Stream Specs?

[DirtyKeyboard]

Here are my current specs:

Intel Core i5-7600k

8GB DDR4 HyperX Fury Black RAM

GTX 1060 3GB

500W Silver EVGA PSU

MSI B250M PRO-VD Motherboard

 

Internet [from speedtest.net]

Ping: 9ms

Download: 241.13 mbps

Upload: 11.73 mbps

 

I want to stream ATLEAST 720p60 smooth, but 1080p60 would be amazing, should I buy a dedicated streaming box, or upgrade, and if so, what should I upgrade to? Any help at all is appreciated!

Sidenote; If you want to request upgrading to an AMD CPU because you think it's a good option, go right ahead, I wouldn't mind!

[WereCatf]

If you use NVENC, ie. the NVIDIA hardware-encoder, even your current specs can stream just fine.

[DirtyKeyboard]

1 minute ago, WereCatf said:

If you use NVENC, ie. the NVIDIA hardware-encoder, even your current specs can stream just fine.

Would I be able to run 1080p60, or 720p60?

[Streetguru]

8 minutes ago, DirtyKeyboard said:

 

Just use NVENC or Shadowplay *Don't ask just try it, if you're streaming to twitch you'll have limited bandwidth anyways.

 

Or if you just want 8 cores grab an R7 1700 they're like $200-220 right now, plus like $81 for an ASrock B450 Pro 4

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Just now, DirtyKeyboard said:

Would I be able to run 1080p60, or 720p60?

Processing power-wise, it shouldn't really matter.  The demand is in rendering the game and I assume you'll be playing in 1080.  For it to encode that, vs encode and scale it down, I doubt you'll notice any difference.  Internet would be your main limitation but I think you've got enough for 1080p60.

 

[WereCatf]

Just now, DirtyKeyboard said:

Would I be able to run 1080p60, or 720p60?

The H/W-encoder doesn't care, either way. Does your game run at 60FPS in 1080p? If yes, then you can.

[Jurrunio]

Hard to say since NVENC encoder's quality to bitrate scaling isnt very good. 720p 60fps is fine, but I'm afraid that 1080p 60fps streaming will overwhelm your internet upload speed.

[DirtyKeyboard]

1 minute ago, Ryan_Vickers said:

Processing power-wise, it shouldn't really matter.  Internet would be your main limitation but I think you've got enough for 1080p60.

 

Why is my internet bad I thought it was good.

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Just now, DirtyKeyboard said:

Why is my internet bad I thought it was good.

No it's not bad, I just mean that upload speed would be more likely to cause a problem than ability to encode, and it would matter more when considering the difference between 720p60 and 1080p60

[DirtyKeyboard]

Just now, Ryan_Vickers said:

No it's not bad, I just mean that upload speed would be more likely to cause a problem than ability to encode, and it would matter more when considering the difference between 720p60 and 1080p60

Can I play with my internet router settings to try and get a better upload speed? I did that for my old internet and it worked by disabling QoS.

[DirtyKeyboard]

1 minute ago, Ryan_Vickers said:

No it's not bad, I just mean that upload speed would be more likely to cause a problem than ability to encode, and it would matter more when considering the difference between 720p60 and 1080p60

I'm fine streaming on 720p60 as long as it's good quality and it won't make me lag in my games.

[WereCatf]

1 minute ago, Jurrunio said:

Hard to say since NVENC encoder's quality to bitrate scaling isnt very good. 720p 60fps is fine, but I'm afraid that 1080p 60fps streaming will overwhelm your internet upload speed.

That's not how it works. Whether the stream will "overwhelm his internet upload speed" depends on the bitrate that was set, not the resolution. You can saturate the bandwidth even with a 480p stream, if you set bitrate to 40Mbps, and you can stream 4K at 200FPS and set the bitrate to 200Kbps -- it'll just look like shit. It's the bitrate that determines how much bandwidth it takes.

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Just now, DirtyKeyboard said:

Can I play with my internet router settings to try and get a better upload speed? I did that for my old internet and it worked by disabling QoS.

