Can I get away with a graphics card update?

[FourK]

I have a really really old computer with an i7 2600k and 8 gigs of ram on an ASRock Z68 Professional Gen.3 Fatal1ty Motherboard and I really want to get a 34 inch ultrawide monitor because i'm sick of looking at my 1680x1080 22 inch monitor.
I eventually decided on a Samsung C34 H890 34", I don't game but I would watch videos on it occasionally, I picked this one because i'd like to jump over 1920x1080 and 2560x1080 and go straight to 1440P on a curved ultrawide and couldn't find something that ticked all the boxes that wasn't something more made for gamers like the ASUS ROG Swift PG348Q.

What I can't figure out is whether or not it would be more worthwhile to buy a decent graphics card with the screen and plug it into my old computer, delaying a whole computer upgrade for a few more years or buy a whole new computer (budget would be about $2,300) immediately and run the new screen off of the internal GPU.

The graphics card I was looking at was the MSI GeForce GT1030 2GB because it supports 1440P ?

I've been agonizing over which screen to get, whether or not to buy a new computer, or to get the graphics card instead for almost a year and I just can't seem to figure out which way to go to get to upgrade to 1440P

[TechMasterMind]

3 minutes ago, FourK said:

I have a really really old computer with an i7 2600k and 8 gigs of ram on an ASRock Z68 Professional Gen.3 Fatal1ty Motherboard and I really want to get a 34 inch ultrawide monitor because i'm sick of looking at my 1680x1080 22 inch monitor.
I eventually decided on a Samsung C34 H890 34", I don't game but I would watch videos on it occasionally, I picked this one because i'd like to jump over 1920x1080 and 2560x1080 and go straight to 1440P on a curved ultrawide and couldn't find something that ticked all the boxes that wasn't something more made for gamers like the ASUS ROG Swift PG348Q.

What I can't figure out is whether or not it would be more worthwhile to buy a decent graphics card with the screen and plug it into my old computer, delaying a whole computer upgrade for a few more years or buy a whole new computer (budget would be about $2,300) immediately and run the new screen off of the internal GPU.

The graphics card I was looking at was the MSI GeForce GT1030 2GB because it supports 1440P ?

I've been agonizing over which screen to get, whether or not to buy a new computer, or to get the graphics card instead for almost a year and I just can't seem to figure out which way to go to get to upgrade to 1440P

MAAAAAN dont bash your rig, its sick!

And trust me the ROG swifts don't live up top the hype.

[Darkseth]

 Yes, you can.

 

Don't combine your GPU with your CPU, if you think about any Bottlenecks. they have nothing to do with each other (kinda, but lets say they don't for my point).

Ask yourself: Does your CPU deliver enough fps in your Games (in your desired settings)?

If it does, you do NOT need a CPU upgrade at all. Why not? Because it delivers enough fps. It doesn't matter which GPU you put in, it will not change how much fps your CPU "could" deliver.

Example: Your CPU always delivers 100+ fps, and that's fine for you. Your next 3440x1440 G-Sync monitor will have 100 Hz. More than 100 fps won't give you anything anyway. so there is no problem.

 

Now just get a GPU, that is able to deliver the fps in the resolution/Settings you use. What your CPU needs to calculate won't change if you go from 1680x1050 to 3440x1440.

 

But wait for the new RTX 2070, 2080, and 2080 ti (R = Raytraycing), they are supposed to launch this month. I wouldn't buy a GTX 10 series anymore at all.

 

But, you could even put a RTX 2080 or 2080 ti in it. Who cares if your CPU will slow it down by a few %, and your GPU only hits 90% usage instead 100%. You have enough fps, so you don't have a Problem^^

Once you upgrade the Rest of your System, you can just keep your GPU, so it's nothing wasted at all.

 

Remember: You can't get rid of a Bottleneck. you ALWAYS have a bottleneck with every thinkable Hardware configuration, an this will never Change.

