude. but it's fully modular. is there any non-modular?

[Uptivuptiz]

Corsair CX550 550W is a good one  

[voiha]

30 minutes ago, Belbs said:

thanks dude. but it's fully modular. is there any non-modular?

Seasonic S12II 620W

 

26 minutes ago, Uptivuptiz said:

Corsair CX550 550W is a good one  

No. Avoid the CX series if you intend to any sort of gaming or strenuous rendering. They are office PSU's designed for light work loads. 

If you like going with Corsair, the HX series is a much better option.

[Belbs]

3 minutes ago, voiha said:

Seasonic S12II 620W

all black cables?

[seon123]

12 minutes ago, voiha said:

 

Seasonic M12II-620 EVO

 

3 minutes ago, voiha said:

Seasonic S12II 620W

If you're clueless, please avoid giving bad advice. The S12 II and M12 II are ancient, loud and lack protections. They are extremely rarely worth it.

3 minutes ago, voiha said:

No. Avoid the CX series if you intend to any sort of gaming or strenuous rendering. They are office PSU's designed for light work loads. 

If you like going with Corsair, the HX series is a much better option.

The grey label CX/M is much, much better than the S12 II/M12 II. It's fine for low-mid range PCs. And we don't know OP's specs, because noone as asked them, so we don't know what kind of PSUs would make sense.

[Firewrath9]

EVGA has some, why do you not want modular? BQ is pretty good.

[Belbs]

2 minutes ago, seon123 said:

 

If you're clueless, please avoid giving bad advice. The S12 II and M12 II are ancient, loud and lack protections. They are extremely rarely worth it.

The grey label CX/M is much, much better than the S12 II/M12 II. It's fine for low-mid range PCs. And we don't know OP's specs, because noone as asked them, so we don't know what kind of PSUs would make sense.

specs are Ryzen 5 1500x @ 3.7ghz, Sapphire Nitro Rx 480 4gb factory OC, with 500gb SSD, 1tb HDD, 4 fans, 8gb ram @ 2400mhz

[voiha]

1 minute ago, seon123 said:

If you're clueless, please avoid giving bad advice. The S12 II and M12 II are ancient, loud and lack protections. They are extremely rarely worth it.

5 minutes ago, voiha said:

What are you talking about ? Anicent ? Lack of protection ? They were Tier 2. He stated he wanted non modular so I commented that "Seasonic S12II 620W" IS non-modular. What's up with you and this attitude. CX better than seasonics S12 II  
Lemme pull some threads about your "good" CX Lineup

Example 1

Example 2

Example 3

[Uptivuptiz]

9 minutes ago, voiha said:

No. Avoid the CX series if you intend to any sort of gaming or strenuous rendering. They are office PSU's designed for light work loads. 

If you like going with Corsair, the HX series is a much better option.

Hm, interesting. I have a CX in my system... Normally I don't push it to the limit, but it's close. Haven't had any problems.

[voiha]

3 minutes ago, Uptivuptiz said:

Hm, interesting. I have a CX in my system... Normally I don't push it to the limit, but it's close. Haven't had any problems.

Yeah, they do the job, I'm not saying otherwise. It's just that it is stated in numerous articles, tests etc. That Corsair did a bad job with the CX for it's money pre-2017 model. But that guy @seon123 makes an uneducated comment which I don't like. Especially the 

 

12 minutes ago, seon123 said:

If you're clueless, please avoid giving bad advice. The S12 II and M12 II are ancient, loud and lack protections. They are extremely rarely worth it.

part, which grinded my gear.

[seon123]

6 minutes ago, Belbs said:

specs are Ryzen 5 1500x @ 3.7ghz, Sapphire Nitro Rx 480 4gb factory OC, with 500gb SSD, 1tb HDD, 4 fans, 8gb ram @ 2400mhz

So a good 400-450W is plenty. Depending on what's available and the pricing, Pure Power 10 400W, CX450/M, Vengenace 400W, Focus Gold 450W or Formula Gold 450W.