Probably not, but like I said I think your connection should be fine for the full 1080p60.  Give it a test run though before going into "production"

[DirtyKeyboard]

4 minutes ago, WereCatf said:

The H/W-encoder doesn't care, either way. Does your game run at 60FPS in 1080p? If yes, then you can.

Can you link me to a video on how to enable NVENC, or tell me how to enable it please? Using streamlabs obs.

[Streetguru]

Just now, DirtyKeyboard said:

Can you link me to a video on how to enable NVENC, or tell me how to enable it please? Using streamlabs obs.

Just change the X264 setting to NVENC

[DirtyKeyboard]

2 minutes ago, Ryan_Vickers said:

Probably not, but like I said I think your connection should be fine for the full 1080p60.  Give it a test run though before going into "production"

I did, and I lagged, I was on 720p60, using NVENC, bitrate was set to 2500.

I even tried 720p30, still lagging.

[DirtyKeyboard]

Just now, Streetguru said:

Just change the X264 setting to NVENC

Thanks, I got it.

[WereCatf]

Just now, DirtyKeyboard said:

I'm fine streaming on 720p60 as long as it's good quality and it won't make me lag in my games.

Twitch, for example, recommends a 6Mbps bitrate maximum and since you have 10Mbps+ you should be fine. Whether the quality is up to your standards is a matter of taste, however -- if you want better quality, you can later on upgrade your system or get another PC to do the encoding for you, but for now, you can simply try how it looks to you when using NVENC. I mean, do you lose anything if you give it a try?

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1 minute ago, DirtyKeyboard said:

Can you link me to a video on how to enable NVENC, or tell me how to enable it please?

That would depend on the software you're using.  In OBS, it's under the "encoder" dropdown under "Output"

 

 

I have an AMD card but you'll see your nvidia option there.

[DirtyKeyboard]

1 minute ago, WereCatf said:

Twitch, for example, recommends a 6Mbps bitrate maximum and since you have 10Mbps+ you should be fine. Whether the quality is up to your standards is a matter of taste, however -- if you want better quality, you can later on upgrade your system or get another PC to do the encoding for you, but for now, you can simply try how it looks to you when using NVENC. I mean, do you lose anything if you give it a try?

I tried it and I was lagging in my games a lot.

[WereCatf]

Just now, DirtyKeyboard said:

I tried it and I was lagging in my games a lot.

You said you tried x264. Did you try NVENC?

[Jurrunio]

5 minutes ago, WereCatf said:

That's not how it works. Whether the stream will "overwhelm his internet upload speed" depends on the bitrate that was set, not the resolution. You can saturate the bandwidth even with a 480p stream, if you set bitrate to 40Mbps, and you can stream 4K at 200FPS and set the bitrate to 200Kbps -- it'll just look like shit. It's the bitrate that determines how much bandwidth it takes.

That's not what I meant. What I'm trying to say is that bitrate needed for good looking 1080p 60fps streaming could need a bitrate higher than the upload speed, because NVENC encoder doesnt compres files well, i.e. incapable of giving good quality in a small-enough size

[DirtyKeyboard]

Just now, WereCatf said:

You said you tried x264. Did you try NVENC?

Both. Both made my game lag, which made my stream lag.

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1 minute ago, DirtyKeyboard said:

I did, and I lagged, I was on 720p60, using NVENC, bitrate was set to 2500.

I even tried 720p30, still lagging.

And you confirmed that the local recording was fine?  Just need to make sure you know where the issue is - actually recording, or just uploading.  If it really is an upload issue, that's strange, I can't imagine why.  You weren't trying to watch the stream while you were uploading were you?  I would stream then watch the recording on Twitch's servers.  That said, you should be able to watch it at the same time without issue but you never know...

[WereCatf]

Just now, Jurrunio said:

That's not what I meant. What I'm trying to say is that bitrate needed for good looking 1080p 60fps streaming could need a bitrate higher than the upload speed, because NVENC encoder doesnt compres files well, i.e. incapable of gicing good quality in a small-enough size

Eh, 6Mbps bitrate 1080p60-stream with NVENC looks quite acceptable to me. The OP claims he has 10Mbps+ bandwidth, so 6Mbps-stream should be fine. Also, like I said, whether it looks good to his eye or not is up to his tastes.