No bottleneck = Unlimited fps. And unlimited fps are not possible^^

[Quadriplegic]

What kind of video card do you use at the moment? Dedicated or iGPU?

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With a bit of an overclock (4.5-ish GHz) that CPU can easily feed a 1060, probably even a 1070 and delay your upgrade for 2 or 3 more years.  As long as you aren't running a stock cooler, of course. 

 

For reference : I'm running an i5-2500 @4.1GHz (the highest that the 2500 non-K will go) in my secondary rig and found that one to be a little too weak for my ASUS 1060 3GB card.  Your 2600K has 4 more threads than my 2500 and is known to easily go past 4.5-4.6GHz.

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21 minutes ago, FourK said:

I have a really really old computer with an i7 2600k and 8 gigs of ram on an ASRock Z68 Professional Gen.3 Fatal1ty Motherboard and I really want to get a 34 inch ultrawide monitor because i'm sick of looking at my 1680x1080 22 inch monitor.
I eventually decided on a Samsung C34 H890 34", I don't game but I would watch videos on it occasionally, I picked this one because i'd like to jump over 1920x1080 and 2560x1080 and go straight to 1440P on a curved ultrawide and couldn't find something that ticked all the boxes that wasn't something more made for gamers like the ASUS ROG Swift PG348Q.

What I can't figure out is whether or not it would be more worthwhile to buy a decent graphics card with the screen and plug it into my old computer, delaying a whole computer upgrade for a few more years or buy a whole new computer (budget would be about $2,300) immediately and run the new screen off of the internal GPU.

The graphics card I was looking at was the MSI GeForce GT1030 2GB because it supports 1440P ?

I've been agonizing over which screen to get, whether or not to buy a new computer, or to get the graphics card instead for almost a year and I just can't seem to figure out which way to go to get to upgrade to 1440P

If you have the budget, maybe upgrading everything at once may be a good idea. But for now, I'd suggest getting a good AIO(if you don't already have) and overclock the cpu(if you don't already have). Then, wait a month or so for the new RTX 2070(or wait till 20 august 2018 for the RTX 2080) to come out, then get that and you'll be set. After a while you might have to upgrade the CPU though(which means you have to upgrade the MOBO to one that supports the cpu and the RAM to ddr4)

[Quadriplegic]

What's up with people talking about getting 1070 or 2070 if all he wants to do is to watch videos? He said he is not gaming... What the hell?

 

[FourK]

@TechMasterMind I'm so glad to hear it, I keep feeling bad that I can't afford the Swift in my budget lol
 
@Darkseth Awesome! I didn't want to spend the money to buy a new computer now anyway! Would you recommend the RTX cards even if I was only going for a budget option? I don't game at all so I reckon that means a budget card would be okay for me?

@QuadriplegicI currently use the integrated graphics on my motherboard for both my HD TV and 1680x1080 monitor. I had a 1gb Graphics card but the fan died and I didn't know it so the card stopped working after that.

@Captain ChaosI have the Noctua D 14 cooler, I think it was the best non water one I could find at the time, I messed with the overclock once and could go up to 4GHz, I didn't want to use a boatload of power though because I use my computer all the time so I dropped it back to stock. I have a 750 watt power supply which should be enough.

@_d0nut I do have a good AIO, it's the Noctua D14 but I would love to upgrade my motherboard CPU and ram, would overclocking the CPU make the integrated graphics work better?
 

[Quadriplegic]

@FourK
Yep, getting 1030 is a good solution in that case, it will do just fine for video output.

 

[Jurrunio]

Cards as old as Geforce 600 series or Radeon HD6000 series with Displayport output have DP1.2 which supports 100Hz on that resolution. Basically means any graphics card that's not low end back when they are new or ancient will work.

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5 minutes ago, FourK said:

I messed with the overclock once and could go up to 4GHz, I didn't want to use a boatload of power though because I use my computer all the time so I dropped it back to stock.