6 minutes ago, voiha said:

What are you talking about ? Anicent ? Lack of protection ? They were Tier 2. He stated he wanted non modular so I commented that "Seasonic S12II 620W" IS non-modular. What's up with you and this attitude. CX better than seasonics S12 II  
Lemme pull some threads about your "good" CX Lineup

Example 1

Example 2

Example 3

And how about some people that actually know what they're talking about, and aren't just the average clueless tomshardware user? Or literally any real evidence? Cybenetics has testing, Aris has testing.

Also, just check the protection chip in the S12 II, and when it launched. I don't care about the outdated, crappy PSU tier list on tomshardware.

 

Please, just stop, you're making my brain hurt with your incompetance.

[voiha]

26 minutes ago, seon123 said:

So a good 400-450W is plenty. Depending on what's available and the pricing, Pure Power 10 400W, CX450/M, Vengenace 400W, Focus Gold 450W or Formula Gold 450W.

And how about some people that actually know what they're talking about, and aren't just the average clueless tomshardware user? Or literally any real evidence? Cybenetics has testing, Aris has testing.

Also, just check the protection chip in the S12 II, and when it launched. I don't care about the outdated, crappy PSU tier list on tomshardware.

 

Please, just stop, you're making my brain hurt with your incompetance.

cringe.

[Stefan Payne]

1 hour ago, Belbs said:

what's a good non-modular, 80+ bronze power supply in the 500w-600w range with all black cables? all feedback is appreciated. thank you!

There are none!

As the price difference in manufacturing between 80plus Bronze and Gold is very slim and on the level of barely noticable, the problem is that the price difference between a good quality Bronze one and an entry level GOld one is very small and like 5€, maybe 10.

 

But for the +10€ you get a way better unit that can extend the Life of the Components. Like a Bitfenix Formula or for a bit more Cougar GX-F, Whisper M.

 

1 hour ago, voiha said:

Seasonic M12II-620 EVO

Why the hell are you recommending such ancient garbage?!
The S12-II was OKish 8 years ago when it came out, right now we have 8 Years later and haswell happened. And Kepler. And Maxwell. And Pascal. All those things made this PSU worse and worse.

 

But that's not the worst part. That is that the Fan of the PSU revs up to ~2000rpm at higher loads and that it doesn't have undervoltage detection on +12V, OVer Current on any rail!

That means if something goes wrong, the possibility of the component to catch fire is high.

 

So pls stop recommending such ancient shit, even if they come with "Wapanese" Capacitors that are made in china as everything else is.

[Stefan Payne]

1 hour ago, voiha said:

What are you talking about? Anicent?

Yes, the unit came out in 2010, we have 8 years later.

That's why its ancient and must not be recommended as it is not designed for the power consumption of modern components at all. Because at the time there wasn't even haswell.

 

Besides that, the thing you recommended regulates +5V and +12V together while the CX you said to not buy regulates +5V independently from the +12V load. So that alone tells you that the CX is better as you must not recommend a PSU without independent regulation today.

 

1 hour ago, voiha said:

Lack of protection?

Protection:

https://www.computerbase.de/2017-07/cooler-master-cougar-xfx-zalman-netzteil-test/3/#abschnitt_schutzschaltungen

 

XFX XT500 (zweite Revision) Is Seasonic S12II-Bronze based. And look at the Protection!
Its at 1,8V on 3,3V and 3,94V on +5V. At OPP Test they saw 8,7V on +12V, 3,3V on +12V and 2,6V on 3,3V.

You call that good? SRYSLY?!

 

Fan RPM:

https://www.computerbase.de/2017-07/cooler-master-cougar-xfx-zalman-netzteil-test/4/

 

1 hour ago, voiha said:

They were Tier 2.

Yes and they are not now for like a year or so because people brought up some evidence that the "Tier 2" was not deserved for this unit because of voltage regulation and lack of protection.

 

1 hour ago, voiha said:

He stated he wanted non modular so I commented that "Seasonic S12II 620W" IS non-modular. What's up with you and this attitude.

Hm, maybe it is because you recommended a unit that will cause problems, that is pretty bad and can even damage the hardware...

 

And we also have a Thread about this glorious unit:

 

1 hour ago, voiha said:

CX better than seasonics S12 II  

Yeah because its not hard to be better than S12II-Bronze these days as even HEC can do that as you see in the Link I've provided.

The Cougar VTX had better voltage regulation, working protection and stayed in spec in the Computerbase review while the unit you recommended failed in Crossload minor and went to 12,88V.