As long as Speedstep is enabled in the BIOS the CPU will clock back down when it's not having to work hard.  So it'll only draw that power when needed. 

 

@Jurrunio how balanced is the rig in your signature?  Is your 2600K bottlenecking your 1070? 

[Jurrunio]

23 minutes ago, Captain Chaos said:

 

@Jurrunio how balanced is the rig in your signature?  Is your 2600K bottlenecking your 1070? 

just fine. CPU and GPU bottlenecks both occur in different games.

[Darkseth]

3 hours ago, FourK said:

@Darkseth Awesome! I didn't want to spend the money to buy a new computer now anyway! Would you recommend the RTX cards even if I was only going for a budget option? I don't game at all so I reckon that means a budget card would be okay for me?
 

Probably not, because they will most likely launch the 2070 and 2080  first, 2060 might come later on, and 2080 ti also (or maybe early too?!).

2070 will for sure not start below 500€, maybe even 550-600?!

Nvidia has the best GPUs right now, and most people buy nvidia. If they bring something even better, with dedicated Raytracing cores... they might let that be payd well.

 

If you don't want to spend 500 or even 400 bucks, and want a Budget solution (1080p @ 60 fps Lock target with ultra, or slightly reduced High settings), a GTX 1060 or RX 580 (if Freesync) is perfectly valid still today.

But i think, the GTX 2060 might be interesting. I just hope, it doesn't come with 5gb Vram... That's not really enough for the performance it will probably offer

[FourK]

On 8/20/2018 at 2:10 AM, Darkseth said:

Probably not, because they will most likely launch the 2070 and 2080  first, 2060 might come later on, and 2080 ti also (or maybe early too?!).

2070 will for sure not start below 500€, maybe even 550-600?!

Nvidia has the best GPUs right now, and most people buy nvidia. If they bring something even better, with dedicated Raytracing cores... they might let that be payd well.

 

If you don't want to spend 500 or even 400 bucks, and want a Budget solution (1080p @ 60 fps Lock target with ultra, or slightly reduced High settings), a GTX 1060 or RX 580 (if Freesync) is perfectly valid still today.

But i think, the GTX 2060 might be interesting. I just hope, it doesn't come with 5gb Vram... That's not really enough for the performance it will probably offer

Would that be sufficient to run an ultrawide at 3440 by 1440 and another 1080p monitor?
I don't really understand what I would do that would really tax a graphics card heavily so I can't figure out what I would need that would be sufficient.

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for your purpose, any low end and not too old will do, GTX950 / RX550

[JJ48_24]

I would get an evga b stock 1050ti $110. Very good midrange option

https://www.evga.com/products/product.aspx?pn=04G-P4-6255-RX

[Darkseth]

On 30.8.2018 at 1:37 AM, FourK said:

Would that be sufficient to run an ultrawide at 3440 by 1440 and another 1080p monitor?
I don't really understand what I would do that would really tax a graphics card heavily so I can't figure out what I would need that would be sufficient.

Wait a second... Sorry, my bad.....

Over-read that you're not doing any gaming x__x" lol.

 

Well, right, for only THIS, and Videos etc, even a GT 1030 (Even passive models for zero Noise) are perfectly fine for this, since this already does support 7680 x 4320 @ 60Hz (that's 8k).

If you want a little tiny bit more... GTX 1050 is also perfectly fine, since it delivers a good bit more performance, but sometimes doesn't cost that much more. If you pay 10-20 bucks more for a 1050 instead 1030, get it. Better have the additional performance, than need it in the future sometime.

 

But at the very least, i would prefer a modern GT 1030 over any older model - because it offers all the modern features you want today, at the lowest possible power consumption. Much lower than AMD GPUs - But the RX 550~ for example, is also perfectly fine.

[FourK]

Is this considered a modern 1030?

Would it be able to do 100hz?