 

1 hour ago, voiha said:

Lemme pull some threads about your "good" CX Lineup

Example 1

Example 2

Example 3

Oh do you have some facts that provide any proof of the claim?

I provided some facts that speak against the Seasonic. What do you have? 

And we are talking about the new one that comes from Great Wall and uses the same Plattform as TX-M if you are lucky, if not its something like a CWT GPS based unit, though cheaper, both use independent voltage regulation though.

 

Oh wait, I have proof for what @seon123 is saying. Also from Tomshardware. You should maybe take a look at the Reviews:

 

https://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/corsair-cx450-psu,5678.html

[voiha]

2 minutes ago, Stefan Payne said:

Yes, the unit came out in 2010, we have 8 years later.

That's why its ancient and must not be recommended as it is not designed for the power consumption of modern components at all. Because at the time there wasn't even haswell.

 

Besides that, the thing you recommended regulates +5V and +12V together while the CX you said to not buy regulates +5V independently from the +12V load. So that alone tells you that the CX is better as you must not recommend a PSU without independent regulation today.

 

Protection:

https://www.computerbase.de/2017-07/cooler-master-cougar-xfx-zalman-netzteil-test/3/#abschnitt_schutzschaltungen

 

XFX XT500 (zweite Revision) Is Seasonic S12II-Bronze based. And look at the Protection!
Its at 1,8V on 3,3V and 3,94V on +5V. At OPP Test they saw 8,7V on +12V, 3,3V on +12V and 2,6V on 3,3V.

You call that good? SRYSLY?!

 

Fan RPM:

https://www.computerbase.de/2017-07/cooler-master-cougar-xfx-zalman-netzteil-test/4/

 

Yes and they are not now for like a year or so because people brought up some evidence that the "Tier 2" was not deserved for this unit because of voltage regulation and lack of protection.

 

Hm, maybe it is because you recommended a unit that will cause problems, that is pretty bad and can even damage the hardware...

 

And we also have a Thread about this glorious unit:

 

Yeah because its not hard to be better than S12II-Bronze these days as even HEC can do that as you see in the Link I've provided.

The Cougar VTX had better voltage regulation, working protection and stayed in spec in the Computerbase review while the unit you recommended failed in Crossload minor and went to 12,88V.

 

Oh do you have some facts that provide any proof of the claim?

I provided some facts that speak against the Seasonic. What do you have? 

And we are talking about the new one that comes from Great Wall and uses the same Plattform as TX-M if you are lucky, if not its something like a CWT GPS based unit, though cheaper, both use independent voltage regulation though.

 

Oh wait, I have proof for what @seon123 is saying. Also from Tomshardware. You should maybe take a look at the Reviews:

 

https://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/corsair-cx450-psu,5678.html

Nice rant

[awesomegamer919]

1 hour ago, voiha said:

Yeah, they do the job, I'm not saying otherwise. It's just that it is stated in numerous articles, tests etc. That Corsair did a bad job with the CX for it's money pre-2017 model. But that guy @seon123 makes an uneducated comment which I don't like. Especially the 

 

part, which grinded my gear.

A slight nitpick, the CXm grey label series, which is pretty decent for a budget unit, released in 2015, only the non-modular variant refreshed in 2017.

1 hour ago, voiha said:

cringe.

 

8 minutes ago, voiha said:

Nice rant

You aren't adding to the conversation here, and I've yet to see you link any real reviews from proper reviewers who know what they are talking about, you claim the CX550 is an office PSU and is not good but that the S12II *is* good, despite it's lack of protections and old, outdated topology (Half Bridge Group Regulated) whilst the CX uses a much more modern topology (Half Bridge LLC Resonant Conversion with Synchronous Rectification and DC-DC) and has working protections.

[voiha]

3 minutes ago, awesomegamer919 said:

A slight nitpick, the CXm grey label series, which is pretty decent for a budget unit, released in 2015, only the non-modular variant refreshed in 2017.

 

You aren't adding to the conversation here, and I've yet to see you link any real reviews from proper reviewers who know what they are talking about, you claim the CX550 is an office PSU and is not good but that the S12II *is* good, despite it's lack of protections and old, outdated topology (Half Bridge Group Regulated) whilst the CX uses a much more modern topology (Half Bridge LLC Resonant Conversion with Synchronous Rectification and DC-DC) and has working protections.

You're adding something new to the conversation ? Somebody else already explained that.

[STRMfrmXMN]

5 hours ago, voiha said:

What are you talking about ? Anicent ? Lack of protection ? They were Tier 2. He stated he wanted non modular so I commented that "Seasonic S12II 620W" IS non-modular. What's up with you and this attitude. CX better than seasonics S12 II  
Lemme pull some threads about your "good" CX Lineup

Example 1

Example 2

Example 3

The OLD CX was a group-regulated outdated low-temp tolerance mess. The new ones (2015 and 2017 units) are much better than the antiquated S12 and M12.

 

Standards change. Group-regulation means a PSU isn't Haswell compatible by electrical engineering definition. People shouldn't be using group-regulated units in modern systems. I am the author of our PSU tier list, in the event you want to check the list.

3 hours ago, voiha said:

Nice rant

You offer zero evidence and the advice you give is poor. I think he's justified in his rant. If you want to give bad advice to people buying stuff, go work in car sales for Fiat-Chrysler. Stefan and seon actually know what they're talking about here. If you kept yourself even remotely up to date with the market of PSUs, you'd realize we ditched the old CX series when Obama was still US president.

 

5 hours ago, Firewrath9 said:

EVGA has some, why do you not want modular? BQ is pretty good.

No it isn't.

 

5 hours ago, Belbs said:

what's a good non-modular, 80+ bronze power supply in the 500w-600w range with all black cables? all feedback is appreciated. thank you!

What are your system specs?

[awesomegamer919]

2 minutes ago, STRMfrmXMN said:

Group-regulation means a PSU isn't Haswell compatible by electrical engineering definition.

Not entirely true - you can get a group regulated PSU to be Haswell compliant, BeQuiet System Power L8 for example will not shut down nor go out of spec (though it's pushing it).

[seon123]

10 minutes ago, STRMfrmXMN said:

What are your system specs?

Here

5 hours ago, Belbs said:

specs are Ryzen 5 1500x @ 3.7ghz, Sapphire Nitro Rx 480 4gb factory OC, with 500gb SSD, 1tb HDD, 4 fans, 8gb ram @ 2400mhz

 

 

[STRMfrmXMN]

8 minutes ago, awesomegamer919 said:

Not entirely true - you can get a group regulated PSU to be Haswell compliant, BeQuiet System Power L8 for example will not shut down nor go out of spec (though it's pushing it).

Well, one example definitely doesn't offset the fact that most can't deal with the low-loads on the minor rails, but sure, I guess the one unit can be an exception

 

2 minutes ago, seon123 said:

Here

 

 

Thx

 

5 hours ago, Belbs said:

 

A Corsair CX450/CX450M would be fine for your rig. If you want a better unit then look for a Bitfenix Whisper/Formula Gold, Seasonic Focus Plus Gold, Corsair TXM, or Antec HCG Gold. EVGA has some good units too like the G2/G3.

 

450W is enough but some of those units only offer 550W as a minimum.

[OrionFOTL]

1 hour ago, awesomegamer919 said:

Not entirely true - you can get a group regulated PSU to be Haswell compliant, BeQuiet System Power L8 for example will not shut down nor go out of spec (though it's pushing it).

Have you seen any tests confirming that?

I only saw one review testing Haswell compatibility of Be Quiet Pure Power L8 500W, and it failed. https://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/beQuiet/PurePower_L8_500W/5.html

 

Edit: Misread "System Power" as "Pure Power". Did you see any legit tests of System Power 8 that confirm that?

[awesomegamer919]

3 hours ago, OrionFOTL said:

Have you seen any tests confirming that?

I only saw one review testing Haswell compatibility of Be Quiet Pure Power L8 500W, and it failed. https://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/beQuiet/PurePower_L8_500W/5.html

 

Edit: Misread "System Power" as "Pure Power". Did you see any legit tests of System Power 8 that confirm that?

https://hexus.net/tech/reviews/psu/57705-quiet-pure-power-l8-500w/?page=2

It gets close, but even with 12A on each minor rail and 0.1A on the 12V it *just* stays in spec.